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Posted: 9/12/2005 3:52:05 PM EDT
Anybody got an Italian Carcano? Particularly the 6.5mm carbine with the folding bayonet. Opinions? Should I buy one?
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 3:54:33 PM EDT
I had one a long time ago, but sold it to some guy in Dallas back in '63.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 3:56:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:04:40 PM EDT
Has anyone really owned one? I want to know if they're worth buying.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:09:41 PM EDT
I've got an 1896 M91 long rifle.

Got to be careful reloading for these ones with the gain twist barrel.

I rather like mine. You should get it.<G>

Dennis Jenkins


Originally Posted By kingfish:
Anybody got an Italian Carcano? Particularly the 6.5mm carbine with the folding bayonet. Opinions? Should I buy one?

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:10:59 PM EDT
They are very crude. I have one of the 6.5 carbines. Paid 20$ for it and a box of hunting ammo at a gun show many years ago.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:14:04 PM EDT
June 2004. Ignore that newbie troll.

FIrst of all, ammo is expensive. This rules out reason #1 for milsurp, that being cheap ammo.

Second, most bores are oversize, meaning you have extremely limited choices on reloading. Hornady 160 grain bullets are your only choice.

But on the other hand, the rifles are cheap and reloading is easy. The action and materials are strong enough for much more than most manuals IF you know what you are doing. 2400 FPS with the 160 grain is possible, making for a great deer rifle. This is thanks to the gain twist rifling which reduces peak pressures with the typically heavy bullets available.

The minuses are the magazine, requiring a scope removal to load a full 6 rounds. But you can partially load the magazine without scope removal by inserting an empty en bloc clip from the bottom, pressing the clip release to get it in the right position. 3 rounds or more can be inserted from the top. More than enough for hunting non-dangerous game.

The other minus is the safety. Although it is one of the safest safety known because it completely unloads the striker, it requires considerable effort to take it "off safe" because you are actually loading the striker spring.

Triggers are generally so-so but entirely adequate for hunting accuracy. With the correct diameter bullet, you can expect MOA accuracy. But using .2645" diameter bullets, 5-8 MOA is tha case.

And yes, the ammo LHO used was of the .268" variety, produced by Olin.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:21:46 PM EDT
I have that exact gun. Haven't shot it in years. I think they are junky. If you want to expand a collection, why not?
I doubt you will use it much. ammo'e expensive, offers no benefit over easier to feed guns.
How much are they asking for it? I got mine free from an uncle.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:26:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By postpostban:
I have that exact gun. Haven't shot it in years. I think they are junky. If you want to expand a collection, why not?
I doubt you will use it much. ammo'e expensive, offers no benefit over easier to feed guns.
How much are they asking for it? I got mine free from an uncle.



About $125. Worth it?
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:40:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 4:41:46 PM EDT by postpostban]

Originally Posted By kingfish:

Originally Posted By postpostban:
I have that exact gun. Haven't shot it in years. I think they are junky. If you want to expand a collection, why not?
I doubt you will use it much. ammo'e expensive, offers no benefit over easier to feed guns.
How much are they asking for it? I got mine free from an uncle.



About $125. Worth it?



http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976268505.htm Not exact but close


http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976561143.htm found another
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:47:11 PM EDT
I knew of a guy who said that he wanted to buy a Carcanno, then shoot a hole through a Kennedy Half Dollar with it and then send the half dollar to Teddy.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:49:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By kingfish:

Originally Posted By postpostban:
I have that exact gun. Haven't shot it in years. I think they are junky. If you want to expand a collection, why not?
I doubt you will use it much. ammo'e expensive, offers no benefit over easier to feed guns.
How much are they asking for it? I got mine free from an uncle.



About $125. Worth it?



http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976268505.htm Not exact but close


http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976561143.htm found another



Wow! Those sellers must be smoking some crack if they think they will get that out of those guns.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 4:52:19 PM EDT
Eh, I think a Mauser or Enfield is the better rifle, preferably converted to .308, but 8mm and .303 are still loaded and quite available in most cases.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:44:22 PM EDT
Out the book depository window
Over the grassy knoll
Though the governor...

Nothing but Kennedy!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:14:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 7:15:13 PM EDT by kingfish]

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
Eh, I think a Mauser or Enfield is the better rifle, preferably converted to .308, but 8mm and .303 are still loaded and quite available in most cases.



