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Posted: 12/18/2010 6:10:44 PM EST
I would think If somebody was gay in the military they wouldn't want anybody to know, for fear of being harassed or singled out. Just because it would be "Ok" to come out doesn't mean all the anti gays are gonna be like.... " Well we gotta be ok with it now"
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:12:46 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:14:11 PM EST
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i saw this on the news...

im hoping that when Mr O. gets voted out (if he PERMITS us to hold an election), that they reinstate the policy, among other things/changes.  

I dont think its a good thing it was repealed, and the majority of those serving (particularly in combat roles), object to it.

Did you see how they posed the question when they carried out the survey?


"Do you think it will have a postive effect, you arent sure, or you dont know?

OR

You think it will have a negative effect?"


––-as per Fox news reportings
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:14:52 PM EST
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Their going to lose their easiest out, which is going to be hilarious when the drill instructors start beating on them and their like "I''m gay" and the military is like "DEAL WITH IT".

On a serious note, the gays that want to be in the military are already there, and the ones pushing for its repeal arent lining up at a recruiters office as soon as its repealed.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:16:04 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:18:21 PM EST
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i think a few might die after they come out, there are a lot of intolerant people in the army itll be ugly until they brief the fuck out of us and scare everyone strait. so to speak
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:21:23 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


no shit
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:25:37 PM EST
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i think a few might die after they come out, there are a lot of intolerant people in the army itll be ugly until they brief the fuck out of us and scare everyone strait. so to speak


Seems like it won't change all that much unless the UCMJ is changed.  Homosexual acts(sodomy, in particular) are still illegal.  

DADT, as originally inacted, primarily just stopped gays from being denied entry into service.  Recruiters and so on weren't allowed to ask if they were gay and deny them entrance based on that answer.  

Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:27:22 PM EST
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This is so stupid, everyone already knows who the gay guys are in their unit.

They don't ask don't tell because everyone already knows the answer.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:28:49 PM EST
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Hell, if I were gay, I wouldn't want anyone knowing, either.  


Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:31:41 PM EST
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no shit


Im not in the military anymore. But if I was, I would not be ok showering with gay guys.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:39:15 PM EST
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I think it's the far left wingers
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:43:26 PM EST
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The gay people that I know that want to serve in the military, already do.  From the discussions I've had with them, they're not about to start telling all their squadmates about their gay lifestyle if DADT gets repealed.  I think, for most of them, they just don't want to be kicked out if they get accidently discovered.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:43:45 PM EST
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no shit


Im not in the military anymore. But if I was, I would not be ok showering with gay guys.


Homophobic? Personal complex? JK I agree... I am against gays in the mil., hell I dont even agree with females outside of conus... YMMV.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:44:51 PM EST
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I know of several gay guys,  of very good character, who love their country profoundly, and who would have loved to have served except that they could not do so without the risk of a secret orientation coming out.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:46:48 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:50:54 PM EST
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Yes, every other Western country in the world has abolished gay discrimination in their military and done just fine and yet somehow it will ruin ours...
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:52:53 PM EST
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I'm all for gays in the military.  Let's reinstate the draft and draft every last one of them and send them to Afghanistan.















JK
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 6:57:44 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:00:40 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


Soaping up your balls.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:01:36 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  


I'm not even understanding the logic of that
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:04:09 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.




every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?




While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  



Have you ever had a guy stare at you while showering in a small 3 shower head stall?   I'm comfortable with myself but it gets old quick and I ending up telling him to cut the shit.    This guy is dying to come out, he is flaming on fire!    He already makes flirtatious comments all the time.    The funny part will be when he does come out everyone will say "Yeah, whats new?   Get back to work."



 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:04:40 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  


I'm not even understanding the logic of that


It's using the same "rule" of seperate toilets ,shower, etc for women....privacy issues.

Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:06:35 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  

Have you ever had a guy stare at you while showering in a small 3 shower head stall?   I'm comfortable with myself but it gets old quick and I ending up telling him to cut the shit.    This guy is dying to come out, he is flaming on fire!    He already makes flirtatious comments all the time.    The funny part will be when he does come out everyone will say "Yeah, whats new?   Get back to work."
 


Hell I can't even get my S/O to stare at me in our shower.......
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:08:04 PM EST
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Realistically I see no benefit for someone being openly gay, especially in the military.

While it may 'look' good or be a safe route as something to hinge onto when the going gets tough; we all know that the military has its ways of dealing with people that are nuisances.

All it's going to take is for a flamer to use the 'Im gay' excuse to get out of something. The DI will let them stand there while the rest of the class got to do some sort of 'correctional' exercise because of it.

Things will take care of themselves once the lights go out as they always have.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:08:11 PM EST
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they are coming to die out..oh wait title says differently
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:09:00 PM EST
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Back when I was in basic, in another company in our battalion at Ft Leonard Wood a guy was thought to be gay.  Can you say blanket party.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 7:09:19 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.


every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  


I'm not even understanding the logic of that


It's using the same "rule" of seperate toilets ,shower, etc for women....privacy issues.



