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Posted: 10/8/2007 10:38:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:31:40 PM EDT
[#1]
Yeah he's a shitbird. What else is new?
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:49:12 PM EDT
[#2]
Some of us manage to get educations despite the publick skewl sistem. |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:53:03 PM EDT
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Nah, it's the shitty parenting. Public schools are what you make of them. If you're there to learn, you'll learn. If you're there to goof off and you don't have any dicipline and you end up dropping out - that's the parents fault for not beating your ass when they saw your initial bad grades on your report card. 
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:53:56 PM EDT
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I thought Greenspan and Ayn Rand were buddies back in the day?
What the hell happened? |
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Posted: 10/8/2007 11:55:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Time honored tactic of corrupt governments everywhere. Edited for crappy spelling. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 12:22:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2007 12:27:29 AM EDT
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Presenile dementia. Oh, wait. Senile.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 1:11:11 AM EDT
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Unfortunately he's right again... He talks about opening the borders for SKILLED labor not the average illegal immigrant of today.
Like it or not guys, other countries are getting skilled labor at a lower rate. That puts us at a disadvantage in the global market place. Let's say I want to build cars here. Labor is going to cost me $35 an hour plus another 40% for benefits. I can build a car in Mexico with $10/hr labor. Do the math. I can also get rid of a problem employee in Mexico that I would have trouble with in the US. The problems with doing business in a foreign country are not insignificant but neither is the reduced labor cost. I don't know about you guys but I would rather have some jobs than no jobs. With the reduced value of the dollar RIGHT NOW we could take back manufacturing jobs. No matter how much we would all like to we can't pay everyone as much as they would like... |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 2:55:24 AM EDT
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Fuck you, Alan.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 2:57:55 AM EDT
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Or are they? Currency exchange rates make up the huge difference in cost of labor. Dollars have historically been in high demand in China and India. So we should take the entire educated class in the USA and tell them to go back to school because the jobs they've trained for can be filled cheaper by imported labor? Every other country has barriers to trade and employment. If its such a great idea why not get India and China fully on board? Come back when they're at least at parity with our markets. Oh, please make sure that you force them to protect American intellectual property too. Free trade only works when everyone plays by the same rules. Pissing away our middle class, ripping the bottom out of unskilled labor and trades, and allowing foreign goods to be dumped at below cost is not healthy. Its not producing healthy competition either. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:06:04 AM EDT
[#11]
Income inequality, eh, Alan?
I don't see you giving your fortune to the poor.... 
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:25:02 AM EDT
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They get paid enough. Make the teachers union illegal. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:27:15 AM EDT
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I hate these friggin "elites" that like to pontificate on how their socialist/communist opinions of how our country should work apply to us but not to themselves. When was the last time Greenspan had his pickup hit in the grocery store parking lot by a truck load of drunk illegals and had to deal with it?
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:35:29 AM EDT
[#14]
hey greenspan,
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:40:46 AM EDT
[#15]
Those sources suck. The Huffington post is chock full 'o commie propaganda. I am at work and cant listen to the video clip, but I would be suprised if it is not taken out of context.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:49:05 AM EDT
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Come on now. They can't do any of those things because it would not fit with their plans which happen to be working very nicely. And please do not startle the herd! |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:50:00 AM EDT
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Well there you go, for all of the people who say, "If you want to learn basket weaving and theory then go to college," these are going to be the people you are competing with for jobs. I only recommend education beyond high school (especially public) to people so that they can be more marketable. So many people are convinced it's a waste of time.
It's unfortunate though because once all of these outside workers start coming in with skills, the ability to speak at least two languages and are willing to accept lower wages the people who felt so smug with their GED or high school diploma will be the most competitive for jobs. City pensions don't seem to be helping people either. Two retired Philly cops just got killed working as armored car guards. Do you not want to actually retire when you retire? I know a Philadelphia fire fighter and two PPD officers taking classes now while they work. Two are going for nursing and one for diagnostic medical imaging. These are skills that are going to make and keep them marketable. One other thing about learning "cultural diversity," the "only" other thing you learn in college according to some. Cultural diversity is meant to encourage people to see the world through other people's viewpoints. I can't see anything wrong with trying to put myself in someone else's shoes to see his point of view. I do however find it impossible to see the point of view of victimizers and psychopaths. Still, a simple language course can usually satisfy the cultural diversity requirement even sign language. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 3:51:47 AM EDT
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there is a massive shortage of SKILLED labor in this country, if we can't fill those jobs we'd be better off importing the workers over exporting the jobs.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 5:18:41 AM EDT
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Pretty un cool to fake quote me. 
