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Posted: 8/6/2005 7:41:00 AM EDT
The NCAA has now banned all deplictions of native Americans. Will they ban the Irish next? PC out of control.

INDIANAPOLIS (Aug. 5) - Fed up with what it considers "hostile" and "abusive" American Indian nicknames, the NCAA announced Friday it would shut those words and images out of postseason tournaments, a move that left some school officials angry and threatening legal action.

Starting in February, any school with a nickname or logo considered racially or ethnically "hostile" or "abusive" by the NCAA would be prohibited from using them in postseason events. Mascots will not be allowed to perform at tournament games, and band members and cheerleaders will also be barred from using American Indians on their uniforms beginning in 2008.

Major college football teams are not subject to the ban because there is no official NCAA tournament.

Affected schools were quick to complain, and Florida State - home of the Seminoles - threatened legal action.

"That the NCAA would now label our close bond with the Seminole people as culturally 'hostile and abusive' is both outrageous and insulting," Florida State president T.K. Wetherell said in a statement.

"I intend to pursue all legal avenues to ensure that this unacceptable decision is overturned, and that this university will forever be associated with the 'unconquered' spirit of the Seminole Tribe of Florida," he added.

The committee also recommended that schools follow the examples of Wisconsin and Iowa by refusing to schedule contests against schools that use American Indian nicknames.

While NCAA officials admit they still can't force schools to change nicknames or logos, they are making a statement they believe is long overdue. Eighteen mascots, including Florida State's Seminole and Illinois' Illini, were on the list of offenders.

Those schools will not be permitted to host future NCAA tournament games, and if events have already been awarded to those sites, the school must cover any logos or nicknames that appear.

NCAA Mascot Controversy

"Certainly some things remain to be answered from today, and one of those things is the definition of what is 'hostile or abusive,"' said Tom Hardy, a spokesman at Illinois.

The NCAA did not give a clear answer on that.

President Myles Brand noted that some schools using the Warrior nickname will not face sanctions because they do not use Indian symbols. One school, North Carolina-Pembroke - which uses the nickname Braves - will also be exempted because Brand said the school has historically had a high percentage of students, more than 20 percent, who are American Indians.

"We believe hostile or abusive nicknames are troubling to us and it can't continue," committee chairman Walter Harrison said. "We're trying to send a message, very strongly, saying that these mascots are not appropriate for NCAA championships."

The decision, however, quickly evoked passions and complaints from both sides.

At Florida State, Wetherell said the NCAA was trying to embarrass the school for using its nickname, even though the Seminole Tribe of Florida has given the university permission to continue using it.

"Other Seminole tribes are not supportive," said Charlotte Westerhaus, the NCAA vice president for diversity and inclusion.

Supporters also were unhappy.

Schools Subject to Ban

· Alcorn State (Braves)
· Central Michigan (Chippewas)
· Catawba College (Indians)
· Florida State (Seminoles)
· Midwestern State (Indians)
· Utah (Utes)
· Indiana (Pa.) (Indians)
· Carthage College (Redmen)
· Bradley (Braves)
· Arkansas State (Indians)
· Chowan College (Braves)
· Illinois-Champaign (Illini)
· Louisiana-Monroe (Indians)
· McMurry University (Indians)
· Mississippi College (Choctaws)
· Newberry College (Indians)
· North Dakota (Fighting Sioux)
· SE Oklahoma State (Savages)

Vernon Bellecourt, president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media and a member of the Anishinabe-Ojibwe Nation in Minnesota, approved of the ban but had hoped the NCAA would take even stronger action.

"We're not so happy about the fact that they didn't make the decision to ban the use of Indian team names and mascots," he said.

Harrison, president at the University of Hartford, said the executive committee does not have the authority to do that, and schools can still appeal their inclusion on the list.

Brand and Harrison said they hoped school officials would pursue policy changes through the NCAA first, before going to court.

"I suspect that some of those would like to having a ruling on that," Brand said. "But unless there is a change before Feb. 1, they will have to abide by it."

Two years ago, the NCAA recommended schools determine for themselves whether Indian depictions were offensive.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

But that hasn't changed opinions on either side.

"They're not willing to give up this money," Bellecourt said, referring to merchandising revenue. "We would hope that it (the decision) was the handwriting on the wall that would urge them to drop these team names and mascots."

In other actions, the executive committee approved:

Imposing stronger penalties for schools that fall well below the NCAA's new academic scoring system. Harrison said teams would receive a warning letter the first year; restrictions on scholarships, recruiting and playing time the second year; and a postseason ban the third year. If a school fails to meet the standard four consecutive years, all teams at that school would be ineligible for postseason play.

Rewarding schools that perform consistently well in the classroom with public recognition and additional money. Schools that make significant improvements may also be singled out for recognition.

Not penalizing schools for athletes who leave when circumstances are deemed beyond the control of the athlete or school. Included among the measure would be the dropping of programs or majors, or the death of a family member. Departures because of coaching changes would not be included. Schools could also salvage one point in the new academic measurement if underclassmen are academically eligible when they are drafted and would receive a bonus point if an underclassmen returned to complete his or her degree.

A two-year contract extension for Brand. His deal was to run through Dec. 31, 2007 and now includes an indefinite two-year rollover.

Recommended schools re-examine their policies regarding alcohol sales and advertising.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 7:45:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2005 7:46:30 AM EDT by TheRedHorseman]
last I checked most Irish were white, so its perfectly ok to make fun of them

I would love for the seminoles to become the Florida Honkeys or Florida Crackers just to make a point
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:19:57 AM EDT
I doubt it. Us Irish tend to retain a sense of humour and perspective.

I can't speak for the Americans who think they're Irish though.

Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:42:27 AM EDT
The irony is these names saluted the Indians, not bashed them. If it was about bashing, we would see names like Fighting Nazis and such.

Indian names on sports teams was on of the last places their heritage was honored. With this ruling, the extermination of the existence of the Indian is all but complete to the next generation of Americans.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:42:30 AM EDT
Florida State is always in the top 20, usually in the top 10. They should keep playing and ignore the NCAA. If the NCAA tries to cut them out of the finals, they should schedule it's own bowl. With their rankings it'll still be on TV.

It might even start a "Seminole Bowl".

Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:47:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
The committee also recommended that schools follow the examples of Wisconsin and Iowa by refusing to schedule contests against schools that use American Indian nicknames.

Wow. Missed the gem on the first pass. Good thing the schools inside the State of Oklahoma does not have that policy, almost nobody would be able to play anybody else.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:53:00 AM EDT
Grandad Reilly always did say that an Irishman was just a ------ turned inside out.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 9:22:40 PM EDT
As an Indian, I don't really care for "Savages." The rest I really don't give a fuck about. We all have much more important things to worry about.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 9:24:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Seneca-Cayuga:
As an Indian, I don't really care for "Savages." The rest I really don't give a fuck about. We all have much more important things to worry about.

1/2 osage and hear you. Life long Redskins fan I see nothing but respect for my team.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 9:25:59 PM EDT
We don't want no damn IRSIH!!!
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 9:26:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
I doubt it. Us Irish tend to retain a sense of humour and perspective.



Link Posted: 8/6/2005 9:27:21 PM EDT
I had a freind in the Army..Mike Burns. HE was 1/2 Polish and, 1/2 Irish. He used to say he liked to get drunk and, fight with himself
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