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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:52:52 AM EDT
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I have only used it on the LE side of things.
The first time I used it the guy just wiped it off and I had to go hands on and get a little rough instead. Turns out the guy was known to resist arrest and had been sprayed on more than one occasion. Every other time I have used it the subject I sprayed either dropped like a rock or ceased all aggressive actions. I have had very good luck with it on dogs too and that has kept me from having to shoot a couple over the years. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:53:48 AM EDT
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I used it on my eggs once, does that count?
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:54:56 AM EDT
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It works about half the time. Most of the times it didn't work I didn't get good hit in the eyes/nose/mouth.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:55:35 AM EDT
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Do you count uses as a LEO?
If so, yes, I've used it several times––sometimes it makes people disengage, sometimes it does nothing (I've had it work on a dog pretty well,) and sometimes it just irritates people. (And sometimes, back when it was first issued, an officer suffering a "blond moment" will spray it at someone he is chasing on foot. Making the spray kinda bounce off the perp's head and hang in the air for a sec. As said officer runs through the cloud of OC.) 
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:55:48 AM EDT
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My wife used Fox on a medium size dog.
She maintains she hit it in the face. Said it had no effect. I've carried it, but the mutt won't cooperate and come after me. ETA-It was the stream version, not the spray. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:58:19 AM EDT
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I've sprayed a person and a bunch of dogs. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Either way, it usually takes a couple of seconds for it to work. That can be a very l-o-n-g couple of seconds.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:02:36 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime.
TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. ETA: No legal problems for us. We called the city on the leash-law offenders, they got a ticket for not having current shots for the dog. They did not get any penalty for breaking the leash law or for their dog biting our dog. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:03:50 AM EDT
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If you pepper spray someone and it doesn't stop them, it's a good indication you will have to shoot them instead.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:05:19 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? 
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:06:34 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Yeah, it was the damndest thing! |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:07:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:08:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. LOL. Smart dog. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:10:38 AM EDT
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nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:11:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? I'm her husband. I pulled my glock 19 out to fire on the dog, as soon as it left leather the dog backed up and trotted to the side of the road and just looed at me. I would have popped it in the head if it wasn't for the on lookers that would have told the cops it wasn't being aggressive when I shot it. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:12:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. craziest thing ever, I wasn't expecting it |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:12:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either Never been sprayed, have you? |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:13:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either I guess you just go through life using lethal force on everything. Oh well, I do have to take into consideration the source of this pearl of wisdom. Macho post is stupid post. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:14:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. My formative life experience has taught me enough about aggressive dogs roaming at large that I no longer use chemical spray as a first step on the force continuum. I simply shoot them. Twice I have had dogs stop dead in their tracks and give me an "Oh shit he's serious" look when I took the gun out and aimed it. Both times they then turned and walked away. Both times they were literally about 2 lbs. of trigger away from a bullet. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:15:16 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. My formative life experience has taught me enough about aggressive dogs roaming at large that I no longer use chemical spray as a first step on the force continuum. I simply shoot them. Twice I have had dogs stop dead in their tracks and give me an "Oh shit he's serious" look when I took the gun out and aimed it. Both times they then turned and walked away. Both times they were literally about 2 lbs. of trigger away from a bullet. Lesson learned
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:16:41 AM EDT
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Never used it personally, but saw a buddy use it in a fight once. It didn't work out very well for him...
He knew the fight was coming and had the spray in his hand already as the other guy approached. He sprayed the guy as soon as he got about 3 feet away from him. You could see tht the guy was blinded by it, but he just reached out with one hand and grabbed onto the guy who sprayed him and proceeded to pound the shit out of him with the other hand. After that he fell to his knees coughing, choking, and rubbing his eyes... |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:16:56 AM EDT
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I used some of the old Mace brand spray on a half dozen meatheads. One in particular got a real snout full of the stuff.
It happened in a restaurant parking lot. There was a scuffle brewing and I tried to leave, half the scuffling group followed me out the door and blocked my car in. They started beating on the car, I lowered the window two inches and let fly with the Mace. Worked great. Meatheads disengaged and scattered, which allowed me to get the car moving without running anyone over. Friends still inside the establishment said the guy who really got hosed off had to be carried in by his friends, and they were all freaking the fuck out, screaming, crying, howling, etc. 
