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Posted: 4/1/2001 11:28:44 AM EDT
Man... every time I go over to my girlfriends family for dinner, I always get attacked by a mob of people who all despise my conservative views.  Her father is willing to debate things with me, but most of their family friends who also come over get really mad and personal.  I try to keep all of our "debates" on an intellectual level, but many times they just end up being rude and antagonistic.  Its really embarrassing because I don't like getting visibly mad, but their damn flammingly liberal views really make me mad.  Heck, my girlfriends grandfather won't even speak to me anymore... but it figures... he used to work for the UN!

Anyway, what should I do?  Should I avoid the subject of politics at all costs, or should I stand my ground and fight to the finish?  I'm really close with the family and I would hate for politics to ruin things...
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 11:41:50 AM EDT
I'm in the same boat with my own family.  Other than my uncle the rest of the family is Democrat.  I sure do love my uncle... [:D]

Some members of the family can discuss politics and guns without getting upset but some, my cousin in particular, get very upset.  Everyone has a good idea about my views on things and they know if they don't want to discuss it, don't bring it up around me.  

I would suggest playing it low key.  Even if someone says something that you don't agree with, unless directly engaged, just stay silent.  
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 11:55:54 AM EDT
I just quit going around my relatives who like to argue about politics. Their view is- I'm right because I'm older or Brokaw said it so it has to be the truth.[-!-]Milldude
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 11:57:52 AM EDT
Well you either (a) get a new girlfriend, or (b) do not discuss their agenda and change the subject.  If this is a long term relationship...you also marry the family and things long term may get nasty.  
   I went to friends house about a year ago and there were some leftist liberals [college educated] from "Joysey"  that made a comment about their welfare checks weren't enough.  I told them they should thank me and others for contributing to their income because my tax dollars feed em..the worthless craps...Needless to say all hell broke loose..
   I've gotten more hell from family members about my occupation and love for firearms than anything else.  Graduated from GA TECH as an engineer...and became a police officer.  Folks didn't speak to me for two years.  Went to law school and now I put criminals in jail...They don't like that or the fact that I enjoy shooting....go figure..whats that song "You can't please everyone...so just please yourself.." [:D]
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:03:12 PM EDT
Quoted: "You can't please everyone...so just please yourself.."
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[b] AMEN Brother!!!!![/b] [:D] Milldude
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:11:54 PM EDT
Face it Scipio you are dealing with those who have been brainwashed by the liberal media and those in education that are flaming yellow gutless quislings that owe allegance to their god below. These types will forever haunt your beliefs if you stick around. I for one would write that bunch off as a bad ticket. Find you a girl that has conservative roots, and a family that if this country ever start experiencing upheavals or a government that will want your guns, will not sell you out and turn you in. Just as in the days of the revolution there are those who are patriots, those who belong firmly in the enemy camp, and the rest are brainless minions who look for safety instead of freedom. After two decades plus in LE I have found that I must chose very carefully those that I will talk with, for their are traitors to your and my freedom at every turn. Best of luck in your situation, but I if you stay, watch your back constantly.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:19:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By t rex:
Just as in the days of the revolution there are those who are patriots, those who belong firmly in the enemy camp, and the rest are brainless minions who look for safety instead of freedom.
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You make that up or was it a quote? pretty damn good!
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:26:31 PM EDT
"Anybody else take crap from family for your views? "

Not half of what I give out for theirs.  Simple comments like "self responsibility", or "I don't need the government to take care of me. I prefer to do it myself",  really tie them up.

A good one I came up with at my fathers house to my 2 sisters, both work for the State, one a teacher the other an accountant, when we were arguing about welfare..."you 2 keep suckeling the opium laced breasts of mother government.  I prefer freedom."
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:38:22 PM EDT
My family knows not to bring it up. But they are also pretty disgusted with how the Democratic party has been taken over by the enviros and NAFTA types.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:50:24 PM EDT
If you really are close with these people and want to stay that way, don't bring it up politics and ignore them when they do.  My father and I have never seen eye to eye.  I've found that we get along fine as long as we don't bring up politics.  I've had several "life-long" friendships ruined over the right to bear arms, amoung other things.  At the same time, you'll probably find it isn't really possible to remain all that close to people who actively seek to dismantle this country and reshape it to fit their sick twisted image.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:59:13 PM EDT
Everyday man, everyday.

