Not religious per-say but a very interesting story that fits right into Biblical Historical accounts..........again.

Lost City

So, humans living in the area (or anywhere else for that matter) 100,000+ years ago “fits right into Biblical Historical accounts”?  
How do you figure?

The Biblical flood was supposed to have occurred about 2350-2300BC, roughly 4300 years ago.  This article says the big flood happened around 8,000 years ago.  
That’s before the Earth was created, wasn’t it?  And it displaced people who’d been there for over 100,000 years?
How does that “fit right into Biblical Historical accounts”?  

Where did you get those dates ? there are not any in the Bible.

Most of the dates are from the article.  The date of the Biblical flood is much harder to pin down, seeing that it didn't actually happen.  However, the date range I used is one that's commonly accepted by Biblical scholars.  You can learn more at your local library.

Japle, the trick with some of this stuff is to read between the lines.


You have to ask;
What does the Bible tells us.
What does Archeology tell us.
What do we think and what do we know.

It is an undisputed fact that the Bible is the oldest most Historically accurate document in existence.

Please explain to me how “reading between the lines” can reconcile discrepancies of 100,000 years or so between the Bible (as often interpreted) and the contents of this article.
Do we just throw out what we don’t want and bend the rest to fit?


It tells us that humans were created in the Garden of Eden.  It’s pretty tough to “read between the lines” and understand, as it says in the article, “the possibility that humans were established on the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula beginning as far back as 100,000 years ago or more”.


It tells us that there’s no evidence for a “Garden of Eden”.  It tells us that humans originated in Africa, not the Middle East.  


“Undisputed”?  “Historically accurate”?  That’s funny.  
Some of the Bible’s biggest stories, the Creation, the Flood, the Exodus, didn’t happen.  All three would have left unmistakable geological, archeological and/or written evidence.  
There isn’t any.  On the contrary, there’s plenty of evidence against them.

It's only matter in how you interpet the archeology discovers. Is the glass half empty or half full. Is it old is it new. Very subjective. The bible tell us the earth was created in 6, 24 hour days.

Thats pretty interesting, thanks for posting

I wish I had the time to act in the place of Google for you but it's finals week coupled with Christmas shopping for my nieces and nephews....and for a three and five year old boy it's hard to reflect on the Birth of Jesus without some Christmas loot to open.

So here is the thing, you can take the Bible and verify hundreds of its Historical accounts to varying levels..some may be lesser than others but many are unquestioned as accurate.
There is an entire magazine dedicated to new discoveries in Biblical Archeology that is published I believe six times a year.
PM me your address and you will be added to my Christmas list for your very own subscription.

It is fact that when it comes to historical books none have had the impact on the Globe and none have recorded the events of the globe on the same scale as the Bible.
Like yourself I am a sinner with a heart of pride so I understand your rejection of God.
What I do not understand is why a smart man like yourself rejects a book like the Bible as having any validity at all.
It is responsible for altering the face of the planet to a greater degree that any other document in the history of the world and records pre BC history unlike any other book in the world.
Don't let your natural rejection of God cause you to reject your natural common sense.
Send me that address!!...your a crusty old dude and all old dudes are suckers for free stuff....who knows, I might throw in some bonus drug store chocolate covered peanuts and a pouch of Prince Albert pipe tobacco.

I didn’t say the Bible has no validity at all.  Some of the events portrayed actually did happen, and we know that because they were recorded in other writings.  
On the other hand, many of the events didn’t take place.  We’d know about the true events even without the Bible.  


Possibly true, but not all the alterations have been positive.  


Anytime someone uses “common sense” in an argument, I immediately become suspicious.  


Thanks for the offer.
My daughter gets copies of that magazine from a friend.  I’ll check it out.  
Too bad, I don’t like milk chocolate and I don’t use tobacco.

And about being a "crusty old dude", I have some cream for that!!

haha...fair enough.
I must say, no chocolate no pipe tobacco and no God.......the word tragic simply wouldn't do justice!

Don’t misunderstand; I love dark chocolate, dark beer, single malt Scotch, working out and studying religion.  

I’m just getting into “The Lost Christianities”.  Very interesting.

Did you know that some of the earliest forms of Christianity taught that there were two gods (the god of the Jews wasn’t the same as their god)?  Another said there were 30.  One claimed there were 365 different gods!  One taught that the Jewish Bible was inspired by an evil god.

All this was before the NT existed.  Early Christianity was full of different Gospels, Acts, Epistles and other writings that contradicted each other.  

