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Posted: 9/21/2004 6:28:48 AM EST
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:31:16 AM EST
They're not Vikings dude.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:31:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 6:38:04 AM EST by Happyshooter]
They go to supply for reissue, maintenance, or DRMO (trash sales).
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:36:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



If they were, there would be an awful lot of grave robbing going on. I would hate to disturb the grave of a veteran, but if he is buried with a Thompson and a WWII .45 auto, I would be mighty tempted.....

Fraid not.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:36:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?


You're what, ten, eleven years old?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 6:52:16 AM EST
Man, that'd be horrible if they were buried with their rifles and ammo. It'd make a [Censored Z-Word] scenario a lot more problematic.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:01:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By gunman0:
Man, that'd be horrible if they were buried with their rifles and ammo. It'd make a [Censored Z-Word] scenario a lot more problematic.



Word. Armed Zombies? Armed with full auto weapons cooler than our guns? That would suck.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:05:05 AM EST
Zombies have terrible marksmanship skills.
They can't clear a jammed or malfunctioning weapon.
They never team up to man "crew serveds".
Their Zombie fingers can't load mags.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:08:09 AM EST
I decided long ago I wanted to be buried Viking style. Wearing my BDU's, loaded AR and 12 loaded mags, LBE and helmet between my feet, pistol and mags, my trusty knife and a pocket full of silver coins for ther gatekeeper to the next world.

The main problem is getting the slimeballs at the cemetary to not rob me in my rest, so calling all the s/ns in as stolen after the service was an idea and having my box welded shut was another. I figured in a thousand years when they did everything up and find me they will think I was a frigging king and put me on display.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:12:39 AM EST
Soldiers, no. Cops often are.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:19:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By lonegunman:
I decided long ago I wanted to be buried Viking style. Wearing my BDU's, loaded AR and 12 loaded mags, LBE and helmet between my feet, pistol and mags, my trusty knife and a pocket full of silver coins for ther gatekeeper to the next world.

The main problem is getting the slimeballs at the cemetary to not rob me in my rest, so calling all the s/ns in as stolen after the service was an idea and having my box welded shut was another. I figured in a thousand years when they did everything up and find me they will think I was a frigging king and put me on display.



LOL
I have it in my will I'm to be buried wearing jungle boots, with a bag of silver coins in my pocket, my Enfield and four bandoleers of .303, and a Kabar.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:22:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By natez:
Soldiers, no. Cops often are.




Are K9's buried with their food dish?


Sgtar15
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:23:35 AM EST
Being in Iraq I've had to confront the issue of my final arrangements. I told my folks to cremate me, but after reading these posts I have to give this some more thought.

Actually, I did want the true Viking style burial of being on a boat/ship that was set afire. I figured the trustees of my gun club wouldn't want my charred bones in the "lake" of the gun club though.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:28:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 7:30:42 AM EST by Epsilon]

You're what, ten, eleven years old?


Your a funny little fucker arnt you.

I was asking because I often see WWII pictures of soldiers graves marked by having their rifles stuck into the ground with their helmet mounted atop it. So thats where the idea came from.

I think it would be an honorable practice.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:40:45 AM EST
I would rather pass my M-16 on to a surviving soldier if I got whacked, that way the next guy could smoke the fucking rag head that got me!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:50:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:53:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:57:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.



Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:02:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.




Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:03:11 AM EST
probably 8 or 9, a 10 year old should be able to spell and use you're and aren't correctly.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:16:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By gunman0:
Man, that'd be horrible if they were buried with their rifles and ammo. It'd make a [Censored Z-Word] scenario a lot more problematic.



Gahhhh !!! perish the thought*shudders*

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:24:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 8:29:26 AM EST by Epsilon]

probably 8 or 9, a 10 year old should be able to spell and use you're and aren't correctly.


I forgot the "E"! How the fuck could I have been so stupid! PLEASE I beg you to forgive me mr. spelling nazi, PLEASE!!!! I will never forget the "E" again, I SWEAR!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:31:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Zombies have terrible marksmanship skills.
They can't clear a jammed or malfunctioning weapon.
They never team up to man "crew serveds".
Their Zombie fingers can't load mags.



Damn, I hope you're right - I sincerely hope you're right .
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:33:56 AM EST
Putting on my asbestos underwear, because I smell a flame war.