I live with my sister, if her fiancee is around shes not bad because we gang up on her, but she has one brainwashed friend, whom I have taken to carrying a gun around, just because it scares her, most, if they ask nicely, will get me to take my gun off in the house, but this little {insert female describing explative} always says how clinton was the greatest president, how affirmative action is good, how we owe blacks something, etc., We almost came to blows last time she was here (I didn't have to hit her, my sister did [:D]), but they're still friends, but I refuse to discuss politics with her, shes to stupid.

As far as my Girlfriends family, her dad's cool, got a couple of AK's and a few pistols.

I am building him an AR for his B-day, so he can have one like I made for his daughter[:D]
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 12:59:52 PM EDT
This is simple. When you are in "their" house, realize it and act accordingly. Marry or don't marry their daughter at YOUR discretion. If and when they are in YOUR home, advise them to act accordingly. A mans home is HIS domain and not a place for him to be unduly f*cked with. If you do not like being in THEIR home, do it with less frequency.

Permit NO ONE to disturb the harmony of your home. I have shown many relatives the door. We have to endure a small amount of BS in everyday life, but not in our living room.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 1:41:36 PM EDT
nobody asked what your girlfriend thinks about all this.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 1:45:33 PM EDT
Hey, Do what I do don't talk to them!!! I live in the  great State of NY. HAAAAA. My relatives voted for hillary. What sh t.

Better yet bring up the subject of God that will makes things go smoother.

God I love this site. I knew I would fit in someplace.

NRA all the way!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 2:05:47 PM EDT
This is simple. When you are in "their" house, realize it and act accordingly. Marry or don't marry their daughter at YOUR discretion. If and when they are in YOUR home, advise them to act accordingly. A mans home is HIS domain and not a place for him to be unduly f*cked with. If you do not like being in THEIR home, do it with less frequency.

Permit NO ONE to disturb the harmony of your home. I have shown many relatives the door. We have to endure a small amount of BS in everyday life, but not in our living room.
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Every Man is King of his Castle. SteyrAug has
given you the perspective that should rule your
conduct. When you sit and break bread it is
a time for peace and harmony. If the Lord of the
Manor allows disruptive discourse at his table
then eat elsewhere.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 2:13:48 PM EDT
Do what Romeo and Juliette did.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 2:17:27 PM EDT
I get some flak from the extended family, my siblings and parents are all pro-second, but they do wish I'd shut up about my guns occaisionally. I try to be businesslike at work, and not discuss my firearms, though I will broach the subject with a new employee by saying I enjoy the shooting sports, then letting it go. Two of them, including a girl in my dept are pretty savvy about firearms in general, but she's taken. It's a family business, though, and I occaisionally get dirty looks and disparaging comments for mentioning that I was busy last, weekend. Where? Gun show. Oh, that's REAL nice.

I can deal with it now as it is, but if my sisters start dating Anti's, we're gonna have problems, I'm not letting them in the family.

Link Posted: 4/1/2001 2:17:51 PM EDT
Scipio, if you have any intention of a long term relationship I suggest you find another pasture to service.  [b]Purposely[/b] marrying into a liberal bee hive family is analogous to, well, stupidity.

Now if your with this girl just for, you know, then by all means continue.

When it comes to marrage (or even considering it) trust me and others when we say "you will be marrying her family".

Use extreme caution.


"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villiany..."
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 4:46:43 PM EDT
Most of my moms side of the family are demos and they to believe there is no reason to own such so called evil weapons.I always argue with them about it.Now when i go over there i'll wear a progun shirt or buy their kids a full auto soft air gun for christmas or birthdays.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 5:01:14 PM EDT

From your profile I see you live in Texas.

Find a Good Lady who will love you for
what you are [8D]

The Libs/Dems will only mess with you
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 5:24:39 PM EDT
All I ever talk about is GUNS,GUNS,GUNS and the conservative side of politics.
The advice given is sound, though.  I'll remember to NOT talk about that stuff in THEIR home.  Simple, but, I've forgotten how to be polite in the spotlight of the Leftists point of view.  Maybe, I'll shut up until they start the button pushing, then just POLITELY leave...
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 5:36:55 PM EDT
I don't take that kind of crap from anyone. I won't argue with them, I just insult them until they apoligize. I point out how ignorant they are and ask where they get their facts (the national inquirer?). I don't give a damn what they think about me or what their opinions are. I only care about facts not feelings! Tell them how they believe everything their told by Democrats (I did not have sex with that woman). You can't win their hearts so make them have coronarys. Attack-Attack-Attack.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 7:05:56 PM EDT
I have a brother-in-law who is a big time golfer and says that guns are dangerous.