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Posted: 10/9/2007 5:56:19 AM EDT
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Are you suggesting that Rand was an advocate of protectionist labor markets? |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 5:57:59 AM EDT
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I fail to see see what that has to do with the topic at hand. Even if he were talking unskilled labor - allowing enough LEGAL unskilled labor to meet the demand, would allow us to more effectively police those who come here illegally. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:02:36 AM EDT
[#22]
+1 |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:08:28 AM EDT
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So our schools suck, so rather than fix the education system, we should import smart people and pay them less? Was he drunk when he said this? |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:11:14 AM EDT
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in california they want exams to be in spanish! WTF?
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:11:58 AM EDT
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Marxist? Free trade in labor is not a Marxist concept - it's anything but. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:42:24 AM EDT
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I saw a chick on the news recently discussing her bright future. She was in her second year of college and was taking "pre-algebra". I had that in the 7th grade........... Hell....handcart..........
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:49:13 AM EDT
[#27]
EXACTLY. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 6:54:57 AM EDT
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I see the "I don't know anything about economics and am proud to flaunt my ignorance" crowd has arrived.
So how many who oppose what Greenspan said are going to line up to advocate DK-Prof's removal from the US? He is one of those highly educated foreigners that Greenspan advocates allowing into the country.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:06:30 AM EDT
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Reread Greenspans words, think about it. Then look at what you typed. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:13:29 AM EDT
[#30]
I did read Greenspan's words. DK-Prof teaches Organizational Behavior at an American university. He came from another country in order to do so. Greenspan is advocating that we allow such highly qualified people into our country with fewer restrictions in order to compensate for our current inability to produce enough of them ourselves. Greenspan was NOT talking about letting in a bunch of illiterate dishwasher and fry cooks.  Even if someone waved a magic wand today and created a perfect education system, it will take 1 to 2 DECADES for the people brought up through this new system to reach the job market with their newly minted technical skills. In the meantime, are we supposed to fall behind other countries? In case you missed it, our nation has always been quite accepting of talented foreigners. It is one of our great strengths.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:15:15 AM EDT
[#31]
Well, at least there are two people with consistency in this thread. You have always been a laissez faire type so your support of Greenspan's remarks is no surprise. I on the other hand have been saying for a couple of years now that free trade, offshoring and increased immigration were a three pronged attack to reduce the standard of living in the United States. Do you guys believe me now? |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:20:01 AM EDT
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Why would he? Those wages have already his rock bottom. What Greenspan wants to do now is flood the job market with Pakistanis, educated Mexicans and people from other dirt poor third world shitholes where running waters is only for the rich, so that they can force down wages for technology, medical and other technical fields so that they can turn all of the middle class neighborhoods into ghettos. Guys in his income bracket are quite safe though. I assure you that no one has any intention of allowing Pakistani CEOs and such into the country. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:21:04 AM EDT
[#33]
He needs to be cockpunched to unconsciousness or death.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:22:54 AM EDT
[#34]
You read all THAT into Greenspan's statement about allowing in more educated foreigners? Wow, just... wow. 
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:26:30 AM EDT
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Yeah. Let me show you.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:28:38 AM EDT
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Did you read this part??? "and as a consequence of that we would lower the average wage of skills and reduce the degree of income inequality in this country." He want's to import skilled labor, who will accept less, in order to reduce wages across the board. The value of the dollar dosn't change, so Middle class professional America becomes that much more poor. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:29:30 AM EDT
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Well, technically, he is correct. And yes, it does make me sick. Skilled workers are already being replaced by legal and semi-legal immigrants. Our "non-skilled" workers are being replaced with illegals. Worker wages are being reduced by immigration across the board. Whether or not this is a good thing is a matter of perspective. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:37:42 AM EDT
[#38]
 We pay those f-ckers too much. Get rid of the union and hold them accountable for the product they produce. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:39:37 AM EDT
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Just curious, I wonder how much it costs to get that skilled education in Kasvakestan (hypothetical Asian country).
