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Posted: 11/16/2014 7:34:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/16/2014 9:54:16 PM EST by Paulie771]
Did you trade in the first gen scope for a newer generation? If so, how did you do it? I keep reading about people doing it but can't find anything online regarding procedure or who to contact now that Gibbs is out of that particular game. I've tried contacting Hi-lux but haven't heard anything back from them yet.

Otherwise, what do you think of your rifle? I just picked mine up and haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Would love to trade this first gen POS "scope" for one of the newer/est ones, but I'm afraid they've stopped the trade in program.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 7:41:44 PM EST
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:00:35 PM EST
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Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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How fast do your followup shots need to be at 500-600 yards? OP bought what he liked. Presumably because it was in stock and legal when he wanted it and had the money. Perfectly valid reasons to buy something.

You want impractical? I bought a Hipoint 4595 last weekend.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:08:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By shack357:

How fast do your followup shots need to be at 500-600 yards? OP bought what he liked. Presumably because it was in stock and legal when he wanted it and had the money. Perfectly valid reasons to buy something.

You want impractical? I bought a Hipoint 4595 last weekend.
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.

How fast do your followup shots need to be at 500-600 yards? OP bought what he liked. Presumably because it was in stock and legal when he wanted it and had the money. Perfectly valid reasons to buy something.

You want impractical? I bought a Hipoint 4595 last weekend.
No dean to get a HiPoint when you can have a used 92FS. YOU HAVE TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE!
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:13:53 PM EST
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Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?
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I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?
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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?

Just ignore it. He's obviously never experienced the sheer JOY of an 03.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:19:02 PM EST
I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:19:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:

Just ignore it. He's obviously never experienced the sheer JOY of an 03.
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?

Just ignore it. He's obviously never experienced the sheer JOY of an 03.
No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:20:33 PM EST
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No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?

Just ignore it. He's obviously never experienced the sheer JOY of an 03.
No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html

...but...we all KNOW the Mini 14 sucks....that's why this isn't "Mini14.com".
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:23:57 PM EST
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I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away
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Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly the second gen (M73G2) was substantially better and the newest generation is quite good and uses modern methods, coated glass, nitrogen purging, much better range of motion in the drums, etc (basically a modern scope made to look like an original instead of a straight up clone like the G1).

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timney Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.

Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:26:06 PM EST
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Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly, the newest generation (G4) and the one previous to it (G2) were substantially better.

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timeny Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.

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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away


Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly, the newest generation (G4) and the one previous to it (G2) were substantially better.

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timeny Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.





Well I think you just sold me on it lol
I'm not sure what gen it is but he is only asking $750 for it but he is an older guy and slowly selling his collection so now what I know they are worth I will give him more money for it as I don't want to screw him

Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:27:38 PM EST
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Well I think you just sold me on it lol
I'm not sure what gen it is but he is only asking $750 for it

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Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away


Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly, the newest generation (G4) and the one previous to it (G2) were substantially better.

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timeny Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.





Well I think you just sold me on it lol
I'm not sure what gen it is but he is only asking $750 for it


Not a bad price at all.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:28:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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So you need quick follow up shots on paper and steel?

You must be tactical as hell
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:28:27 PM EST
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No dean to get a HiPoint when you can have a used 92FS. YOU HAVE TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE!
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Originally Posted By shack357:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.

How fast do your followup shots need to be at 500-600 yards? OP bought what he liked. Presumably because it was in stock and legal when he wanted it and had the money. Perfectly valid reasons to buy something.

You want impractical? I bought a Hipoint 4595 last weekend.
No dean to get a HiPoint when you can have a used 92FS. YOU HAVE TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE!

Used 92FS is not a carbine, and does not fire .45ACP.
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So you need quick follow up shots on paper and steel?

You must be tactical as hell
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


So you need quick follow up shots on paper and steel?

You must be tactical as hell


Obvious troll is obvious. Don't feed him.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 9:01:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:




Well I think you just sold me on it lol
I'm not sure what gen it is but he is only asking $750 for it but he is an older guy and slowly selling his collection so now what I know they are worth I will give him more money for it as I don't want to screw him

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Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away


Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly, the newest generation (G4) and the one previous to it (G2) were substantially better.

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timeny Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.





Well I think you just sold me on it lol
I'm not sure what gen it is but he is only asking $750 for it but he is an older guy and slowly selling his collection so now what I know they are worth I will give him more money for it as I don't want to screw him



I wish I could've found one for that price. Here's a review you might want to watch over it (I believe this has a second gen scope) by Arfcom's very own Sturmgewehr (MAC):
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 9:04:14 PM EST
I got one because I have crates of Greek ammo. The crap scope came off and a Leopold 1-4 went on it.

4-5 inch groups at 300 yards off bags.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 9:05:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:

Just ignore it. He's obviously never experienced the sheer JOY of an 03.
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?