It’ll be fun learning what happened to them and how we ended up with the NT we have today.  

hYou're dead on the money!
Reading through the New Testament we find that the early Church is barely established before false Teachers began their shenanigans.

Paul, Peter, John and even Jesus constantly highlight that there will be false Apostles and Teachers who's entire message will be one of deception.
I wont make you read over a bunch of scriptures but the following is kind of a snap shot of several warnings given to the early Church.
This one is from John ( 1st John 4:1...Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.)
Paul sends a letter to the Church of Corinth warning of people who twist the Truth and sums up their actions with the following;
"For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Cor 11:13"
There are whole books of the New Testament that are almost exclusively warning against deception and Christian apathy.

I understand that the concept of Satan may seem juvenile to you but if you will entertain me by putting on your "Biblical validity" glasses you will see that almost every reference to Satan paints him as a liar and deceiver who will manipulate and construe Gods Truth just enough so that it seems much more palatable but is still stripped of the power of Jesus Christ that changes lives.
The Bible tells us that Satan is anything but the obvious horned bad guy...in fact he is quite the opposite.
Following the above mentioned verse Paul explains just who false teachers serve.
vs 14 "And no marvel;(It's no wonder) for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
The best way to deceive someone is by putting on the shiny bling and telling them something they want to hear in the first place.

If you turn on the TV and watch Oprah or for that matter many Televangelists you will hear the same message that you hear from every man made world religion and cult.
Men can become worthy of God; we can through our own effort either A: become good enough to not need God for Salvation... or B: become at least good enough to help God out with our Salvation.

So how does someone like yourself who doesn't recognize Jesus Christ as God but is still an avid reader and student of world religions and knowledge know what messages and teachings are congruent with the Bible.....I'm glad you asked!

It's all about the Blood my friend, who's Blood must be spilled...who must pay the price for our sin...our wrong doing.... our separation from God?
Religion will tell you that if you suffer....even in some small way.... your blood, your suffering/sacrifice is good enough for redemption....or at least part of your redemption.
Some might have you literally bleed by performing religious ceremony like many eastern religions... some more western religions might have you psychologically bleed through religious sacrificial practice... maybe a change of diet, habit even clothing or giving of enough time, money and devotion.
There is hundreds of ways that message is delivered and thousands of messengers but at the root of what they all say you will find the same central message.
The effect of that message is ALWAYS the same...you must earn your merit...you must in some way...Bleed.

But then you have the Gospel of Jesus Christ which tells sinners that God is the one who does the bleeding for sinners.
While we could never merit our own redemption  because we are corrupt by nature for even the smallest sin separates from God and the Bible tells us that we all sin and fall short of Gods Standard.

So God sends His Son Jesus Christ…God in the flesh who makes the outrageous claim that while our works fall short for our salvation… He will take our place….he will be the atonement for our sin. Jesus will physically suffer the pain of death and spiritually suffer separation from God so that those who place their faith in Him by an act of His Grace no longer have to fear death and no longer remain separated…from God.

Think back to the one verse you might remember from childhood John 3:16 “God so loved that he gave”…..God becomes the perfect atonement, the perfect payment for sin through Jesus Christ; so that those who repent of their sin and follow Him “might not perish, but have everlasting life!”
God bleeds for sinners….God does the bleeding because only his blood can even matter.....only His blood even counts!
For those who cling to that Truth with childlike faith they now have the very Spirit of God dwelling in them and through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ no longer live in fear of death but through death they will welcome everlasting life.

God bleeds for the sinners who understand that they could never bleed enough for themselves!
When God reveals that truth to men they then find The Only Truth that is worth bleeding for.

When you study so called “lost Christian teachings” look for the messages that tell you that you must bleed....even in some small way, because those are the messages that deceptive liars will try to use as cover for fancy religious practice and feel good messages that tell us how we can earn our own way to God.
Liars will always tell us what we want to hear in the attempt to conceal what we need to hear.

For a great read and quick glimpse at several early church heresies check out the following. It should give you a great afternoon of reading at the very least.
Early Church Heresy.

What a great site!

It is missing an important heresy - dualism, particularly in the area of moral teaching.

Thanks for posting that!

More importantly, the Noachian flood was supposed to be global.

And don't let your embrace of God eliminate your critical thinking skills.  There's a LOT the Bible claims, that doesn't appear to be supported by the archeological record.  The exodus, the global Flood, Eden, Joshua's conquest of Canaan.... no evidence for any of it.  And there is, for example, a LOT of evidence than the worship of Yahweh was derived from polytheistic belief of Semetic peoples.  Certainly the worship of Yahweh was derived from a polytheistic tradtion.

