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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:55:19 AM EDT

Big sort of heavy and cool looking, too bad it will be a DD.

ETA: It is a pump or semi auto, not sure of capacity but is probably 15 or 20?

Posted: 1/23/2012 9:58:46 AM EDT

[#1]

Calico is still in business?

Posted: 1/23/2012 9:59:19 AM EDT

[#2]

Over twenty years ago the designers at Calico (when they were in Bakersfield, CA) told me they had a 12 GA design. It wasn't feasible to build it until know.

Posted: 1/23/2012 9:59:57 AM EDT

[#3]

I didn't even know they are still in business

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:02:41 AM EDT

[#4]

I'm horrified and turned on all at the same time....... There are no words to describe it...... Limply erect perhaps?

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:04:13 AM EDT

[#5]

Looks like a railgun.

Capacity?

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:04:20 AM EDT

[#6]

Planet of the Apes shotgun

Quoted:
I'm horrified and turned on all at the same time....... There are no words to describe it...... Limply erect perhaps?

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:04:56 AM EDT

[#7]

That's the ugliest dildo I have ever seen.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:06:17 AM EDT

[#8]

Is that a gigantic 30 round magazine on the top?

It might be ugly, but I would want if it is a removeable magazine and not one you have to reload while still attached.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:07:42 AM EDT

[#9]

Zombie approved

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:08:09 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

I'm horrified and turned on all at the same time....... There are no words to describe it...... Limply erect perhaps?

I would say a damn interesting PROTOTYPE. Not a finished product I would want to buy.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:11:31 AM EDT

[#11]

Kinda looks like it's semi and pump action.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:14:47 AM EDT

[#12]

Do. Not. Want.

The Russians and now the Turks do it far better.

But thanks for playing.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:15:39 AM EDT

[#13]

I have the weirdest boner right now.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:17:40 AM EDT

[#14]

Do the Calico products have reliability issues?

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:17:51 AM EDT

[#15]

IIRC...I think they started back up after the AWB died

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:29:25 AM EDT

[#16]

Holy shit.

Quoted:
IIRC...I think they started back up after the AWB died

Yep. The helical magazines are definitely an interesting concept.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:31:10 AM EDT

[#17]

Calico's still around? I kind of want one of those 9mm Carbines I saw in Jane's when I was like twelve.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:34:38 AM EDT

[#18]

wtf is that thing!!!

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:35:58 AM EDT

[#19]

Do you have to pump it?

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:38:22 AM EDT

[#20]

I love the wood and the finish. Very Fallout.

Posted: 1/23/2012 10:55:44 AM EDT

[#21]

I thought they went under as well, the guy said they went into parts and repair for the time of the ban. They do have railed models as well.

Posted: 1/23/2012 11:03:28 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Big sort of heavy and cool looking, too bad it will be a DD.

Why would it be a DD?

Posted: 1/23/2012 11:06:01 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Big sort of heavy and cool looking, too bad it will be a DD.

Why would it be a DD?

Years ago the ATF reclassified the Street Sweeper and the Daewoo USAS 12 as DD's due to the drum magazine and semi auto function. No real reason other than media hype. This is the same since it has a drum mag.

Posted: 1/23/2012 11:12:35 AM EDT

[#24]

They have been promising a 40 S&W version of the 9 mm for years but it's still vaporware, the shotgun will take a little longer.

Posted: 1/23/2012 11:25:35 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Years ago the ATF reclassified the Street Sweeper and the Daewoo USAS 12 as DD's due to the drum magazine and semi auto function. No real reason other than media hype. This is the same since it has a drum mag.

I know about that. However, things have changed over the past decade. This wouldn't be the only drum fed semi out there.

Posted: 1/23/2012 11:30:03 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Years ago the ATF reclassified the Street Sweeper and the Daewoo USAS 12 as DD's due to the drum magazine and semi auto function. No real reason other than media hype. This is the same since it has a drum mag.

I know about that. However, things have changed over the past decade. This wouldn't be the only drum fed semi out there.

ATF Rul. 94-2

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms (ATF) has examined a firearm

identified as the Striker-12/Streetsweeper
shotgun to determine whether it is a

destructive device as that
term is used in the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26

U.S.C. Chapter 53.