Just ignore it. He's obviously never experienced the sheer JOY of an 03.

Yup. I have a James River Armory restored Smith-Corona '03A3 with a Criterion match grade barrel. It's fucking ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By Paulie771:


Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly the second gen (M73G2) was substantially better and the newest generation is quite good and uses modern methods, coated glass, nitrogen purging, much better range of motion in the drums, etc (basically a modern scope made to look like an original instead of a straight up clone like the G1).

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timney Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.

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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away


Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly the second gen (M73G2) was substantially better and the newest generation is quite good and uses modern methods, coated glass, nitrogen purging, much better range of motion in the drums, etc (basically a modern scope made to look like an original instead of a straight up clone like the G1).

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timney Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.



I bought one, specifically for my 1903, never shot it but when it came they included a warning saying the windage and elevation turrets had been reversed.
I should have traded it for a new one for free when they were offering it.
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I bought one, specifically for my 1903, never shot it but when it came they included a warning saying the windage and elevation turrets had been reversed.
I should have traded it for a new one for free when they were offering it.
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Originally Posted By Gunnerpalace:
Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By MILLERLGT82:
I don't have an answer but a friend has one he is thinking of selling.
Are they any good or should I walk away


Haven't shot mine yet. Just picked it up yesterday. The first generation scopes were horrible Chi-com crap that fell apart in recoil. Supposedly the second gen (M73G2) was substantially better and the newest generation is quite good and uses modern methods, coated glass, nitrogen purging, much better range of motion in the drums, etc (basically a modern scope made to look like an original instead of a straight up clone like the G1).

As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timney Sportsman. If you plan on shooting a vintage sniper rifle match, you have to leave them pretty much as is. If you aren't and you want them to be as accurate as possible, you can bed them like every other rifle and it seems to help a lot. I plan on doing that to mine.

I don't know what you're friend will want for his. They sold for $1000-1200 depending on when and who you got it from. I was happy to get mine for $1000 on Gunbroker. If you can get it for less and it has a newer generation scope, I'd say go for it.



I bought one, specifically for my 1903, never shot it but when it came they included a warning saying the windage and elevation turrets had been reversed.
I should have traded it for a new one for free when they were offering it.


Did they stop offering the trade in program? That will seriously dampen my enthusiasm for this rifle until I can scratch up the cash for a new gen 4. I was hoping to trade this G1 in and perhaps pay a bit extra to get the newest version.
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I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?


Are we talking normal boring Hitler Nazi's or more of the sexy, jackboots, leather and lace Nazi's?
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Are we talking normal boring Hitler Nazi's or more of the sexy, jackboots, leather and lace Nazi's?
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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.


I have a fantasy of shooting Nazi's in the face. What's so wrong with that? Why must you piss on my dreams!?


Are we talking normal boring Hitler Nazi's or more of the sexy, jackboots, leather and lace Nazi's?


I guess it depends on what we're shooting them in the face with...
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Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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I know it's weird but some people buy certain guns because they think they're cool and interesting, and not because they're the most practical tier 1 operator platform.
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No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html
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No, you're just getting butthurt and dumping all over the OP's thread because people see a lot of aesthetic and historical value in a 1903 and practical value in AR's, and not much of either in your Mini.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 9:40:59 PM EST
I had one and sold it. It had a Criterion barrel and beautiful wood. I put an original Weaver with post reticle on it.
Sweet, sweet rifle, way more accurate than me.
I will have another, thinking of sending my Remington 03A3 to the smith in Colorado that builds them and have him put an original mount on it.
I kept the Weaver when I sold the Gibbs.
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No, you're just getting butthurt and dumping all over the OP's thread because people see a lot of aesthetic and historical value in a 1903 and practical value in AR's, and not much of either in your Mini.
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html


No, you're just getting butthurt and dumping all over the OP's thread because people see a lot of aesthetic and historical value in a 1903 and practical value in AR's, and not much of either in your Mini.
It's GD and I was simply using OP to make a point that it's ok to like something even if it's not the most tactical and the cheapest.
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It's GD and I was simply using OP to make a point that it's ok to like something even if it's not the most tactical and the cheapest.
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Originally Posted By boltcatch:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html


No, you're just getting butthurt and dumping all over the OP's thread because people see a lot of aesthetic and historical value in a 1903 and practical value in AR's, and not much of either in your Mini.
It's GD and I was simply using OP to make a point that it's ok to like something even if it's not the most tactical and the cheapest.


Point made. Can we get this back to the 1903A4 I posted my question about, please?
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Point made. Can we get this back to the 1903A4 I posted my question about, please?
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Originally Posted By boltcatch:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html


No, you're just getting butthurt and dumping all over the OP's thread because people see a lot of aesthetic and historical value in a 1903 and practical value in AR's, and not much of either in your Mini.
It's GD and I was simply using OP to make a point that it's ok to like something even if it's not the most tactical and the cheapest.