I simply reply that I can kill just as many people with his 1 iron as he can with my handgun.

Than I state how more people are killed by pools, cars, doctors and drunk drivers than by guns.

End of story.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 8:35:54 PM EDT
I'm lucky I guess.  My family is from rural west PA.  Mostly registered democrats but the ones that vote(grandparents and relatives) havn't voted dem since the 60's.  They dispise anyone who thinks any gun control is needed.  My grandfather has been around for what he calls, "Two country fairs and a Greenwood picnic", whatever that means but he made a good comment.  He said that since he was a young man in the army WWII, the Democratic party has become very socialistic and no longer totes the values of patiotism, loyalty, and courage as they did in his days.  I also read in the book The Fitzgerald's and the Kennedy's that daddy Joe Kennedy had voted republican in some elections in his later years.  Guess he saw it too!  Anyway back to the topic, no, my family is hardcore mountain people and guns are as common in the house as a saw and hammer, been that way long before I was born!  Will be that way long after I'm gone.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 9:14:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 9:16:31 PM EDT
[left]well i try to stay out politics; ive got into it with some of my uncle's over AK47's, and AR15's. those two weapons has the worst reputation for being evil, despite the one's a varment rifle(AR15), and the other is a reliable 30-30(AK47). then i just say F#ckit, and stay out of politics, and just enjoy my weapons, and i do.[/left]  
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 9:32:10 PM EDT
My brother (indifferent about guns) and his girlfriend (an anti) routinely come to my house for Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner. Last year, they happened to bring a friend each time, who didn't have anything else to do on the Holidays. They both owned handguns, but were not avid shooters. Of course, conversation would eventually turn to guns, and before long, the contents of the gunsafe would be emptied into the livingroom. My brother's friends would spend the rest of the evening with drool on their chins and his GF would just sort of have this shocked look on her face.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 9:40:21 PM EDT
I took someone who doesn't really like guns, and thinks AR's have no good purpose.  I took them out, let them shoot my AR, now, they want one of their very own.  So, try taking one of your anti's shooting and see if they don't change their mind.
Link Posted: 4/1/2001 9:41:46 PM EDT
All I can say SteyrAug is Damn Right- I like your opinions They remind me of mine!
Link Posted: 4/2/2001 5:28:38 AM EDT
I got an unbelievable amount of crap from the wife's family for buying our 4 year old son a BB gun last Christmas.  Now, almost five, he shoots a .22, my SKS, and AR-15 very well with me supporting the weight of the barrel - he loves the recoil, and never complains.
Link Posted: 4/2/2001 7:00:46 AM EDT
My family knows better than to start any anti-gun stuff with me. It's a no win situation for them and they know I'm not going to change.
Link Posted: 4/2/2001 8:05:45 AM EDT
DK-Prof...when you get married will you have to give up your guns?  I'm no expert in the "woman" catagory...but my experience has shown that women change after the ceremony...and what was acceptable is no longer tolerable...Good luck to ya friend [:D]
Link Posted: 4/2/2001 8:21:01 AM EDT
Same here, neverenuf.  Don't even get me started arguing on the second ammendment or I'll make you look like an idiot - quick.  I spend much more time with my in-laws than my side of the family.  Mother-in-law is afraid of guns, but votes conservative.  First time I went to my wife's parents house, we were retrieving some camping stuff from the garage with her dad.... what do I see?...... reloading equipment..... kevlar helmet and flak vest..... hunting rifles.....

I already knew that I wanted to date his daughter - we had/have some similar interests and she was/is pretty as a peach!!  But I have to say that seeing her folk's garage made me think "oooooooo - icing on the cake - yowsah, yowsah, yowsahhhhh!!!!".  A good relationship with the in-laws is NICE!

Link Posted: 4/2/2001 8:24:02 AM EDT
Your anti-gun families will "turn you in for your own good" when all guns are banned.
Link Posted: 4/2/2001 9:05:53 AM EDT
Hey, Scipio - don't ever back down.  My whole family, even my in-laws, are pro-gun and don't take any s*** from anyone because we are right!  Anyway, I got a sister and....[:D]

We have your back here at AR15, bro!
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