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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:49:13 AM EST

from: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Appeals-Court-to-Hear-Arguments-on-Maryland-Gun-Control-Law-289185621.html

A federal appeals court has set oral arguments over the constitutionality of a Maryland law banning 45 assault weapons and gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia scheduled arguments in the matter for March 24.

In court papers filed Friday, gun-rights advocates say the law violates the Second Amendment and that a federal judge in Baltimore erred when she upheld the law last summer.
Brian Frosh, Maryland's newly sworn-in attorney general and chief sponsor of the law while a state senator, said Monday that the law passes constitutional muster to protect public safety.

"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly
not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''

The law bans 45 assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Maryland lawmakers approved the sweeping legislation in 2013 in response
to the December 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooting left 20 children and six educators dead, and became a rallying point for gun-control efforts.

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Link Posted: 1/21/2015 12:53:34 AM EST
Frosh is obviously a lying ignorant cunt.

Txl
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 1:00:58 AM EST
I get so tired of seeing these drag on forever.
SCOTUS needs to step up & rule that it is a guaranteed right that cannot be infringed in any way just like it is written.
Make it settled law that any bans on firearms, ammo, magazines, or permit restrictions are unconstitutional so that the courts time & billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted on this nonsense.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 1:25:39 AM EST
"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''
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Reminds me of Charles Schumer, 13 years before the DC v. Heller decision:

"Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. The gun lobby and its friends in Congress can line up professors of history and law from here to NRA headquarters and back. They can all swear what they think the Second Amendment means, and how many angels can dance on a pinhead. But the settled law is flatly against them."
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Link Posted: 1/21/2015 1:39:37 AM EST
Lol

The framers could have never imagined the Internet either, yet here we are...

Actually, I'm sure they had a pretty good idea that firearms technology was evolving.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 1:40:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Skibane:


Reminds me of Charles Schumer, 13 years before the DC v. Heller decision:

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Originally Posted By Skibane:
"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''


Reminds me of Charles Schumer, 13 years before the DC v. Heller decision:

"Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. The gun lobby and its friends in Congress can line up professors of history and law from here to NRA headquarters and back. They can all swear what they think the Second Amendment means, and how many angels can dance on a pinhead. But the settled law is flatly against them."

that actually makes me a little sick to my stomach reading that...
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
I get so tired of seeing these drag on forever.
SCOTUS needs to step up & rule that it is a guaranteed right that cannot be infringed in any way just like it is written.
Make it settled law that any bans on firearms, ammo, magazines, or permit restrictions are unconstitutional so that the courts time & billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted on this nonsense.
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The sad reality is that SCOTUS has shown no willingness to take on the 2A issue again.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 6:44:37 AM EST
In MD good luck. You'd have better luck teaching them to drive.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 6:45:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
I get so tired of seeing these drag on forever.
SCOTUS needs to step up & rule that it is a guaranteed right that cannot be infringed in any way just like it is written.
Make it settled law that any bans on firearms, ammo, magazines, or permit restrictions are unconstitutional so that the courts time & billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted on this nonsense.
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I bet that alone could resuscitate our economy.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 6:47:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:


The sad reality is that SCOTUS has shown no willingness to take on the 2A issue again.
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By shocktrp:
I get so tired of seeing these drag on forever.
SCOTUS needs to step up & rule that it is a guaranteed right that cannot be infringed in any way just like it is written.
Make it settled law that any bans on firearms, ammo, magazines, or permit restrictions are unconstitutional so that the courts time & billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted on this nonsense.


The sad reality is that SCOTUS has shown no willingness to take on the 2A issue again.



Help Us, Justice Roberts, You’re Our Only Hope....

Really? Careful what you wish for.



Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
In MD good luck. You'd have better luck teaching them to drive.


LOL....
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:03:32 AM EST
Mean while in the great state of MD I can still buy a stripped lower, ...........cray







Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:28:35 AM EST
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Mean while in the great state of MD I can still buy a stripped lower, ...........cray







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What can you do with it?
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:32:05 AM EST
I think that as a general rule any law of any kind that has such a specific and arbitrary list is probably a steaming pile of shit.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:38:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
I get so tired of seeing these drag on forever.
SCOTUS needs to step up & rule that it is a guaranteed right that cannot be infringed in any way just like it is written.
Make it settled law that any bans on firearms, ammo, magazines, or permit restrictions are unconstitutional so that the courts time & billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted on this nonsense.
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Please remember that Roberts is compromised.......
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:38:44 AM EST
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This is the weasel dick douche nozzle that we are dealing with.. blocked pro guns bills from being heard, tyrannically pushed SB281 through, voted against mandatory minimum sentences for sex offenders (Jessica's Law). Now the new MD AG.

Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:41:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:

from: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Appeals-Court-to-Hear-Arguments-on-Maryland-Gun-Control-Law-289185621.html

A federal appeals court has set oral arguments over the constitutionality of a Maryland law banning 45 assault weapons and gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia scheduled arguments in the matter for March 24.

In court papers filed Friday, gun-rights advocates say the law violates the Second Amendment and that a federal judge in Baltimore erred when she upheld the law last summer.
Brian Frosh, Maryland's newly sworn-in attorney general and chief sponsor of the law while a state senator, said Monday that the law passes constitutional muster to protect public safety.

"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly
not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''

The law bans 45 assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Maryland lawmakers approved the sweeping legislation in 2013 in response
to the December 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooting left 20 children and six educators dead, and became a rallying point for gun-control efforts.

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Where again in the Constitution does it say anything about public safety?
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:45:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Frosh is obviously a lying ignorant cunt.

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That about sums it up. Now that O'Malley is gone, Frosh is probably the man most despised by gun owners in the state of MD.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 7:54:19 AM EST
I encourage everyone who lives in MD to leave, and try not to do business with firms located there. Cut off the statists' source of "revenue," taxes.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:12:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:



What can you do with it?
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Mean while in the great state of MD I can still buy a stripped lower, ...........cray






What can you do with it?



AR pistol or HBAR.

AR standard profile barrel = baby killer
HBAR = not baby killer
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:27:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bblake00:



AR pistol or HBAR.

AR standard profile barrel = baby killer
HBAR = not baby killer
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Originally Posted By bblake00:
Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Mean while in the great state of MD I can still buy a stripped lower, ...........cray






What can you do with it?



AR pistol or HBAR.

AR standard profile barrel = baby killer
HBAR = not baby killer

It's fo the chillren!
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:29:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:33:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SilverSlinger:
I encourage everyone who lives in MD to leave, and try not to do business with firms located there. Cut off the statists' source of "revenue," taxes.
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Well, the source of the liberal power base income is the federal gov. Chop off PG and Montgomery county and MD likely goes solid R
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:35:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
I get so tired of seeing these drag on forever.
SCOTUS needs to step up & rule that it is a guaranteed right that cannot be infringed in any way just like it is written.
Make it settled law that any bans on firearms, ammo, magazines, or permit restrictions are unconstitutional so that the courts time & billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted on this nonsense.
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They haven't had the opportunity to hear such a case yet. It will happen though. Give it time.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:37:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:

"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly
not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''
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Then take them away from EVERY SINGLE government agent in Maryland, too. Surely they don't need them, either.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:38:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tyrendeth:


Where again in the Constitution does it say anything about public safety?
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Originally Posted By Tyrendeth:
Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:

from: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Appeals-Court-to-Hear-Arguments-on-Maryland-Gun-Control-Law-289185621.html

A federal appeals court has set oral arguments over the constitutionality of a Maryland law banning 45 assault weapons and gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia scheduled arguments in the matter for March 24.

In court papers filed Friday, gun-rights advocates say the law violates the Second Amendment and that a federal judge in Baltimore erred when she upheld the law last summer.
Brian Frosh, Maryland's newly sworn-in attorney general and chief sponsor of the law while a state senator, said Monday that the law passes constitutional muster to protect public safety.

"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly
not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''

The law bans 45 assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Maryland lawmakers approved the sweeping legislation in 2013 in response
to the December 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooting left 20 children and six educators dead, and became a rallying point for gun-control efforts.

(more at above link)


Where again in the Constitution does it say anything about public safety?


Well both intermediate and strict scrutiny review include a review of a state's reasons for infringing a right -- public safety being one such reason or "need" or motivating factor. The constitution doesn't mention it but neither does it mention judicial review. They are both part of our common law as it has evolved over centuries of jurisprudence.
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Originally Posted By hellmann9655:

Well, the source of the liberal power base income is the federal gov. Chop off PG and Montgomery county and MD likely goes solid R
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Originally Posted By SilverSlinger:
I encourage everyone who lives in MD to leave, and try not to do business with firms located there. Cut off the statists' source of "revenue," taxes.

Well, the source of the liberal power base income is the federal gov. Chop off PG and Montgomery county and MD likely goes solid R


We need to create a new state called "Hellhole", where we combine those two counties in MD with Fairfax, Arlington, and Alexandria in VA. It would solve so many problems.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:55:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bblake00:



AR pistol or HBAR.