I guess.  But I've never in my life heard of any kind of separate facilities for gays and straights.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:04:32 PM EST
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I'll be waiting for the lawsuits for separate showers, etc.




every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?




While I'm sure that there is a concern over showering.......most of it was intended to be a "show stopper" arguement. Example..."Well if you can't provide seperate billets....then you can't repeal THE BAN...it wouldn't be fair"  





I'm not even understanding the logic of that




It's using the same "rule" of seperate toilets ,shower, etc for women....privacy issues.







I guess.  But I've never in my life heard of any kind of separate facilities for gays and straights.


There have been lawsuits where males that have had sex reassignment surgery have sued to use either the female facilities or to have their own.  There will be issues with gays in the military from both sides.



 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:08:04 PM EST
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I guess.  But I've never in my life heard of any kind of separate facilities for gays and straights.

There have been lawsuits where males that have had sex reassignment surgery have sued to use either the female facilities or to have their own.  There will be issues with gays in the military from both sides.
 


that has absolutely nothing to do with gays having separate facilities
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:11:03 PM EST
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I guess.  But I've never in my life heard of any kind of separate facilities for gays and straights.


There have been lawsuits where males that have had sex reassignment surgery have sued to use either the female facilities or to have their own.  There will be issues with gays in the military from both sides.

 




that has absolutely nothing to do with gays having separate facilities


Really?  Do you not understand why we separate the genders?  It has to do *only* with sexual attraction.  

 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:11:21 PM EST
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This is so stupid, everyone already knows who the gay guys are in their unit.
They don't ask don't tell because everyone already knows the answer.


This is 99.9% true.
You can tell which girls are gay (both officer and enlisted) by the company they keep, you can tell most of the enlisted guys who are gay, the surprises will be the male officers, especially in the aviation and special forces communities.

Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:11:24 PM EST
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every tenth post in these threads are about the showers.  what is the obsession with showering?


most vulnerable place ...



 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:12:40 PM EST
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Yes, every other Western country in the world has abolished gay discrimination in their military and done just fine and yet somehow it will ruin ours...


I don't know if I believe that...
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:39:47 PM EST
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I guess.  But I've never in my life heard of any kind of separate facilities for gays and straights.


There have been lawsuits where males that have had sex reassignment surgery have sued to use either the female facilities or to have their own.  There will be issues with gays in the military from both sides.

 




that has absolutely nothing to do with gays having separate facilities


Do you really believe that not a single gay soldier will not want separate facilities? Explain to me how a guy can start a job as a man, have sex reassignment surgery to become a woman and then demand that his/her employer accommodate them.  If you don't think there will be numerous lawsuits over this, you have your head in the sand.  How about the gays that were forced out?  Will they be able to sue and get their positions back with back pay and all rank?  



 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:43:00 PM EST
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I guess.  But I've never in my life heard of any kind of separate facilities for gays and straights.

There have been lawsuits where males that have had sex reassignment surgery have sued to use either the female facilities or to have their own.  There will be issues with gays in the military from both sides.
 


that has absolutely nothing to do with gays having separate facilities

Do you really believe that not a single gay soldier will not want separate facilities? Explain to me how a guy can start a job as a man, have sex reassignment surgery to become a woman and then demand that his/her employer accommodate them.  If you don't think there will be numerous lawsuits over this, you have your head in the sand.  How about the gays that were forced out?  Will they be able to sue and get their positions back with back pay and all rank?  
 


Every post I've seen is straight soldiers saying they expect separate facilities from gays.  And I'm saying I've never in my life heard of anyplace that has separate facilities for gays/straights.  It's a total nonstarter.
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:43:56 PM EST
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Yes, every other Western country in the world has abolished gay discrimination in their military and done just fine and yet somehow it will ruin ours...




I don't know if I believe that...


It's not true. Just using the French military, the FFL specifically, as an example. They will keep out gays because they cause problems to unit cohesion and moral.

 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:47:27 PM EST
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Get over the homophobic stuff.

There has been gay people serving in the armed forces.  There will be more in the future.

At least the gays will not be fired for being gay if they are found out.  I think most of them will keep their homosexuality a secret anyways.

I am not going to bash anyone for serving in our armed forces.

Link Posted: 12/18/2010 8:56:25 PM EST
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Realistically I see no benefit for someone being openly gay, especially in the military.





While it may 'look' good or be a safe route as something to hinge onto when the going gets tough; we all know that the military has its ways of dealing with people that are nuisances.





All it's going to take is for a flamer to use the 'Im gay' excuse to get out of something. The DI will let them stand there while the rest of the class got to do some sort of 'correctional' exercise because of it.





Things will take care of themselves once the lights go out as they always have.



Oh, there will be a benefit... And that is what bothers me about this whole thing.





If everything in the military was performance based, I would have Zero problem with gay people openly serving. What bothers me (and guys who have served, please chime in if I am wrong) is that this will create another "protected class" that has to be "helped" along in their careers by systems of quotas, thus bypassing those more qualified who are not the right skin color, gender or sexual preference.