And what the heck, just to add fuel to the fire:





Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:59:53 AM EST
That's Nazi with a capital "N" goober. Violating Goodwin's Law and at your tender age. Tsk Tsk


Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:02:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.



Oh yeah? Try burying the Captain of an aircraft carrier!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:03:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Putting on my asbestos underwear, because I smell a flame war.

And what the heck, just to add fuel to the fire:

www.mahopa.de/bilder/lustige-forenbilder/this-thread-is-gay.jpg






Beer flies out of my nose! DAMN that's hysterical!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:05:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:

You're what, ten, eleven years old?


Your a funny little fucker arnt you.

I was asking because I often see WWII pictures of soldiers graves marked by having their rifles stuck into the ground with their helmet mounted atop it. So thats where the idea came from.

I think it would be an honorable practice.



It would be a stupid, wasteful practice. They are (usually) buried with the things they earned; insignia, medals, etc., not the tools of their trade.

Also, you might be interested to know that the "funny little fucker" is a highly-respected member of this board. Who are you?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:07:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
probably 8 or 9, a 10 year old should be able to spell and use you're and aren't correctly.



And capitalize the beginning of sentences.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:34:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.



Oh yeah? Try burying the Captain of an aircraft carrier!



That's easy, they're buried at sea. Just poke a hole in the bottom of the ship and your done. Its the survivors that have to swim back that have the tough part.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 9:46:02 AM EST
on a related note, how do they bury people at sea? Ever try to dig a hole in the ocean? Damn.....
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 10:08:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By TimJ:
on a related note, how do they bury people at sea? Ever try to dig a hole in the ocean? Damn.....




you have to use a Water-Pic...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 11:23:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 11:26:08 AM EST by Epsilon]

It would be a stupid, wasteful practice. They are (usually) buried with the things they earned; insignia, medals, etc., not the tools of their trade.

Also, you might be interested to know that the "funny little fucker" is a highly-respected member of this board. Who are you?




Read the Rifle Creed, smartass. And tell me if you still think it would be a stupid practice.
Highly-respected? What has he done thats so respectable? He hasnt earned my respect as many other members of this board have.



RIFLE CREED

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I WILL...

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. WE WILL HIT...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. WE WILL...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. WE ARE THE SAVIORS OF MY LIFE.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 12:42:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:

It would be a stupid, wasteful practice. They are (usually) buried with the things they earned; insignia, medals, etc., not the tools of their trade.

Also, you might be interested to know that the "funny little fucker" is a highly-respected member of this board. Who are you?




Read the Rifle Creed, smartass. And tell me if you still think it would be a stupid practice.
Highly-respected? What has he done thats so respectable? He hasnt earned my respect as many other members of this board have.



RIFLE CREED

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I WILL...

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. WE WILL HIT...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. WE WILL...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. WE ARE THE SAVIORS OF MY LIFE.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!



If I am killed in battle I expect my rifle and equipment to be put to use against the enemy by someone else before they ever get around to even evacuating my body to graves registration.

I won't do any good in the ground. It will in the hands of a live soldier. Give my family a military fineral and me a soldiers headstone, nothing more.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:03:54 PM EST
The weapon belongs to the unit, not the soldier. It is hard enough to plan replacements for individual soldiers in the field - I couldn't imagine constantly having new weapons and serial numbers. Also, think of the security headache for the escorts to the funeral home. How about AT the funeral home - any of those guys are about as crooked as they come.

If I'm dead, I won't need my rifle. My replacement will.

Just bury me with the ignition keys to the HUMMWV .
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:26:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?


You're what, ten, eleven years old?

+1. wtf.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:52:43 PM EST
Oh damn im crying now. I got called a 10 year old by a kid whos probably 15 or 16.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:13:56 PM EST
I don't want to be buried with my weapons, but I fully expect to be buried with all my wives and as many of my concubines as can be readily located. Also, a full keg of mead, and trubute gathered in conquered lands...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:15:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
Oh damn im crying now. I got called a 10 year old by a kid whos probably 15 or 16.



I think Cincinattus learned the Rifleman's Creed at the hands of a Drill Instructor a few years back, where did you learn it?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:19:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 5:29:06 PM EST
Sshh I put it in to see if somebody else might notice it. Doesn't look like he did. Still can't punctuate.