Point made. Can we get this back to the 1903A4 I posted my question about, please?
Yes we can. The 1903A4 looks like a really sweet setup and I wish I had one. The closest I have is an 03 MK I, but obviously it's not scoped. Sorry for the hijack.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 12:30:47 AM EST
...and now i want to finish my 03A3 project....thanks a lot, OP.




Based on the MAC video....assuming like quality for all production guns....I'd go for it....
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Yes we can. The 1903A4 looks like a really sweet setup and I wish I had one. The closest I have is an 03 MK I, but obviously it's not scoped. Sorry for the hijack.
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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Originally Posted By boltcatch:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
No, I am just proving a point. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1687232_The_Mini_14_sucks.html


No, you're just getting butthurt and dumping all over the OP's thread because people see a lot of aesthetic and historical value in a 1903 and practical value in AR's, and not much of either in your Mini.
It's GD and I was simply using OP to make a point that it's ok to like something even if it's not the most tactical and the cheapest.


Point made. Can we get this back to the 1903A4 I posted my question about, please?
Yes we can. The 1903A4 looks like a really sweet setup and I wish I had one. The closest I have is an 03 MK I, but obviously it's not scoped. Sorry for the hijack.


No worries. I understand your frustration sometimes.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 9:10:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
...and now i want to finish my 03A3 project....thanks a lot, OP.




Based on the MAC video....assuming like quality for all production guns....I'd go for it....
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Only complaint I've ever read or heard were on the first run of scopes and the trigger not being the nicest. They seem to really own the vintage rifle matches that are popular right now.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 9:48:28 AM EST
One big thing to check on these is the scope base screws. Mine were not only loose, but too short. Replaced them and loctite and all was fine. My first scope blew apart and they replaced it. Was not aware that they were done making them. I look forward to the value increase soon.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 9:55:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By P08:
One big thing to check on these is the scope base screws. Mine were not only loose, but too short. Replaced them and loctite and all was fine. My first scope blew apart and they replaced it. Was not aware that they were done making them. I look forward to the value increase soon.
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Gibbs was bought out by Creedmore. They sell them for $1200 now. Someone else sells them under a different name, JFA or something like that? All are made by the same factory I believe though.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:08:22 AM EST
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I bought my 03A4orgery from Creedmoor. It had a M73G2 (second generation) on it that was blurry. I sent the whole rifle back to RRMW (Rock Ridge Machine Works - makers of these) because the bolt handle modification looked like a 2 year old with a die grinder did the work. They smoothed it out and replaced the scope with a M73G4 (newest gen).

I subsequently sold the scope, mount and rings and bought a Redfield mount and found a Lyman Alaskan with correct rings on a pre-64 Mod 70 Winchester at a local shop. Bought the scope and rings and that is what I have been using. 10X better than the 330 knock off.

So I would say, sell the 330 and rings and buy one of the M82 reproductions, or even one of the M84 reproductions. Much better scopes by design.

My 03A4orgery has been heavily modified. New stock, 1903 trigger guard / floor plate, Lyman Alaskan, trigger work. It's a very accurate rifle and the CMP Vintage Sniper match is an absolute blast. I highly recommend it.

I am currently putting together a 1941 USMC clone with the 8X Unertl for next year.


Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:18:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jaroot:
I bought my 03A4orgery from Creedmoor. It had a M73G2 (second generation) on it that was blurry. I sent the whole rifle back to RRMW (Rock Ridge Machine Works - makers of these) because the bolt handle modification looked like a 2 year old with a die grinder did the work. They smoothed it out and replaced the scope with a M73G4 (newest gen).

I subsequently sold the scope, mount and rings and bought a Redfield mount and found a Lyman Alaskan with correct rings on a pre-64 Mod 70 Winchester at a local shop. Bought the scope and rings and that is what I have been using. 10X better than the 330 knock off.

So I would say, sell the 330 and rings and buy one of the M82 reproductions, or even one of the M84 reproductions. Much better scopes by design.

My 03A4orgery has been heavily modified. New stock, 1903 trigger guard / floor plate, Lyman Alaskan, trigger work. It's a very accurate rifle and the CMP Vintage Sniper match is an absolute blast. I highly recommend it.

I am currently putting together a 1941 USMC clone with the 8X Unertl for next year.


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I have seen where Hi-lux is offering the USMC 8x Unertl now. Have you seen or heard from anyone at matches that use it? If I have to buy my own, I'd rather have the higher mag and better eye relief, even if it's not a true A1 clone.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:22:56 AM EST
I ordered mine last night from Optics Planet. They currently have the 8X (EE suffix part number) on sale for $457 delivered (call or chat with a rep to get the code). Obviously you have to have a straight 1903 to put it on and you must drill and tap the barrel and receiver to accept the mounts. I bought a set of Steve Earle reproduction Unertl O & E blocks rather than use the blocks supplied with the 8X.

