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Posted: 4/16/2006 2:00:34 PM EST
I want a pistol caliber trunk long gun but want to keep the price down. Are they reliable enough to stake your life on?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:01:30 PM EST
I would say no, but that's just me.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:02:03 PM EST
They are fine if you are spending less than $200. Any more is a waste of money
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:02:34 PM EST
What's your life worth?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:02:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 2:03:33 PM EST by David_Hineline]
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:05:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
I would spend a bit more. for a Keltec Sub2000

myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/mallcase2.jpg



beat me to it.

get the kel tec. i have one and love it. it is rugged, reliable, and VERY compact because it folds in half. you can fit it under the seat, in a big glove box, in a laptop bag, or just about anywhere.

let me say it again: GET THE KEL TEC!!!

you can get them to take mags from glock, sig, beretta, and S&W. I have the beretta one, but a lot of guys like the glock because it will take the 30rd g18 mags. get the one that matches your pistol so you can swap mags back and forth.

GET THE KEL TEC!
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:07:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
I would spend a bit more. for a Keltec Sub2000 plus the Glock version has 10-33nrd magazines available that the High Point has nothing

myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/mallcase2.jpg



That's what I'd like to have, is that a custom case?

Looks like it's time to research the Kel Tec.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:09:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 2:10:06 PM EST by shop_rat45]
I had one a long time ago when they first came out. For $200, you really can't beat it. Never had a problem with it. The only other thing in semi-auto for less than $200 that I would recommend is an SKS.

ETA: Kel-Tec mikes some fine stuff too. I am the owner of a PLR-16 and a P3AT and love them both.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:11:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 2:11:55 PM EST by mr_camera_man]

Originally Posted By Combatvet:
Are they reliable enough to stake your life on?



It may be better than their pistols, but it's still a Hi-Point. I'd look for a used .38/.357 levergun, or a used Ruger PC9.

Edit: how did I not think of the Kel-Tec? That's a great choice too.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:12:06 PM EST
I have one, very reliable, accurate. I will buy the 45 cal too whenever they release it.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 2:17:24 PM EST
I've shot a hi point pistol, and it was a huge POS. I wouldn't trust one to shoot at the range. I've messed with a hi point carbine at the gun store, it felt like a POS, but who knows.

Spend the extra cash and get the keltec sub2000, I owned a 9mm one, and it was a very reliable gun.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:05:34 PM EST
Get a Kel Tec sub, CV. It is a few $$$ more but it is a much better weapon.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:30:22 PM EST
A little off topic but can a Keltec Sub2000 use +P or +P+ ammo?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:35:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By passgas55:
A little off topic but can a Keltec Sub2000 use +P or +P+ ammo?



The only thing I have seen is they say not to use aluminum cased ammo...
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:38:58 PM EST
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:

Link Posted: 4/16/2006 4:37:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
What's your life worth?



A lot more than I can afford...
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 4:39:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Recon_by_Fire:
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:
i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/CX-4%20Storm/Storm-3.jpg



How much do those generally cost?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 4:48:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
I would spend a bit more. for a Keltec Sub2000 plus the Glock version has 10-33nrd magazines available that the High Point has nothing

myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/mallcase2.jpg



do you have to register your glock as a SBR in order to put a shoulder stock on it like that?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 4:52:41 PM EST
Everything I've heard about them was quite positive (aside from here on AR15.com at least). I've heard people claim that they're as accurate and reliable as a Beretta Storm. It may be ugly as hell, but now you can get a thing for it to make it look similar to a Storm for about $70.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 4:55:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 5:39:24 PM EST
FWIW, I never had a jam or malfunction in 1500 rds of wolf in the time I had one.

They feel crappy and are a pain to strip, but they are reliable.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 5:44:30 PM EST
buy one, you WONT regret it.
I have had mine over a year and enjoy shooting it
along with my AR 1911's De.. wait Beagle
I liked it better than my Glocks i HAD.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 5:50:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Recon_by_Fire:
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:
i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/CX-4%20Storm/Storm-3.jpg



But they look like a fish.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 5:57:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By Recon_by_Fire:
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:
i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/CX-4%20Storm/Storm-3.jpg



But they look like a fish.



hummmmmm




You might be on to something here
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:06:29 PM EST
tag
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:06:33 PM EST

NO WAY is the Storm in the same price range as the Hi-point. Most are around $500 I have seen.

