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Posted: 10/30/2004 10:32:25 AM EST
In 2000 we saw the election swayed by less than 600 votes. This time both sides are more polarized than they may have ever been in American histroy. It is clear to everyone that every vote will count in this election.

This election may also be the most important in US history. We know that Al Queda wants to destroy us, we know that John Kerry will not take the actions necessary to defend this nation, and we all know that George W. Bush has made the defense of this nation the number one priority in his administration. There is no question that Badnarik has absolutely no chance of winning, or even being recognized as a cantidate (how many average people outside of have actually heard of this joker). Unfortunately, we know from this site alone that hard headed Libertarians are still planning on voting for Badnarik anyway.

The libertarian factor is obviously a benefit to Kerry, and that is dangerous for America.

So, in your opinion, are Libertarians helping Kerry to win this election, and thereby making it easier for Al Queda to kill American?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:37:20 AM EST
I think it is a waste of a vote considering 3rd parties have absolutely no chance in hell in winning. I don't think that it will be close enough for them to lose it for us though.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:48:21 AM EST
Bush does not have a right to the libertarian vote, Bush does not have a right to any vote. Just like Kerry does not have a right to the Nader vote. It is the candidates duty to supply a platform that attracts these voters, if they dont it is their loss. I cant stand people that get upset about a person that has decided to vote libertarian, or green, or even democrat. The vote is that persons responsibility and only that persons responsibility.

That being said, I am voting for Bush, even though I tend to be more libertarian. The idea of third parties is stupid in my opinion. I think one should change the party from the inside. But if they want to vote third party it is their choice. If Bush loses dont blame it on the libertarian, blame it on Bush.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 10:55:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
In 2000 we saw the election swayed by less than 600 votes. This time both sides are more polarized than they may have ever been in American histroy. It is clear to everyone that every vote will count in this election.

This election may also be the most important in US history. We know that Al Queda wants to destroy us, we know that John Kerry will not take the actions necessary to defend this nation, and we all know that George W. Bush has made the defense of this nation the number one priority in his administration. There is no question that Badnarik has absolutely no chance of winning, or even being recognized as a cantidate (how many average people outside of have actually heard of this joker). Unfortunately, we know from this site alone that hard headed Libertarians are still planning on voting for Badnarik anyway.

The libertarian factor is obviously a benefit to Kerry, and that is dangerous for America.

So, in your opinion, are Libertarians helping Kerry to win this election, and thereby making it easier for Al Queda to kill American?



So what your saying is that I and other Libertarians are dangerous because we don't think the same way you do.

Everybody please say hello to the Thought Police, and be sure to show your papers on the way in or you might face the consequenses.

Chris
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:00:48 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:03:41 AM EST
There aren't enough of them to make a huge difference in this election... Thus, I voted "no"

I need to see more realistic world policy written by them before I could ever vote for one of them-- I'd also need to see them having a snowball's chance in hell of actually being elected. Otherwise, no matter how good the candidate for whatever party, votes for them are wasted (see H. Ross Perot for more).
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:05:51 AM EST
Until they start trying to blow up buildings I voted no.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:07:40 AM EST
The only thing the Libertarians are a threat to is the Two Party System.

And it's about time that P.O.S. gets brought down!

We need more CIVILIZED dissent in this country. Instead you get Bush and Kerry which are two sides of the same coin.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:20:11 AM EST
Motown, I can appreciate where you are coming from and why you think that Bush's reelection is so important right now. I do too. I'm a registered Republican.

But when discussing Libertarians in this fashion, making non-valid comparisons and drawing non-valid conclusions, you are perpetuating a very dangerous stream of thought that I see manifesting with ever greater intensity. Who knows what this could lead to...

Example: "Yes, they are helping Kerry make the US less safe"
Now, can any man of reason really not see the absence of logic in this statement?
For the sake of all of us, I hope not. I hope not because not only is it false and misleading, but because the ultimate consequence of it is inciting violence against those that merely disagree with your position. Is this the "new" American way?

Every man has the inalienable right to choose his candidate for his own reasons without having to explain it to anyone. This is not a matter for anybody to fuck with.

Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:21:10 AM EST
I'm voting Libertarian on Tuesday. Here in New York it makes no difference with sKerry having a lock on the state. I can finally vote without having to hold my nose.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:25:31 AM EST
I am voting for Bush again in this election ( already did) because of the cost to America IF Kerry is elected - as a rule, I would vote Libertarian - but there is too much to be lost if the Democrats regain control. I support people voting solely on principle. Don't hate them for that - hate the lard asses who are too lazy to vote at all - or even check out the issues. I have more respect for my ENEMY then I do for the fat lazy Americans too glued to the TV and their little selfish apathetic lives.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:28:17 AM EST
"Does G. W. Bush REALLY wear ladies' undergarments?"

No-but the implication is clear, though it has no basis in fact. Not unlike your premise, is it?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 11:30:55 AM EST
Shove it motown
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 3:52:15 PM EST
Should have phrased it "Libertarians not voting for Bush..." I am a libertarian and like many other (probably most) libertarians, voted for Bush.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:02:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:06:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By nationwide:
The only thing the Libertarians are a threat to is the Two Party System.

And it's about time that P.O.S. gets brought down!

We need more CIVILIZED dissent in this country. Instead you get Bush and Kerry which are two sides of the same coin.



<Southpark> Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich? <Southpark>
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:23:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hexagonal:
www.gunsanddope.com/





That's awesome!

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As for the original question: no.

I voted for Bush to keep Kerry out, but I wouldn't blame anyone for voting for Badnarik. Bush is still taking the country down the wrong path, I just think that Kerry would take us there soo much faster.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:26:36 PM EST
thats ridiculous to compare Terrorists to Libertarians.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:58:03 PM EST
No.

All I can say is,
I'm glad to see most don't think that.
you vote for who you want to and I'll vote for who I want to.
simple as that. no one asked permission nor has to. the comparison of al queda and libertarians is amazing. also one of the reasons bush won't get my vote.
george kerry and john Bush don't deserve my vote. and I'll not give it to either one based on that.

the threat lies in those 21(at this time) who posted otherwise in the poll. IMHO

Chris
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:15:40 PM EST
I'd be surprised if most Librarians aren't voting for Bush. Didn't his wife used to be a Librarian?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:17:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hexagonal:
www.gunsanddope.com/



No argument on that one......
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:17:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By cck:
Shove it motown




Typical Arizonan Libertarian...cck

I have some Libertarian leanings myself, but...................These "Wackos" out here...In Arizona...Just plain Piss me off

Shove it or leave it...
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:01:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By GrumpyM4:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
In 2000 we saw the election swayed by less than 600 votes. This time both sides are more polarized than they may have ever been in American histroy. It is clear to everyone that every vote will count in this election.

This election may also be the most important in US history. We know that Al Queda wants to destroy us, we know that John Kerry will not take the actions necessary to defend this nation, and we all know that George W. Bush has made the defense of this nation the number one priority in his administration. There is no question that Badnarik has absolutely no chance of winning, or even being recognized as a cantidate (how many average people outside of have actually heard of this joker). Unfortunately, we know from this site alone that hard headed Libertarians are still planning on voting for Badnarik anyway.

The libertarian factor is obviously a benefit to Kerry, and that is dangerous for America.

So, in your opinion, are Libertarians helping Kerry to win this election, and thereby making it easier for Al Queda to kill American?



So what your saying is that I and other Libertarians are dangerous because we don't think the same way you do.

Everybody please say hello to the Thought Police, and be sure to show your papers on the way in or you might face the consequenses.

Chris



Actually no, that is not my point at all. My point is that Libertarians are allowing their ideals on secondary issues influence their vote in a way that will leave America vulnerable to terrorists.

I am not a Republican, and you may be surprised to learn that I have alot of problems with President Bush. But I realize that despite all of my problems with President Bush, he is doing an excellent job of protecting this country from terrorists. Under Bill Clinton, we were attacked 5 separate times by Islamic extreemists. Under Bush we have had one, and since then we have been on the offensive fighting terrorists on their soil.

We know that John Kerry wants to drastically scale back our efforts against these terrorists. With the election this close, I think that those who vote for Badnarik could have been a help to President Bush.

Unfortunately, the Libertarians are more concerned with legalizing drugs and opening the borders to consider the fact that this election may be the most important in our history, and could determine whether or not this nation survives as it has. If John Kerry wins, Al Queda will be able to rebuild, rearm and launch new offensives against us in this country.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:02:46 PM EST
The Libertarian Party should be the least of your concerns - I am a Libertarian, active duty military, and I am voting for Bush - whats the problem?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:03:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By J_Smith:
I am voting for Bush again in this election ( already did) because of the cost to America IF Kerry is elected- as a rule, I would vote Libertarian - but there is too much to be lost if the Democrats regain control.