While I have never served, just about every person who has served that I have discussed this topic with has told me "I served with gay people". They (gays) have always been there, the vast majority serve with the same honor, courage and pride as everybody else.





The repeal of DADT Also ties neatly into other government agenda items (gay marriage and government health care).





As far as the "separate  but equal" thought. NAAAH... Everybody in the pool. Men, women, gay, straight. You wanna serve, everybody is now all together. EVERYBODY bunks in the same rooms, uses the same showers and heads. Behave yourselves or you will suffer the consequences.





 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 9:02:00 PM EST
[#39]
Why is ARFCOM so obsessed with homosexuality ?  
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 9:10:25 PM EST
[#40]
If your E3 has a shrine to Barbara Streisand in his barracks room...
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 9:12:35 PM EST
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If your E3 has a shrine to Barbara Streisand in his barracks room...


That's the norm in the Air Guard.

Link Posted: 12/18/2010 9:14:27 PM EST
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Why is ARFCOM so obsessed with homosexuality ?  


Because a good bit of Arfcom is MIL or former (the little tank). Now homos are open in the mil. GET IT?
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 9:36:35 PM EST
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If your E3 has a shrine to Barbara Streisand in his barracks room...




That's the norm in the Air Guard.





Right off the top rope.  

 
Link Posted: 12/18/2010 11:29:42 PM EST
[#44]
What people seem to forget is that there are always unintended consequences.........

Link Posted: 12/18/2010 11:49:37 PM EST
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I 'm just relived we are finally going to change the Sodomy Article in the UCMJ...
Link Posted: 12/19/2010 12:27:16 AM EST
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I 'm just relived we are finally going to change the Sodomy Article in the UCMJ...


<fist bump>

Back in 1992-1993 I was fucking some SSGTs wife after she left him - and she loved being fucked in the ass.  He had put her in the hospital one night on a domestic violence and she loved calling him up and telling him how I had just fucked her her in the ass and how red her nipples were from me twisting them...

He filed with the Base Provost Marshall but the guy said there wasn't enough evidence to charge me and as far as the Provost Marshall was concerned, the SSGT should rot in a cell.  Then my girlfriend and his wife files a RO against him and the PM told him he couldn't get anywhere near her, or me.  

I used to get off work, drive out to her place, fuck the ever loving shit out of her, then wake up and get back to base for PT in the morning.  

I can't remember where I was going with this story other then unnatural sex acts and after pulling the shit I did, I never felt comfortable pointing my finger at someone else getting their freak on.  It was like being on deployment and someone in your squad gets the young hooker and pays extra for her to dress like a schoolgirl, a young schoolgirl.
Link Posted: 12/19/2010 1:54:42 AM EST
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I 'm just relived we are finally going to change the Sodomy Article in the UCMJ...


<fist bump>

Back in 1992-1993 I was fucking some SSGTs wife after she left him - and she loved being fucked in the ass.  He had put her in the hospital one night on a domestic violence and she loved calling him up and telling him how I had just fucked her her in the ass and how red her nipples were from me twisting them...

He filed with the Base Provost Marshall but the guy said there wasn't enough evidence to charge me and as far as the Provost Marshall was concerned, the SSGT should rot in a cell.  Then my girlfriend and his wife files a RO against him and the PM told him he couldn't get anywhere near her, or me.  

I used to get off work, drive out to her place, fuck the ever loving shit out of her, then wake up and get back to base for PT in the morning.  

I can't remember where I was going with this story other then unnatural sex acts and after pulling the shit I did, I never felt comfortable pointing my finger at someone else getting their freak on.  It was like being on deployment and someone in your squad gets the young hooker and pays extra for her to dress like a schoolgirl, a young schoolgirl.

I believe the point was to brag about what a stud you were in days long past.

Jane

Link Posted: 12/19/2010 2:05:47 AM EST
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I 'm just relived we are finally going to change the Sodomy Article in the UCMJ...


Says who? Requires congress to change the UCMJ, who will control congress in two weeks?

So here you go: yup you can be gay but sodomy is still illegal. A'int life grand.

Dumbasses
Link Posted: 12/19/2010 2:11:19 AM EST
[#49]
To answer the original question: No

Still will be stigmatized and they will fear for thier careers. There will be some activists but the people who love the military will do thier thing and no one will know.

There have always been gays around; only open activism in the military will cause harm.
Link Posted: 12/19/2010 2:24:59 AM EST
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Get over the homophobic stuff.

There has been gay people serving in the armed forces.  There will be more in the future.

At least the gays will not be fired for being gay if they are found out.  I think most of them will keep their homosexuality a secret anyways.

I am not going to bash anyone for serving in our armed forces.



So if a ROP'er cuts the head off a homosexual he is exercising his religion? If a Christian thinks homosexuality is a sin he is a homophobe?

This is not about homosexuality or the military; this is about weakening religion in America.
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