Cops showed up and carted the meatheads off to the hospital for decon. I called 'em to report the incident when I got to a safe location, operator said, "Oh yea, red Nissan? We've got an APB out for you. We'd like you to come down to the station... Now." I was all amped up and the car interior had a bit of mace still in there so I didn't want to drive. Told her that. "Oh, no problem, we'll send someone to you!" Cop showed up, confiscated the can of mace, and said he'd discussed the situation with the other participants who agreed not to come after me if I didn't go after them. Cost me a $5 bent windshield wiper blade and a $12 can of mace, cost them a trip to the hospital and a few hours of pain. Sounded like a "fair" deal to me. 
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:16:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either Never been sprayed, have you? Fuck pepper spray, never again! |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:27:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm her husband. I pulled my glock 19 out to fire on the dog, as soon as it left leather the dog backed up and trotted to the side of the road and just looed at me. I would have popped it in the head if it wasn't for the on lookers that would have told the cops it wasn't being aggressive when I shot it. That happened to me. I killed a humongous German Shepard that belonged to new renters in the sub when the neighborhood starting going to hell. There were neighbors across the street sitting on the porch. They told the responding officers that I charged the dog right up to it's own front porch and gunned it down in it's own yard in front of the kids. What actually happened is that a little girl opened the screen door and the dog came out into the street to attack my dog. The officer that responded was the firearms training officer for the department and I had taken one of his classes previously "for insurance purposes." He knew who I was and what I was about as soon as he arrived. Also, 180 grain Gold Dots will go completely through a dog and leave a mark on the street. When I shook his hand and we left to finish our walk, the "victims" howled. I killed a pit bull on that same block about 6 months previously. The two "families" got together and concluded that I was some kind of undercover ninja to be able to keep killing dogs like that and "get away with it." There was a period of two years where I shot a dog almost every 6 months. I was beginning to think I was damned. In reality we were just out and about walking every day in a changing neighborhood. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:32:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either So, it's safe to say you've never been camping with TRG then right?   |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:32:48 AM EDT
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When I was roughly ten my grandmother decided I shouldn't ride my bike to school unarmed and bought me a "mace pager". It was a small canister of drug store grade mace disguised as a pager. You pushed in on the top of the pager for a blast of spray out of a pin hole in the front. I only used it once and that was to show it off to some friends, unfortunately when I pulled it out of my pocket and raised it to fire I didn't realize it was pointing backwards and at 10 years old I gave my self a full dose right between the eyes.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:34:14 AM EDT
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I blasted a raccoon that charged me. Holy shit he turned tail and ran for it like I stuck a hot poker in his ass.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:35:23 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. ETA: No legal problems for us. We called the city on the leash-law offenders, they got a ticket for not having current shots for the dog. They did not get any penalty for breaking the leash law or for their dog biting our dog. Good post. Thank you ! |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:43:09 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. My formative life experience has taught me enough about aggressive dogs roaming at large that I no longer use chemical spray as a first step on the force continuum. I simply shoot them. Twice I have had dogs stop dead in their tracks and give me an "Oh shit he's serious" look when I took the gun out and aimed it. Both times they then turned and walked away. Both times they were literally about 2 lbs. of trigger away from a bullet. Lesson learned
I would never have guessed this. Since I've never "drawn down" on a dog before I would be surprised that they know what a gun can do..but now I know!
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:43:22 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. craziest thing ever, I wasn't expecting it I had a Border Collie that knew. He hated the noise I guess. Everytime I came out of the house with a gun, he went the other way. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:44:51 AM EDT
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I have sprayed a lot of people and also been present many times when people were sprayed. As a guy from a time before spray, I can say without reservation that pepper spray is a whole lot better than beating the hell out of people with a stick for everyone involved particularly the person getting arrested.