This is my point!
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:18:21 PM EST
not all libritarians are voting for the libritarian candidate since they know they wont win. alot of them are voting for bush.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:18:57 PM EST
Another newbie jumps on the anti-libertarian bandwagon. Yawn.

Quit posting idiotic polls, and do something useful, like going out and convincing some Motown welfare-grabbing democRats to vote for Bush. You sho' gotta lot of 'em up there. They are a bigger enemy of the USA than Al-Q, especially for you.

All 15 ECVs in Georgia will go to Bush. I wonder about YOUR state.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:19:26 PM EST
While I am very Libertarian leaning, I'm voting for Bush as well. As I'm sure most Libertarians are.

In fact I'd be willing to be that the Nader factor will FAR outweigh the Libertarian factor.

That being said, to suggest that a person in a free country voting his concious is as dangerous as Al-Quaeda is a scary notion in and of itself.

We do live in a free country right?

Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:23:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By jeremy223:
Should have phrased it "Libertarians not voting for Bush..." I am a libertarian and like many other (probably most) libertarians, voted for Bush.



+1 Same here.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:24:10 PM EST
No, the Greens and other lib parties offset them anyway
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:31:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By ShamusMcOI:
While I am very Libertarian leaning, I'm voting for Bush as well. As I'm sure most Libertarians are.

In fact I'd be willing to be that the Nader factor will FAR outweigh the Libertarian factor.

That being said, to suggest that a person in a free country voting his concious is as dangerous as Al-Quaeda is a scary notion in and of itself.

We do live in a free country right?




1. Michael Badnarik has no chance of winning. On January 20, 2005 the President of the United States will be either George W. Bush or John F. Kerry.

2. We know that the policy changes proposed by John Kerry will hinder this nation's ability to locate, kill and detain terrorists before they are able to execute attacks against us.

So then, wouldn't a person who knowing these facts, casts his ballot for a cantidate that has no chance of winning, actually be knowingly helping to make it easier for terrorists to attack this nation?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:32:01 PM EST
I want a box to check that says "none of the above".

Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:34:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
No, the Greens and other lib parties offset them anyway



And if the Libertarians voted for Bush while the Greens voted for Nader, then Bush would have the advantage thereby ensuring that we have a President who is strong on terror.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:41:59 PM EST
I voted republican for everything except the local officials.....and there I voted libertarian.

I know the libertarians don't have a chance at pres/house/senate yet. So I vote lesser of two evils to avoid .gov falling to the socialists.

I vote libertarian in local elections to help grow the party so that one day there WILL be a third choice, or at least replace one party with a better one.



Those that know American history know that while there is usually two dominant parties, those parties can and DO change over time. I say we're close to the parties changing again, and damnit, I'm going to help when and where I can.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:54:55 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/31/2004 8:37:08 AM EST
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amazingly, If/When all these "libertarians" finally decide voting the lesser of two evils is bullshit, and vote for the candidate you actually want.

John Bush and George Kerry are one in the same, from the "lesser of two evils" example.

enjoy the right to vote as you deem appropriate, But it sounds like most in here, if they voted their true first choice, the libertarians could win this year. <<<changed would to could
but naaaaa, the lesser of two evils is the answer that suits you?

[SIGH]

Chris
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 8:40:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 9:35:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By virginia22:
But it sounds like most in here, if they voted their true first choice, the libertarians could win this year. [SIGH]

Chris



Bullshit. You are delusional if you really believe this.
Have you no idea that most Republicans [still] have a strong dislike for the LP?
There are probably more Democrats than Repubs that you could convince to vote LP.
Sad but true.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 12:09:57 PM EST
As for the subject line: ARE LIBERTARIANS AS GREAT A THREAT TO THE US AS AL QUEDA?
No.

As for the option in the poll: Yes, they are helping Kerry make the US less safe

IF they take votes from Bush by voting for Badnarik then in a roundabout way they are helping Kerry, but they aren't really "helping Kerry make the US less safe". The way it is worded it sounds like Kerry will make the US less safe (which I believe) and then the Libertarians will make the US less safe on top of that.
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