There were quite a few 8X Hi-Lux Unertl clones on the line at CP last year. Considering that a real 1 or 1.25 inch objective 8X Unertl will sell for 3X what the repro sells for and the repro will have better glass, it is a no brainer. The match winners were using 1941 USMC sniper clones and they may have very well been using the Hi-Lux knock-offs.


Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:24:38 AM EST
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Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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Haley pants.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:25:02 AM EST
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The M73 sucks. The copies are fantastic copies of a shitty scope.

Dump that POS and put a Lyman Alaskan on there, like jaroot suggests.

The M73 belongs in a garbage can.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:37:16 AM EST
Not to hijack a thread ... however I have a 1903A4 from my fathers collection that I am in need of selling for my mother...
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 10:51:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By phonegunner:
Not to hijack a thread ... however I have a 1903A4 from my fathers collection that I am in need of selling for my mother...
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If you have pics, hijack away!
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 11:34:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By phonegunner:
Not to hijack a thread ... however I have a 1903A4 from my fathers collection that I am in need of selling for my mother...
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I'll give you $100
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 11:40:24 AM EST
If I wanted one, I'd make my own (I have access to a mill with which I could drill and tap a receiver).
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 11:57:26 AM EST
I have one and love it. One of the best triggers on any of my rifles and that's saying a lot. Mine consistently holds 1 moa or better at 100 yds as it came. I shoot exclusively the privy rounds made for the m1 garand, 1903.
Hands down my favorite rifle. the weight takes all the recoil out. I even like the small scope for my old eyes. Everyone who has shot it wants one now. Its not a safe queen, I shoot it regularly, and even will hunt with it. Hard to find modern rifles with the same sex appeal.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 12:00:58 PM EST
I put an original leather sling on it, no cheekpad as I have a huge head. shoot quality ammo in it, nothing corrosive and you will have a keeper for life. Every one of my friends who have shot it love it and want one of their own.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 12:02:46 PM EST
also don't trade out your trigger, just use it and itll get better, or simply stone and rouge it.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 12:15:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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Because he only anticipates needing one shot... which is all I've ever needed with a scoped '03 and 168gr ballistic silvertips.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 12:18:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Paulie771:
As for shooting, everything I've read says they are quite accurate. New barrels and stocks and all that. The trigger on mine is pretty heavy, but that's easily remedied with a $55 Timney Sportsman.
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A Timney trigger would require the trigger guard slot to be opened up. If you're going to start down that path you'd be better off to find a nice sporter '03 or 03A3.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 12:20:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Why would you get that? An AR-10 is much more reliable and accurate than an old and obsolete bolt action that can't even shoot fast or have quick follow up shots. Heck, a mini-14 would be more practical.
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Because some people like to hit the broad side of a barn at distances greater than 50 yards.

Also some people just need one shot.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 1:40:46 PM EST
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For as simplistic as the trigger is in the 03 / 03A3 / 1917, etc rifles they can be tuned quite well. My 03A4orgery has a good 2 lb first stage that comes against a solid wall, breaks the 2nd stage at 2 3/4 lbs (2 1/2 min for competition) and has very little detectable creep. It is quite repeatable. Parts are pretty readily available and easily replaced if you screw the whole thing up.

As far as anyone saying these rifles are not accurate... well... This was from some load development with mine. 175 SMK's, HXP 77 brass, IMR 4350, CCI BR primer




Link Posted: 11/17/2014 4:56:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jaroot:
For as simplistic as the trigger is in the 03 / 03A3 / 1917, etc rifles they can be tuned quite well. My 03A4orgery has a good 2 lb first stage that comes against a solid wall, breaks the 2nd stage at 2 3/4 lbs (2 1/2 min for competition) and has very little detectable creep. It is quite repeatable. Parts are pretty readily available and easily replaced if you screw the whole thing up.

As far as anyone saying these rifles are not accurate... well... This was from some load development with mine. 175 SMK's, HXP 77 brass, IMR 4350, CCI BR primer

http://jarootfarms.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_03A4_Test_2_Load_1.jpg



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Nice shooting! I'm pretty excited to find a load this one likes.

Unfortunately, to answer my OP: Hi-lux doesn't offer the trade in program any longer. I need to decide where to go from here.
Link Posted: 11/17/2014 5:00:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ERNURSE:
also don't trade out your trigger, just use it and itll get better, or simply stone and rouge it.
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This. Tuning a 1903/A3/A4 trigger is super easy. Lightly stone it and then polish it, you can get it to break like a glass rod.
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