The Bible if a valuable document, if it viewed as such from a critical thinking point of view.  If you cloak it in the mantle of revealed truth, then you are fairly doomed to suffer from confirmation bais and an unwillingness to accept any evidenc ethat appears to contradict it.

Did I make it in here before the Christians bash the scientific methods used in dating? Oh, wait.....

After reading the article, I'm with Japle on this one. How in the world does that article support the bible? If anything, it supports our current theories of human evolution (out of Africa). I can honestly say that I have NEVER heard a CHRISTIAN on this site EVER tell me that humans have been around 100,000 years. That's WAYYYYYYY before the Christian religion was even a thought.....if the middle east is the area that humans left Africa through then that's cool, but means nothing about the authenticity of the bible......

You never asked me how long humans have been around
I honestly dont know, with that I dont think anybody really knows exactly how long.

I've mentioned that humans have been around for about 100,000 years in various threads over the last few years. Generally, that comment was challenged (not by you) with something to the effect that our scientific dating techniques are fraud. It's hard to comprehend humans being a species for 100,000 years when you think the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Sure, no one know EXACTLY how long humans have been around, but that doesn't mean we can't say with some certainly that it's been X long....

Well my first question for you would be regarding Radiometric Dating itself which is I assume where you get the 100,000 year old human concept.
Are the process used for Radiometric Dating at equilibrium? ..or do the process used for dating change themselves over time?

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking.

Sorry about that.
I just noted that you base most of your objections on the reasoning that humans are 100,000 years old so the link does nothing for the Biblical accounts.
My question to you is regarding the way that time line is measured...is Radiometric/Carbon dating a verified and unchanging/stable method of measuring time.
Is there any chance your 100,000 year assumption could be wrong?

My point with the link isn't so much that the time line measures up with Biblical text....Secular science would never acknowledge the Bible to be accurate in any area where they have established conjecture as fact i.e Carbon Dating.
The point I m trying to make is that there appears to be advanced societies long before Modern Science originally thought.
As someone who believes the Bible to give an accurate account of early Civilization when I read articles like the one above I key in on things that the Bible points to that many Secular Educated Folks may not give much credence to.
Phrases like:
"a wave of human settlements along the shores of the Gulf dating to about 7,500 years ago."

"But how could such highly developed settlements pop up so quickly, with no precursor populations to be found in the archaeological record?"

" that evidence of those preceding populations is missing because it's under the Gulf."

"flooding of the Persian Gulf basin around 8,000 years ago"

"this "Persian Gulf Oasis" may have been host to humans for over 100,000 years before it was swallowed up by the Indian Ocean around 8,000 years ago. "

"Where before there had been but a handful of scattered hunting camps, suddenly, over 60 new archaeological sites appear virtually overnight,"

"Evidence is also emerging that modern humans could have been in the region even before the oasis was above water. "

""The presence of human groups in the oasis fundamentally alters our understanding of human emergence and cultural evolution in the ancient Near East."

Now I know your rolling your eyes at this point thinking that I'm grasping at straws.....but my point wasn't the time lines more he descriptions of cultures and events.

Let me put it into a context that we can both understand.  
Let’s say that some ultra-Liberal-History Altering group of Historians and Sociologists had invested much time and effort into portraying early America as a non gun culture that did not believe in Liberty and the right to keep and bear arms. This culture they say was simply manipulated and overruled by wealthy ruling party of white men who forced the populace into service to increase their own wealth. Now this hypothetical Group of Liberally Educated Folk unearths a hypothetical small community of buildings only to discover that each home had private copies of Thomas Payne’s writings and several firearms.  Of course they wouldn’t alter their entire conjecture based concept of early America to reflect the truth…simply shape the findings to fit their pre conceived theories. Now good freedom loving men like you and I would read about their discovery understanding that there is more to the story than meets the eye. In fact, we would find satisfaction simply in understanding that there is much to support what we have believed all along.

I understand that you’re a product of a culture that makes it a priority to disregard God and ensure there are plenty of ways to make it easier for all those who would like to do the same. But I also know that you love living under the principles that God has established like Moral Absolutes, Justice and Liberty.

So all that said, I understand that we may never see the measuring of Carbon and dating methods in the same light….but it’s not my intent to get you to agree with me on Carbon…but to spark the thought that there just might be a Creator for all that Carbon.