The Striker-12 and Streetsweeper
shotguns are virtually identical 12-gauge

shotguns with a spring-driven
revolving magazine. The magazine has a

12-round capacity. The shotgun
has a fixed stock or folding shoulder stock and

may be fired with the folding
stock collapsed. The shotgun with an 18-inch

barrel is 37 inches in length
with the stock extended, and 26.5 inches in length

with the stock folded. The
shotgun is 5.7 inches in width and weighs 9.24

pounds unloaded. The Striker/Streetsweeper
has two pistol grips, one in the

center of the firearm below
the buttstock, and one on the forearm. The

Striker/Streetsweeper was
designed and developed in South Africa as a

military, security, and
anti-terrorist weapon. Various types of 12-gauge

cartridges can be fired
from the shotgun, and a rapid indexing procedure allows

various types of ammunition
to be loaded into the cylinder and selected for

firing. All 12 rounds can
be fired from the shotgun in 3 seconds or less.

Section 5845(f), Title 26,
U.S.C., classifies certain weapons as "destructive

devices" which are subject
to the registration and tax provisions of the NFA.

Section 5845(f)(2) provides
as follows:

(f) Destructive device.––The
term "destructive device" means * * *

(2) any type of weapon by
whatever name known which will, or which may be

readily converted to, expel
a projectile by the action of an explosive or

other propellant, the barrel
or barrels of which have a bore of more than

one-half inch in diameter,
except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the

Secretary or his delegate
finds is generally recognized as particularly

suitable for sporting purposes;
..."

A "sporting purposes" test
which is almost identical to that in section 5845(f)(2)

appears in 18 U.S.C. §
925(d)(3). This provision of the Gun Control Act of 1968

(GCA) provides that the
Secretary shall authorize a firearm to be imported into

the United States if the
firearm is "generally recognized as particularly suitable

for or readily adaptable
to sporting purposes." With the exception of the readily

adaptable' language, this
provision is identical to the sporting shotgun

exception to the destructive
devices definition. The definition of "destructive

device" in the GCA (18 U.S.C.
§ 921(a)(4)) is identical to that in the NFA.

In determining whether shotguns
with a bore of more than one-half inch in

diameter are "generally
recognized as particularly suitable for sporting

purposes" and thus are not
destructive devices under the NFA, we believe it is

appropriate to use the same
criteria used for evaluating shotguns under the

"sporting purposes" test
of section 925(d)(3). Congress used virtually identical

language in describing the
weapons subject to the two statutory schemes, and

the language was added to
the GCA and NFA at the same time.

In 1984, ATF ruled that the
Striker-12 was not eligible for importation under

section 925(d)(3) since
it is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes. In

making this determination,
the 1984 letter-ruling notes that the Striker was being

used in a number of "combat"
shooting events. In a letter dated June 30, 1986,

ATF again denied importation
to the Striker-12, on the basis that it did not meet

the "sporting purposes"
test of section 925(d)(3). This letter states that, "We

believe the weapon to have
been specifically designed for military and law

enforcement uses."

In evaluating the physical
characteristics of the Striker 12/Streetsweeper, ATF

concludes that the weight,
bulk, designed magazine capacity, configuration,

and other features indicate
that it was designed primarily for military and law

enforcement use and is not
particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

The weight of the Striker-12/Streetsweeper,
9.24 pounds unloaded, is on the

high end for traditional
12-gauge sporting shotguns, which generally weigh

between 7 and 10 pounds.
Thus, the weight of the Striker-12/Streetsweeper

makes it awkward to carry
for extended periods, as in hunting, and

cumbersome to fire at multiple
small moving targets, as in skeet and trap

shooting. The width of the
Striker-12/Streetsweeper, 5.7 inches, far exceeds that

of traditional sporting
shotguns, which do not exceed three inches in width or

four inches in depth. The
large size and bulk of the Striker-12/Streetsweeper

make it extremely difficult
to maneuver quickly enough to engage moving

targets as is necessary
in hunting, skeet, and trap shooting. The spring driven

revolving magazine with
12-cartridge capacity is a much larger capacity than

traditional repeating sporting
shotguns, which generally contain tubular

magazines with a capacity
of 3-5 cartridges. The folding shoulder stock and the

two pistol grips are not
typical of sporting-type shotguns. Finally, the overall

appearance and general shape
of the weapon are radically different from

traditional sporting shotguns
and strikingly similar to shotguns designed

specifically for or modified
for combat and law enforcement use.