Spray doesn't always work but it does work most of the time. I have seen people who it has absolutely no effect on but they are rare. They are also scary. Usually it is really crazy mental cases who are immune, but they are immune from almost anything. I have always used pepper spray combined with tear gas like Freeze +P. I like Freeze. Pepper spray is not magic and it does take a few seconds for it to start working. If the guy is wearing glasses or sunglasses it can cause a problem. So can not getting a good nose/eyes shot. I like foam too since you can see where it lands on a person's face kind of like a tracer. Ballistic stream is good. I would not want the cone style spray. If you spray someone and get a good hit you should be able to get away from them since you are not trying to arrest them. Over time I developed what I call the "standard attack". By that I mean I would spray a person, wait the couple seconds until I see their eyes closing, then step up, grab them by the shirt at the left shoulder, and beat the crap out of their legs with night stick until the fall down. I will keep whipping their legs if they try to get up or handcuff them if they are done. It works very well and doesn't really hurt them. I have yet to break anyone's leg do that. I have had no success spraying vicious dogs. As always you need to go ahead and get aggressive first. If someone is shit talking and threatening and they take one step toward you spray them. As far as following up with an impact weapon aluminum knuckles are a very good tool. They are light and easy to carry and give you an option if you need it without breaking your hand. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:45:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:45:35 AM EDT
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Never used it in self-defense, but have used it on myself for educational purposes (ASP aerosol). I had a hard time opening my eyes but could do so for short periods of time as necessary to navigate back into the house and find the bathroom sink. I can say with confidence that it would not have taken me out of a fight had I been in one. It was irritating, but not incapacitating.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:48:22 AM EDT
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All the time when, I owned a nightclub years ago. Stopped most of the drunks in there tracks. But if they were an speed or some type of drugs it did not always work.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 11:50:15 AM EDT
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I was with my husband when it was used in a self-defense situation. Walking the dog, a house we passed had an unsecured doberman/pit mix (think dobie body with huge pit head) that rushed us and our dog. My husband told the person on the porch to get their dog, they just smiled. He announced that he would use pepperspray on the dog, the person just stood there, never even tried to call the dog back. Their dog bit our dog, and my husband once again told that he would mace their dog. At that point, he maced the dog with zero effect to the dog. Wind was blowing so I got maced, and it dripped into a scrape that I got while shuffling our dog away. Husband also got maced. Then, he pulled his 9mm and pointed it at the dog's head. The dog laid down and stayed there so we could get back to the house. This happened in a matter of seconds but it seemed like a lifetime. TL;DR: Mace doesn't work for shit against dogs. So, to clarify, the dog stopped his attack when your husband pointed his 9mm at it? Dogs familiar with guns know what they are. My formative life experience has taught me enough about aggressive dogs roaming at large that I no longer use chemical spray as a first step on the force continuum. I simply shoot them. Twice I have had dogs stop dead in their tracks and give me an "Oh shit he's serious" look when I took the gun out and aimed it. Both times they then turned and walked away. Both times they were literally about 2 lbs. of trigger away from a bullet. Lesson learned
I would never have guessed this. Since I've never "drawn down" on a dog before I would be surprised that they know what a gun can do..but now I know! Some dogs, like my previously mentioned Border Collie, don't like the noise. Some don't mind. I had a Doberman that would lay behind me while we were target shooting, it didn't bother him a bit. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:03:56 PM EDT
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I've used it as an LEO several times. When I was a younger..and stupider..I got sent to a large bar fight. Lucky me, I was the only one free...everyone else was tied up. One officer advised that he would be en route to back me up..but he was about 20-30 minutes out. So, as I pulled up, there was a large parking lot of drunk angry people fighting in the parking lot, and one of the bouncers that I knew was standing along the side, watching. So, I grabbed him, told him to watch my back, as I walked around the outside of the crowds, spraying pepper spray at everyone feet. A few minutes later, with everyone coughing and gagging, I had the parking lot clear for the most part. I later got my ass ripped for going into a bar fight by myself.
Since we got issued Tasers, I don't carry OC on me anymore. I keep a can in my bag, though. The worse thing about OC or mace, is that after using it (for an LEO anyway), is that once their down, you have to still go in and take them into custody, exposing yourself to the affects. You then have to spend the next 45 minutes to an hour treating them. OC is a PITA. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:11:43 PM EDT
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nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either I guess you just go through life using lethal force on everything. Oh well, I do have to take into consideration the source of this pearl of wisdom. Macho post is stupid post. i'd make sure to yell "it's comin right for us" before i pulled the trigger .........but seriously, there's so many other options besides pepper spray or shoot em, i won't elaborate as i don't want to hijack OP's thread
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yea it's pretty bad, but it would not stop an angry bad guy on meth.