Yes, they are better rifles, but I want a Carcano w/folding bayo for sentimental reasons. I found a real one back in the early eighties as a kid up in the mountains of Greece. It was buried amongst ruins of a wrecked home (along with scattered bullets) which the Nazi's destroyed for aiding guerillas. I brought that rifle home with me and have it in the basement of my house. BUT, I want to own a working Carcano.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:15:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 7:18:30 PM EDT by TheLibertarianMind]
What do you want a carcano for, an assisnation or sumthin? LOL

Get a mauser, much more ammo available. and lot of aftermarket stuff too.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:17:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingfish:

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
Eh, I think a Mauser or Enfield is the better rifle, preferably converted to .308, but 8mm and .303 are still loaded and quite available in most cases.



Yes, they are better rifles, but I want a Carcano w/folding bayo for sentimental reasons. I found a real one back in the early eighties as a kid up in the mountains of Greece. It was buried amongst ruins of a wrecked home (along with scattered bullets) which the Nazi's destroyed for aiding guerillas. I brought that rifle home with me and have it in the basement of my house. BUT, I want to own a working Carcano.



Then it's not even a question. You absolutly should buy it , it's worth$125 for that reason.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:18:15 PM EDT
I dont have one now.....but as soon as I gets my Red Cross Debit card I'm goona haves 2 of em.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:30:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 7:32:59 PM EDT by h2o2gunr]
i had 1 but lost it years ago during a divorce. i like them as a conversation peice. crazy backassward action makes them noisy and hard to shoot the action is locked while pulling back the bolt as opposed to closing it.ammo was expensive then cant imagine buying any now. if you want it get it!!!!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:33:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By kingfish:

Originally Posted By Bob1984:
Eh, I think a Mauser or Enfield is the better rifle, preferably converted to .308, but 8mm and .303 are still loaded and quite available in most cases.



Yes, they are better rifles, but I want a Carcano w/folding bayo for sentimental reasons. I found a real one back in the early eighties as a kid up in the mountains of Greece. It was buried amongst ruins of a wrecked home (along with scattered bullets) which the Nazi's destroyed for aiding guerillas. I brought that rifle home with me and have it in the basement of my house. BUT, I want to own a working Carcano.



Then it's not even a question. You absolutly should buy it , it's worth$125 for that reason.



+1

Make a display about the "before" and "After" of gun control
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:33:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
I dont have one now.....but as soon as I gets my Red Cross Debit card I'm goona haves 2 of em.



Sept. 2004 Begone newbie troll! Ignore him! Everyone ignore him!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:49:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 667:
I had one a long time ago, but sold it to some guy in Dallas back in '63.




Seriously though, I'd like one to set up a clone of the LHO rifle.
Be kind of neat to have, I have no other reason to own a Caracno - seem like junk to me.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 8:02:20 PM EDT
They are the FIAT 600 D of military rifles.

<­BR>
Junk. The ammo costs more than the rifle. I used one to hunt deer ONCE. What a joke that was.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 8:54:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 8:54:37 PM EDT by BridgerNY]
I just got the long rifle from my friend as a gift since he knows I'm into that stuff.

I haven't shot it yet, but surplusrifle.com has some good info on them. From my initial look over, this rifle gets an undeservedly bad rap.

For all you complaining about them, just what is so awful about it?

It looks well made to me, the action is decently smooth, the trigger is fine, and the only troubles I can see with it come from someone having owned it before me.

Another friend has a sporterized one that shoots fine.

So the ammo is expensive, it's a collector's piece, it rounds out my WWII collection. But I don't see a damn thing bad about it.

It's a lot like a Mauser really, with a different feeding system from that clip., and no big extractor.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 9:44:22 PM EDT
According to the warren commission report, official U.S. government testing proved conclusively that the Carcano is one of the fastest firing, most accurate rifles ever made.

We all know the high quality of government thinking, so it must be true.

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 10:48:37 PM EDT
That should be the best rifle in the world. It shoots magic bullets!
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:19:07 AM EDT
I was given one in 7.35mm. It is neat but not great. The battle sights are very very high, IIRC something like 14 inches high at a 100 for a BSZ for 350 yards/meters. I have a bout 50 cartridges left, genuine reboxed surplus and about 6 clips.

I find the bolt awkward, the safety awkward, and the trigger a bit sketchy. It does work though.

What was the old joke,......"Italian battle rifles for sale, only dropped once"
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:22:32 AM EDT
If you just want to collect, they are cool. If you want a rifle to use, you are better off with a Yugo mauser for almost the same price.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:49:38 AM EDT

I've got a M91/38, just like Oswald's and it came off the line at Terni only a few months before his.

Only shot one box with it, and it shoots fine. I wouldn't take it to Camp Perry, but it is sufficient at Texas Book Depository ranges.

It's worth owning just for the history, both Italian and U.S. That's a neat find of yours, that carbine in Greece.

Lot's of Carcanos stayed in Greece after the failed Italian invasion in '40.



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