But I agree with those who say go with the SUB-2000.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:11:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
i put the one i had right up there or better than the berretta storm Ruger PC9GR i have now for relibility.

YES it's a cheap gun, yes it is cheaply made and frankly i always considered it disposable. That said it ALWAYS went bang and was more accurate than my storm PC9GR. they don't always like hollow point or soft lead bullets though.



I also had an early Kel-Tec SUB2000, but it had some extraction problems.

Overall my favorite is the Ruger (no experiance with a Storm yet) mainly because it accepts 15+rd mags and it's ability to imitate a club.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:14:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By Recon_by_Fire:
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:
i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/CX-4%20Storm/Storm-3.jpg



But they look like a fish.



Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:16:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By Recon_by_Fire:
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:
i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/CX-4%20Storm/Storm-3.jpg



But they look like a fish.






What? You don't see it?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:21:19 PM EST
Go to page one and see what I posted
Reply too!
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:25:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By Recon_by_Fire:
Get yourself a Beretta Storm instead:
i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/CX-4%20Storm/Storm-3.jpg



But they look like a fish.






What? You don't see it?



Not at all.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:32:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
I would spend a bit more. for a Keltec Sub2000 plus the Glock version has 10-33nrd magazines available that the High Point has nothing

myweb.cableone.net/uziforme/mallcase2.jpg



do you have to register your glock as a SBR in order to put a shoulder stock on it like that?



Yes. You Do.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:42:45 PM EST
buy two. . . one of em is bound to shoot!
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:51:20 PM EST
i belive someone is making a 15 rnd mag for it..

but 10s are fine buy me ill just buy more mags....

honestly i have not read one bad thing about them other than there looks"ugly as hell"

but "ati" is making a new stock for them now

looks like a storm stock..
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 7:05:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 7:06:04 PM EST by AbominableNo-Man]
See if you can find an M-1 carbine and load it with Cor-bon ammo.

FWIW, if you are still considering the Hi-Point, it's not a bad gun. My brother in law has one and so does a guy I work with, and neither one have ever said anything negative about them. The mag capacity is about the only thing I can think of that might be negative.....the standard cap (single stack) mag that comes with them is (I think) seven or eight rounds, and supposedly there are ten to fifteen round mags available.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 8:07:29 PM EST
I have been looking at them also.
Are they comming out with a .45 as was posted?
I am not a fan of .38 cal wepons (inculding 9mm) after I witnessed a crazied doper take 15 rounds of .38/357 and live.
Before the shit storm of the effectiveness of the round, all were from about 10 yards or less in a LEO setting and no round hit the heart or spine. It was one of those close as hell blasting as fast as possible and he had a sawed off 12 ga. I agree a well placed shot from a .22 would have taken him out . But in that type of situation as you are trying to get your ass out of the way , bullits don't go in the right places.
A .45 while not the answer, the wound does not close up as fast as the smaller round and thus I like it better.
BTW the perp. is serving 265 years for the muders and the wounding of a buddy LEO. But he shits in a bag now but he is alive. dang it
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 9:12:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By ops144:
but "ati" is making a new stock for them now

looks like a storm stock..



Another thread on the ATI stock here.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 9:37:20 PM EST
Maybe I've got the wrong gun but didn't someone on the board have a Keltec blow up on them a few months ago?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 11:58:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Observer:
Maybe I've got the wrong gun but didn't someone on the board have a Keltec blow up on them a few months ago?

.

It was BeerSlayer, it was determined to be the ammo that caused it, the gun did it's job and did not seriously injure the shooter when it KB'd and Kel-Tec replaced it with no hassle even though it was determined to be an ammo problem. Really can't complain too much about that.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 2:15:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:
I had one a long time ago when they first came out. For $200, you really can't beat it. Never had a problem with it. The only other thing in semi-auto for less than $200 that I would recommend is an SKS.



+1. No problems with the one I had. I didnt intend to use it for anything serious, though. You may be better served with an SKS.
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