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nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either Never been sprayed, have you? |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:15:43 PM EDT
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Used it as an LEO. Worked most of the time. UOF reports followed. I had to have a sit down with IA the one time it didn't.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:16:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: I said the same thing till I got sprayed. Quoted: Never been sprayed, have you? nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:27:53 PM EDT
[#39]
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Just curious as to who here has used or knows someone who has used pepper spray in an actual self defense situation. What were the effects on the perp? Did it stop them in their tracks? Any legal problems with the police or the perp after using it? I have only used it working as a security guard. In one case it had no effect whatsoever (neither did baton strikes for that matter; the dude was nuts). In every other case the person sprayed has had difficulty resisting (making it easy to subdue them as needed) or has stopped all resistance immediately, focusing on their faces, especially the eyes. In the first case it was a real problem, but eventually he was made to leave, but that was quite difficult. In no cases were there any legal troubles. In fact, the police never showed up, either, so no trouble with them. In one case the people I sprayed left after flushing their eyes out and went and parked in a lot a few blocks down the street. When I left the bar they waited for me to pass and then pursued me for over 35 miles. I couldn't get through on my phone dialing 911 so I called a friend and he called them and the dispatch called me. Eventually, at the end of it all, the CHP came up and saw me but not the people chasing me, but the guys pursuing me did see the cops and exited. I was followed off the freeway on a later exit by the cop who then used his spotlight to signal me over, he asked me some questions, and then went to see if he could find the guys near the exit they were on, since I informed him that they were drunk (which was true). That was hairy. In that case, when they were sprayed, some of the patrons were bothered by it, as the fans on the ceiling spread it around a bit, but it rapidly dissipated. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:33:29 PM EDT
[#40]
I was pepper sprayed.
I think if you asked the person who sprayed me they would tell you i did not have the desired effect. It was the most painful thing i have ever felt (was close range full eyes, nose, mouth shot), but it took a few minutes to fully kick in and incapacitate me, which gave me plenty of time to demonstrate that it was not a proper self defense tool. It was cheapo stuff, i suspect some proper fox labs would have worked out better for the gentlemen who sprayed me. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:36:44 PM EDT
[#41]
Used Pepper Spray on 2 Grizzlies and 3 Black Bears.... Worked like a champ!
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:37:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: Just curious as to who here has used or knows someone who has used pepper spray in an actual self defense situation. What were the effects on the perp? Did it stop them in their tracks? Any legal problems with the police or the perp after using it? Yes. One guy took several sprays before he felt the effect, the other, the effect was immediate. No legal problems. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:31:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Quoted: I said the same thing till I got sprayed. Quoted: Never been sprayed, have you? nope, never used a rape whistle or a tampon either I saw the videos and thought people were being a bunch of pussies. Then I got sprayed. Sure, I made it through the fight-through stations no problem, but I was certainly in a world of hurt. When I ccw I will generally carry a can of OC if my clothing permits. It's a great "you're not worth shooting, but I don't feel like duking it out over this, and you're giving me no other choice" tool.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:33:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Yes
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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:38:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Yes...many times. Fairly effective around 95% of the time.
Taser is far, far better. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:40:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Seen it used multiple times while working as a correctional officer in prison. Some of the offenders can't take the OC, some can take a LOT or are simply immune to it. I'm a wimp when it comes to the stuff.
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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:44:40 PM EDT
[#47]
One time. It worked like a charm. Assailant was a violent drunk. Effect was instantaneous, but I got'im square in both eyes and then gave him another squirt for good measure.
Then I stomped the fucking the hell out of him. The assailant was my old man, by the way. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 3:09:52 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: One time. It worked like a charm. Assailant was a violent drunk. Effect was instantaneous, but I got'im square in both eyes and then gave him another squirt for good measure. Then I stomped the fucking the hell out of him. The assailant was my old man, by the way. Damn! Sorry to hear that. I am guessing you don't have the best relationship with your father. |
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Posted: 8/9/2011 3:23:54 PM EDT
[#49]
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Quoted:
One time. It worked like a charm. Assailant was a violent drunk. Effect was instantaneous, but I got'im square in both eyes and then gave him another squirt for good measure. Then I stomped the fucking the hell out of him. The assailant was my old man, by the way. Damn! Sorry to hear that. I am guessing you don't have the best relationship with your father. It's all good. It was years ago and he's dead now!
That was the only time I've ever used pepper spray and worked as advertised. I'll point out however, the effect was temporary. The bastard drove himself to the hospital to get his broken ribs patched up. 
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Posted: 8/9/2011 3:44:08 PM EDT
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Used the Sabre Red 2 Million SHU 10% LE strength
Hit the guy in the side of his head and face with two good one second bursts It took a full minute before he really started to cook Sometimes it stops people in their tracks and other times it takes a minute or so for a good reaction Most perps hit with this stronger stuff really complain about how bad it burns The older stuff we used was only 500,000 SHU and it wasn't as effective |
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