Section 7805(b), Title 26,
U.S.C., provides that the Secretary may prescribe the

extent, if any, to which
any ruling relating to the internal revenue laws shall be

applied without retroactive
effect. Accordingly, all rulings issued under the

Internal Revenue Code are
applied retroactively unless they specifically provide

otherwise. Pursuant to section
7805(b), the Director, as the delegate of the

Secretary, may prescribe
the extent to which any ruling will apply without

retroactive effect.

Held: The Striker-12/Streetsweeper
is a shotgun with a bore of more than

one-half inch in diameter
which is not particularly suitable for sporting

purposes. The weight, size,
bulk, designed magazine capacity, configuration,

and other factors indicate
that the Striker-12/Streetsweeper is a military-type

shotgun, as opposed to a
shotgun particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

Accordingly, the Striker-12/Streetsweeper
is a destructive device as that term is

used in 26 U.S.C. §
5845(f)(2). Pursuant to section 7805(b), this ruling is applied

prospectively effective
March 1, 1994, with respect to the making, transfer, and

special (occupational) taxes
imposed by the NFA. All other provisions of the

NFA apply retroactively
effective March 1, 1994.

Posted: 1/23/2012 11:54:55 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Years ago the ATF reclassified the Street Sweeper and the Daewoo USAS 12 as DD's due to the drum magazine and semi auto function. No real reason other than media hype. This is the same since it has a drum mag.

I know about that. However, things have changed over the past decade. This wouldn't be the only drum fed semi out there.

Section 7805(b), Title 26,U.S.C., provides that the Secretary may prescribe the

extent, if any, to whichany ruling relating to the internal revenue laws shall be

applied without retroactiveeffect. Accordingly, all rulings issued under the

Internal Revenue Code areapplied retroactively unless they specifically provide

otherwise. Pursuant to section7805(b), the Director, as the delegate of the

Secretary, may prescribethe extent to which any ruling will apply without

retroactive effect.

Posted: 1/23/2012 12:12:11 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Calico's still around? I kind of want one of those 9mm Carbines I saw in Jane's when I was like twelve.

I was a little older when I handled one of their longarms, but I still want one. Should've bought one back in the day.

Posted: 1/23/2012 12:14:10 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Calico's still around? I kind of want one of those 9mm Carbines I saw in Jane's when I was like twelve.

I was a little older when I handled one of their longarms, but I still want one. Should've bought one back in the day.

You still can own one, they are back in production.

Posted: 1/23/2012 3:16:35 PM EDT

[#30]

I'd rather have a street sweeper.

Posted: 1/23/2012 6:30:51 PM EDT

[#31]

Looks like one heavy motherfucker to carry around. Maybe strapped to a home-made remote controlled vehicle.

Posted: 1/23/2012 6:34:27 PM EDT

[#32]

My stepfather had one of the 9mm versions.

It would fire multiple bursts right out of the box.

Posted: 1/23/2012 6:43:17 PM EDT

[#33]

It was made as a prototype in the early 80's I have no real proof..

Posted: 1/23/2012 6:43:47 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
My stepfather had one of the 9mm versions.

It would fire multiple bursts right out of the box.

Fuckin' A.

Posted: 1/23/2012 6:43:57 PM EDT

[#35]

Posted: 1/23/2012 7:01:43 PM EDT

[#36]

So why is a converted Saiga 12 not a DD with a 20 rd drum?

There may be a difference if it is foreign....I do not think that the street sweeper was made in the US.

Posted: 1/23/2012 7:57:15 PM EDT

[#37]

I saw and handled the prototype. It was cool, but heavy. They are going to lighten it up some. We were (the company rep and I) debating if it'll be reclassed as a DD. He thinks not, but I think so.

Seeing how we have given the ability of an agency to make law at will, they probably will. The ATF can make rulings with the force of law and that baffles me. How did we ever get to this point?