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Posted: 9/22/2004 11:19:17 AM EST
I can't get used to seeing that skinny little stick mag going into the AR-15 lower. It just looks so out of place. Maybe it's some sort of veiled sexual insecurity I have.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:20:01 AM EST
9mm AR's = Fun
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:21:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By USMC2111:
9mm AR's = Fun



Don't get me wrong, I bet they're awesome. I just hate the way they look.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:21:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:
I can't get used to seeing that skinny little stick mag going into the AR-15 lower. It just looks so out of place. Maybe it's some sort of veiled sexual insecurity I have.



I always thought that the little mag in the big magwell looked kind of funny too. It also looks like it would be kind of hard to replace the mag under a stressfull situation. I still want one though.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:21:22 AM EST
I want one or two.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:24:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 11:43:28 AM EST by garandman]

Originally Posted By USMC2111:
9mm AR's = Fun



40 S&W AR's = funner.

And no, I think they look kewl



Oh, its for sale BTW. Need money for another project.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:25:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I want one or two.

I've GOT one................................................

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On order from Steyr Aug, hope I see it!
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:30:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 2:06:10 PM EST by BB]
No. I think the FAMAS looks silly.

Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:30:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/22/2004 11:31:29 AM EST by Chimborazo]

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I want one or two.

I've GOT one................................................

On order from Steyr Aug, hope I see it!



That's actually what made me think about it. I have a 9620 on order.
Link Posted: 9/22/2004 11:31:58 AM EST
unless it's on an sbr it's friggin rediculous looking. why would you want to kick down a door carrying a rifle that throws handgun rounds?

anyone who answers "overpenetration" must recite the ammo oracle in front of the class!
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:11:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By druncuncas:
unless it's on an sbr it's friggin rediculous looking. why would you want to kick down a door carrying a rifle that throws handgun rounds?

anyone who answers "overpenetration" must recite the ammo oracle in front of the class!



Even SBR's are silly looking. I just can't stand the way that mag looks in the gun. And as thelastgunslinger said, mag changes seem like they would be less than graceful unless there is some sort of mechanism to properly guide the mag. Is there?
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:15:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2004 10:15:36 AM EST by ar50troll]
No look fine to be. Actually they look identical. Are you referring to the magazines?
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:18:07 AM EST
The need to design a 9mm AR from the ground up, not use .223 lowers but use a 9mm lower with a small mag well. That would be just like having a .308 AR. That way you have a gun designed for the ammo, not one that looks like a silly conversion.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:21:12 AM EST
Slacker has/had a .45 AR that I shot a couple of times...F U N!
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:22:18 AM EST
Big rifle for a small pistol cartridge. I want one.

I would also like a Ruger 9mm Carbine. The anti-gun actions of Bill Ruger, being a traitor to gun owners, is another thread... but the son of a bitch is dead so it doesn't matter.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:23:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By druncuncas:
unless it's on an sbr it's friggin rediculous looking. why would you want to kick down a door carrying a rifle that throws handgun rounds?

anyone who answers "overpenetration" must recite the ammo oracle in front of the class!




This is one of the reasons we are getting rid of all of our 9mm SMGs. They are being traded in in the next few weeks.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:24:54 AM EST
That sounds like an Excellent Idea , a 9mm lower that would take Elcheapo mags, so you wouldnt have to buy those High Dollar Mag Adapter's , dont know why BM , DPMS , or the other manufactures havent done it yet Maybe this will put a Bee in their Bonnet


Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
The need to design a 9mm AR from the ground up, not use .223 lowers but use a 9mm lower with a small mag well. That would be just like having a .308 AR. That way you have a gun designed for the ammo, not one that looks like a silly conversion.

Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:31:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:

Originally Posted By USMC2111:
9mm AR's = Fun



Don't get me wrong, I bet they're awesome. I just hate the way they look.



+1
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:34:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By M10KEN:
That sounds like an Excellent Idea , a 9mm lower that would take Elcheapo mags, so you wouldnt have to buy those High Dollar Mag Adapter's , dont know why BM , DPMS , or the other manufactures havent done it yet Maybe this will put a Bee in their Bonnet


Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
The need to design a 9mm AR from the ground up, not use .223 lowers but use a 9mm lower with a small mag well. That would be just like having a .308 AR. That way you have a gun designed for the ammo, not one that looks like a silly conversion.




I'm thinking CavArms would have had this market sewed up by now. I don't know about the cost of the "molds" but there must be enough interest internationally to swing it.

Just a thought

hessian-1out!
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:34:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar50troll:
No look fine to be. Actually they look identical. Are you referring to the magazines?



Yep, the way the mag looks so out of place in the mag well.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:40:57 AM EST
Yes, I agree. I buy and build all of my weapongs based first upon looks, then function.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:43:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:45:22 AM EST
For those of you who understand engineering and the actual manufacture of weapons better than myself, is there a manufacturing reason why a 9mm with an appropriately sized mag well HASN'T already been done?
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:48:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:
Yes, I agree. I buy and build all of my weapongs based first upon looks, then function.



That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm simply stating that I think they are silly looking.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 10:56:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By maximumbob_tx:
For those of you who understand engineering and the actual manufacture of weapons better than myself, is there a manufacturing reason why a 9mm with an appropriately sized mag well HASN'T already been done?



Cost!

With a mag insert, a different bolt, barrel, and in some cases, a different hammer, you can use all of the other 5.56 AR parts as well as USING THE SAME RAW MATERIAL AND MACHINERY. If it was not this way, it wouldn't still be an AR. If you shortened the receiver to account for the reduced mag profile, the bolt would be too long. If you shortened the bolt, you'd have to block the recoil spring tube to prevent overtravel, etc...

There are plenty of ground up 9mms out there. HK 94, UZI, etc...
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 11:01:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 11:06:16 AM EST
LeFranc (sp) makes an M16 in .45ACP with a "small" magwell for grease gun type mags.

And still looks silly.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 11:09:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 11:17:49 AM EST
The R&D would not be any more expensive than for an AR-10, but I bet it would sell more units if done right.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 11:55:49 AM EST
Driftpunch,
Thanks. Makes sense to me now.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 12:00:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By USMC2111:
9mm AR's = Fun



40 S&W AR's = funner.

And no, I think they look kewl

www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid134/p6e55ffbe9595f37dbe45ff49d6bb0315/f77599c0.jpg

Oh, its for sale BTW. Need money for another project.




IM sent.
tell me 'bout it!

Jeff
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 12:04:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2004 12:07:37 PM EST by mjohn3006]
Pistol cal mags look funny??


Look alright from the bad guys perspective. damn I love 45 ACP
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 12:10:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:
I can't get used to seeing that skinny little stick mag going into the AR-15 lower. It just looks so out of place. Maybe it's some sort of veiled sexual insecurity I have.



I guess it all depends if you are in front of it, behind it, or beside it. Hopefully you have the choice.

.........at least it isn't pink.
Link Posted: 9/23/2004 12:23:20 PM EST
jtw2 -

IM sent.

Link Posted: 9/23/2004 12:38:25 PM EST
Why don't cops use tommy guns any more. What gangbanger would mess with someone carrying a tommy gun? seriously.
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