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Posted: 8/22/2001 2:07:04 PM EDT
[img]http://images.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/010711.jpg[/img] The Advanced Amphibious Assault Vheicle from General Dynamics Land Systems. The USMC's new toy. Its a plaining hull amphibian APC- and the beast actually works![:O] 25kts in sea state 3. Then 45mph on land with tracks. And it carries 18 fully equipped infantry- 3times what the Army Bradley can. In fact one of these can carry the entire dismounted element of a Army mechanized platoon! Unlike the current AAV7's it can keep up with a M1 and has enough armor to function as a REAL APC. For the first time since WWII someone has built a APC that can take a decent sized infantry squad.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:06:25 PM EDT
YAT-YAS You Ain't Tracks- You Ain't Shit Being able to plane is wonderful, as well as having such vastly improved weapons and armor. They keep telling us that we're getting the AAAV in 2003 or 04- the date keeps getting pushed back further . The new (old) Rammers (AAVP7's / Bradley suspension and a hotter engine) will go at least 50mph on flat land, but don't do shit in the water (thin-skinned too). Praise the day that the Corps fully deploys this beast!
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:25:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 4:29:08 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
The first 9 fully equipped examples began construction in April. The three prototypes are being rebuilt as fully armed combat types to serve alongside them. Whenever that is complete they go to the fleet for a 1 year test and evaluation. 12 isnt enough to float a whole rifle company, so I guess sending them out with a MEU isnt going to be part of the T&EProgram. Check it out! These things even have [i]air conditioning[/i]! [url]http://www.wd.com/aaav.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:28:16 PM EDT
Excellent Post! Any links to sites for more info/pics? Thanks for this. You know how get my attention!
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:28:31 PM EDT
You have got to be shitting me!!!!! Air Conditioning???!!! How wonderful is that...what's next, a vanity mirror and heated leather seats?
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:31:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:32:52 PM EDT
Just to stir things up, there's a critical review of the AAAV at [url]http://www.infowar.com/iwftp/cspinney/11Jul2001_417--AAAV__Dinosaur_or_Techno_Revolution.shtml[/URL] The basic criticism is that IFVs, in which troops can fight mounted, are a bad idea, because that exposes them to direct fire weapons they're not armored against. I'd be interested in what other people have to say about this. The review ignores some of the arugments in favor of the AAAV, such as the ability to launch from over the horizon and thus avoid direct observation and enemy fire on the amphib ships.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:45:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 4:53:47 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
It also ignores the fact that the AAAV [b]ISNT[/b] a IFV! It is a APC, just like the M113. It has no ATGW as yet. And there are no firing ports for the infantry. The 30mm is for infantry support and self defense only- they days of pintle mounted .50cals like in Vietnam are over, they finally realised they werent hitting much and too many men were getting killed. And unlike every IFV in service in the world it carries pleanty of infantry. The Marines want to eventually install Javelin on it. But there are other options including taking the LOSAT, and EFOGM missiles from the Army and mounting them on SOME AAAV's as support weapons. It also has a big enough turret ring to mount the 120mm gun/mortar turret from the LAV 120 on it. Even then it still wont be a tank or IFV but just a heavy weapons carrier. If this vheicle were up armored enough to be a real IFV like the Bradley it would weigh as much as a M1. This is not a small vheicle... AAAV info: [url]http://www.gdls.com/programs/aaav.html[/url] [url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/aaav.htm[/url] LOSAT Antitank Missile:[url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/losat.htm[/url] EFOGM Missile:[url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/efogm.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:46:11 PM EDT
For the armament: One 30mm (with the option of quickly switching from AP rounds to HEDP or other rounds) and one 7.62mm gun for lighter targets. The article brings up some good points regarding the amphibious assault doctrine. If the Corps could make the LCAC, Osprey, and AAAV (the amphibious triad)work in sweet harmony (cost effectively, of course), that would be bliss. With the equipment that we have now, I seriously worry about our current preparedness to fight in a SHTF scenario (ie fighting another two-front war overseas).
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:06:52 PM EDT
There is some talk of the Navy getting out of the riverine warfare business when these come in service. They figure that since these are so fast, and can crawl over what they cant swim over, they will just give the job to the Marines. Wonder what the SEALS will think of that?
Link Posted: 8/23/2001 4:15:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/23/2001 4:42:35 AM EDT
Ship to shore. Marines like to get their feet wet on the beach. Only Marines and a few Saliors know the feeling of dropping off the well-deck of an Amphib ship, submerging completely, waiting for it to pop back up, and wondering if you're going to sink straight down to the bottom. If you're the type that gets seasick, the droning engine, diesel exhaust, fumes, dark, hot, NO WINDOWS, churning seas..... ....at least back when we had "steel pots", instead of kevlar, you could puke into your helmet.[:)]
Link Posted: 8/23/2001 5:24:54 AM EDT
Maj The best part is when one Marine pukes, they all start puking. Nothing is better than the crossing surf at Onslow beach, the tracks rock sideways.
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