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:40:17 AM EDT
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Yeah, if you're a middle class or upper middle class American then it's a bad thing because your standard of living just fell through the floor. If you're in the upper echelon of a corporation then it's a good thing because you can increase your profits, get a fat bonus and have a bigger pool of the corporations' money to imbezzel from. If you're poor, then all of the sudden you are keeping up with the Joneses. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:42:01 AM EDT
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"What I want to fix your attention on is the vast overall movement towards the discrediting, and finally the elimination, of every kind of human excellence -- moral, cultural, social or intellectual. And is it not pretty to notice how 'democracy' (in the incantatory sense) is now doing for us the work that was once done by the most ancient dictatorships, and by the same methods? The basic proposal of the new education is to be that dunces and idlers must not be made to feel inferior to intelligent and industrious pupils. That would be 'undemocratic.' Children who are fit to proceed may be artificially kept back, because the others would get a trauma by being left behind. The bright pupil thus remains democratically fettered to his own age group throughout his school career, and a boy who would be capable of tackling Aeschylus or Dante sits listening to his coeval's [of the same age] attempts to spell out A CAT SAT ON A MAT. We may reasonably hope for the virtual abolition of education when 'I'm as good as you' has fully had its way. All incentives to learn and all penalties for not learning will vanish. The few who might want to learn will be prevented; who are they to overtop their fellows? And anyway, the teachers -- or should I say nurses? -- will be far too busy reassuring the dunces and patting them on the back to waste any time on real teaching. We shall no longer have to plan and toil to spread imperturbable conceit and incurable ignorance among men."
--C. S. Lewis Greenspan is right. The government indoctrination camps are sending out drooling mongoloids whose drivers in life by and far are getting on MTV and having the taxpayer fund their lifestyles. We are screwed up because we outsourced the education of our kids to the .gov. By not voting out the assholes who continue to seize our tax dollars to fund their indoctrination camps, we only have ourselves to blame. The RNC once ran on abolishing the Dept. of Education. Now they fund "No Dumbass Left Behind". Who has held them accountable???? Skilled immigrants come from cultures where the family won't put up with dishonor on the family name by having some kid slack off. They come here smart, and hungry for success. They don't think that a good life is "owed" to them, they bust their asses and earn it. They are a better reflection of the good of America than 45% of the population. American natives who understand that a good life comes from hard work and good decision making will be proven to be the minority of voters in 2008. The future does not bode well for the Republic. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:42:55 AM EDT
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Your tinfoil is on way too tight. And you really are a sad and angry man. BTW, do you toss and turn at night knowing that your foreign car helped contribute to the loss of American autoworkers' jobs?
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:46:05 AM EDT
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I teach at a community college level and decided to do so because teachers can't control students in K-12 settings. Try a discipline method? Get a call from dean to explain what happened. Then the irate dumbf-ck parent who can't believe his/her little kid starts ruckus because of that. As for Greenspan comment, I find it hilarious that there are some elements who think they are patriotic, but at the cost of capitalism. 
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:46:43 AM EDT
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It doesn't surprise me at all that the neocon globalists on this board agree with this Greenspan drivel.
Ya gotta break some eggs to make a New World omelette, and the good ol' USA is tops on the list of eggs to get broken. Don't worry. The world government will take care of everything we need. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:47:31 AM EDT
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Yet that is exactly what these people advocate.
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:50:22 AM EDT
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RIGHT ON MO-TOWN!! The "Captains of Industry" would so love to have even cheaper foreign labor to replace American middle class workers and the middle class has been hurt hard by the loss of good manufacturing jobs that were the backbone of the working middle class that raised American standards of living across the board. American won WWII as much in the industrial production from America as we did with our brave fighting men. Now we have outsourced most of Americans industrial production and the good paying jobs that build the American middle class. BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:51:19 AM EDT
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Oddly, I would think not. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:55:18 AM EDT
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You should be asking how valuable the education really is. I have had to deal with tons of H1-Bs over the last eight years and many have very impressive resumes (that we check because of the amazing amount of fraud in India) but they can't think or work independantly or in teams. This isn't cultural -- Indian guys with a US education are very different -- but the quality of education. If I came in with a PhD from a non-accredited institution (Dr. Mbogo's Eye Surgery College and Laser Toner Cartridge Refilling Center) from the US, everyone would assign me correctly to the mail room. But I swear to God when Sanjay Balasubramanaiananananaana comes in with the same thing the automatic assumption is that the place is the frigging Harvard of East Trashcanistan. So they get hired, and then they fail, and then we have to replace them. Stupid. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:56:43 AM EDT
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Socialism is what is fucking up this country.
Think about it. Illegal immigration wouldn't even be the huge issue that it is if we weren't so damn socialist. Millions of poor people streaming accross the border really demonstrates why socialism doesn't work. If all those people weren't getting so much free shit, number one they would work harder, number two, they would be contributing more then they are dragging us down. Socialism sucks. |
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Posted: 10/9/2007 7:59:28 AM EDT
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Is there anything that you guys won't try and blame on socialism? This is capitalism at it's most extreme. |
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