About that CV CO, is that before or after he goes down with the ship?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:00:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 8:07:28 PM EST by Garand_Shooter]

Originally Posted By Adam_White:
The weapon belongs to the unit, not the soldier. It is hard enough to plan replacements for individual soldiers in the field - I couldn't imagine constantly having new weapons and serial numbers. Also, think of the security headache for the escorts to the funeral home. How about AT the funeral home - any of those guys are about as crooked as they come.

If I'm dead, I won't need my rifle. My replacement will.

Just bury me with the ignition keys to the HUMMWV .



Jesus Christ, you Captains are all alike... you have no idea how much trouble it is to keep the 7 layers of security and redundant serial numbers on those damm HMMWV ignition keys. Couple that with the fact that there is a severe shortage of them in the supply system and the headaches never stop.

Leave the HMMWV ignition keys and thier security up to those of us who run the motorpool

Now the door key ya can have, everyone knows those are keyed alike. Order your own 01-262-0563.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:05:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:14:46 PM EST
The rifle/helmet thing is ceremonial, but in the past was used to mark bodies in the field. These days, no servicable weapons are left on the battlefield, unless they are lost or recovered by the enemy first. Bodies are usually picked up by helicopter. If a weapon must be abandoned, it is disabled, parts scattered, buried...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 11:40:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Adam_White:
The weapon belongs to the unit, not the soldier. It is hard enough to plan replacements for individual soldiers in the field - I couldn't imagine constantly having new weapons and serial numbers. Also, think of the security headache for the escorts to the funeral home. How about AT the funeral home - any of those guys are about as crooked as they come.

If I'm dead, I won't need my rifle. My replacement will.

Just bury me with the ignition keys to the HUMMWV .



You remind me a 2LT that came to one of my units. Our Ops Senior NCO sent me to do the "Check Ride" with the new LT one training day on the hum-vee and the M577. We did the M998 first, because it was outside the S-3 hut. We went over PMCS and the dash 10 (FM 9-2320-280-10, scary how I still remember that after a decade and a half), some of the basic features, and then it was time to drive it. I gave him the keys, which consisted of:
-The key to the lock on the steering wheel cable;
-The key to lock on the tool box/rear seat.

The LT loudly demanded the "ignition key." I respectfully told said LT that the hum-vee did not have ignition key, they merely had a lock for the steering wheel and a cable. He demanded the ignition key, yet again. When I attempted to explain to him that hum-vee don't have ignition keys, he loudly told me that a Sergeant at OBC at Gordon had told him that they did, and he demanded the igintion keys again. I gave him all of the keys in pocket, and respectfully told him that I would inside getting coffee, and he could come get me when he found somewhere to put an ignition key.

He calmed down alot after that, and was fairly decent for a Lieutenant.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:30:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By gunman0:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.



Oh yeah? Try burying the Captain of an aircraft carrier!



That's easy, they're buried at sea. Just poke a hole in the bottom of the ship and your done. Its the survivors that have to swim back that have the tough part.





Good point!
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:32:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 5:36:31 AM EST by Zaphod]

Originally Posted By Epsilon:

Read the Rifle Creed, smartass. And tell me if you still think it would be a stupid practice.



Yes, I do. Weapons are valuable to the enemy AND expensive, AND needed by those who are still fighting.


Highly-respected? What has he done thats so respectable? He hasnt earned my respect as many other members of this board have.


Then his description of you is probably spot-on accurate.




RIFLE CREED

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I WILL...

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. WE WILL HIT...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. WE WILL...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. WE ARE THE SAVIORS OF MY LIFE.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!



Very nice. Tell me, does your knowledge of things military extend beyond having watched Full Metal Jacket?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:34:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
I was wondering if soldiers are buried with their weapons if killed in combat.

If not, what happens to them?



Yes they are, and it is a real PIA to bury a Tank Commander.



Oh yeah? Try burying the Captain of an aircraft carrier!



My back is still sore from Funeral detail for a fighter jock.



Aw, those are REAL easy!

Just have him fly into the ground! Instant death, cremation, and burial in one swoop!

Am I the only one that's noticed that it's the ARMY that gives the difficulty here?
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 5:43:38 AM EST




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