AR standard profile barrel = baby killer
HBAR = not baby killer
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Originally Posted By bblake00:
Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By Garby0331:
Mean while in the great state of MD I can still buy a stripped lower, ...........cray






What can you do with it?



AR pistol or HBAR.

AR standard profile barrel = baby killer
HBAR = not baby killer
Because HBAR is so much less of a bullet hose

Link Posted: 1/21/2015 8:58:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SilverSlinger:
I encourage everyone who lives in MD to leave, and try not to do business with firms located there. Cut off the statists' source of "revenue," taxes.
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I did, 3 years ago and will never look back!!
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:01:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LibertyUberAlles:


Well both intermediate and strict scrutiny review include a review of a state's reasons for infringing a right -- public safety being one such reason or "need" or motivating factor. The constitution doesn't mention it but neither does it mention judicial review. They are both part of our common law as it has evolved over centuries of jurisprudence.
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Originally Posted By LibertyUberAlles:
Originally Posted By Tyrendeth:
SNIP


Where again in the Constitution does it say anything about public safety?


Well both intermediate and strict scrutiny review include a review of a state's reasons for infringing a right -- public safety being one such reason or "need" or motivating factor. The constitution doesn't mention it but neither does it mention judicial review. They are both part of our common law as it has evolved over centuries of jurisprudence.
I would point out that the 2nd Amendment is the only amendment to include the terms "shall not" and "infringe." Which IMO is stricter language than "make no law." I would also point out that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was the right of the people to overthrow a bad government, which will always pose a safety risk to the government, but is still the right of the people.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:05:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:

from: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Appeals-Court-to-Hear-Arguments-on-Maryland-Gun-Control-Law-289185621.html

A federal appeals court has set oral arguments over the constitutionality of a Maryland law banning 45 assault weapons and gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia scheduled arguments in the matter for March 24.

In court papers filed Friday, gun-rights advocates say the law violates the Second Amendment and that a federal judge in Baltimore erred when she upheld the law last summer.
Brian Frosh, Maryland's newly sworn-in attorney general and chief sponsor of the law while a state senator, said Monday that the law passes constitutional muster to protect public safety.

"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly
not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''

The law bans 45 assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Maryland lawmakers approved the sweeping legislation in 2013 in response
to the December 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooting left 20 children and six educators dead, and became a rallying point for gun-control efforts.

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I swear, whenever a politician from EITHER side of the aisle says "common sense", I immediately discount whatever they are saying and hear "My opinion counts more than yours so I'm going to violate the law in order to force my agenda down your throat."

Do they teach politicians to say that when they go to politician training? It's like the first rule they learn. "If you want to spout bullshit, just call it common sense, whether it is or not."

Retards.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:07:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Steve_T_M:
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Agreed.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:14:05 AM EST
Too bad the 4th has such a bad record in terms of gun rights. Out of 15 judges that sit on the court 9 of them were appointed by democrat presidents including a chief justice appointed by clinton, and seven of them were appointed by Obama.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:18:17 AM EST
Unfortunately, the Fourth Circuit has been all progged up to the point that it rivals the Nutty Ninth. If you were able to reassemble the Fourth of forty years ago, this would be a tap-in win. Now, it's a waste of time, except as a necessary step to get a chance to file a writ.
Link Posted: 1/21/2015 9:21:02 AM EST
I and most of my friends, 50 years ago, would have lost a bet if someone insisted this country would become so fucked up in the future.
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Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Frosh is obviously a lying ignorant cunt.

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Having testified before Frosh when he was the Judiciary chairman that unilaterally killed any attempt at shall-issue in MD, FPNI.

Kharn

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Originally Posted By 1911lover:
I and most of my friends, 50 years ago, would have lost a bet if someone insisted this country would become so fucked up in the future.
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We got screwed back in the 1930's
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Originally Posted By Skibane:

Reminds me of Charles Schumer, 13 years before the DC v. Heller decision:

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Originally Posted By Skibane:
"I think this is a common-sense test,'' Frosh told The Daily Record. "The Second Amendment does not protect assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. It's certainly not what the framers of the Constitution intended when they drafted the Second Amendment.''

Reminds me of Charles Schumer, 13 years before the DC v. Heller decision:

"Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. The gun lobby and its friends in Congress can line up professors of history and law from here to NRA headquarters and back. They can all swear what they think the Second Amendment means, and how many angels can dance on a pinhead. But the settled law is flatly against them."


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Originally Posted By TxLewis:
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Txl
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Indeed.

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