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Posted: 9/18/2004 9:55:09 PM EST
has Ronnie Barrett openly denounced california yet?
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 11:15:01 PM EST
I think he pretty much stated that if the ban goes into effect he wouldnt sell anything to PRK including the police etc...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 11:20:42 PM EST
yeah I know but i'm waiting to see if he's put out a word on he issue yet now that the ban IS in effect. I'd think he'd at least mention something.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 11:20:49 PM EST
He said in his previous letters that he wouldn't sell to or service any .gov/LEO rifles in state.

I have to wait until November for financial reasons to buy a .50. I'm *really* hoping he offers some sort of deal to the peons, er, Citizens of the PRK, otherwise it will probably be an AR-50 for me.

The Barrett will come later after I leave. I see an M82A1 in my future plans.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 11:29:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 11:37:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
LEO's in Cali would still be able to buy Barretts even if he won't sell to them though right? All they have to do is go through one of his dealers anywhere in the country.



Can't get them serviced though.. and some parts only Barrett sells ...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 11:59:30 PM EST
Yeah Ronnie could put come kind of "end user not to be a California person type stipulation into his sales". Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:05:16 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:06:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 7:55:05 AM EST by warlord]

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Yeah Ronnie could put come kind of "end user not to be a California person type stipulation into his sales". Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.


I THINK this is only for LAPD, not the rest of the Kali-fornia, since the LAPD cheif spoke out in banning the 50 BMG. This is really going to cost him a lot of money personally, what a committment. How many times does a civilian PD need a 50 BMG?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:08:39 AM EST
barrettrifles.com/news/ltr_0703.htm

June 30, 2003

Chairman, Public Safety Committee
State of California
Sen. Bruce McPherson

Via: Fax (916) 445-4688

Dear Senator McPherson,

United States defense contractors such as Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc., Murfreesboro, TN USA rely on orders from the US Military as a primary source of income but this government income for most contractors is only part of the necessary income for long term survival. Commercial or civilian product sales are also a main source of income that makes payroll and for good working conditions for their employees. We must support these defense contractors in both peace and war and allow them to operate, market and sell their products under the rules, regulations and law of the Federal Government. There is a balance of customers among defense contractors that is necessary for sound, long term business and by eliminating commercial sales in California this balance is disrupted. To vote against .50 cal rifles puts jobs of your constituents as risk, the lives of your police at risk, and in the end the safety of the State of California at risk. Are you willing to jeopardize this?

The defense industrial base in America is at risk of being unable to fully support our country in time of need without adequate opportunity for commercial sales of various products. In the Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc situation the civilian legal Barrett .50 cal rifle is at risk in the state of California. The attempt to ban a legal firearm not only violates the basic principals of the US Constitution but sets a precedence that endangers many vital defense contractors. In the Barrett case it also endangers California law enforcement agencies from having a proven and important tool in the fight against terrorism.

* H. Hayes Parks, Special Assistant to the Judge Advocate of the US Army wrote:
“The M82A1 Barrett… are manifestations of the important historic cooperation played by private citizens and small business in the United States in the development of weapons and munitions necessary for the US Armed Forces to perform their mission to protect the national security interests of the United States by fighting and winning, with as few friendly casualties as possible.” This statement sums up the vital role both government and commercial business play in the sound business practices of various defense contractors of which Barrett is one.

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Page 2
Chairman, Public Safety Committee
June 30, 2003

The Barrett .50 cal rifle was ascertained by the troops on the front lines in Iraq as the best performing small arm and they have the private defense contractor to thank for that weapon. Ban .50 cal rifles in California and you take this tool from your police also. The war on terror is not over! The Barrett .50 cal rifle has been in the hands of competitive shooters, hunters, and collectors for over 20 years and is a mainstay of the long range competitive shooters matches. It also serves on Police SWAT teams as the primary long range anti-sniper weapon.

It is the Barrett position that we choose not to support in anyway state or local governments who are against the US Constitution and the safety and security of this nation. If California were to ban the sale of the Barrett .50 cal rifle we will stop the sale and service of all Barrett products to all State Law Enforcement agencies of the state of California immediately and ask all small arms manufactures to consider similar action. Re-classify the .50 cal rifle and you align yourself and the State of California as being part of the very terrorists who are attempting to destroy this great nation of ours.

Please vote against banning or re-classifying .50 cal rifles.


Respectively,


Ronnie G. Barrett
President
Barrett Firearms Mfg., Inc.
Murfreesboro, TN USA


* Quoted from: Memorandum for Staff Judge Advocate, US Army Special Forces Command, (Airborne), Fort Bragg, NC Sept 7, 1999
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:14:20 AM EST
... I was lucky enough to meet with and talk to Ronnie at this year's SHOT Show

... His RKBA convictions are as strong as anyone’s' here on the board

… A great man indeed, I’m sure he will stand by his word
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 3:37:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.



WTF do cops need a fifty for? Seriously. They aren't citizens with rights, they're public servants. WTF again?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 3:50:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By TimJ:

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.


WTF do cops need a fifty for? Seriously. They aren't citizens with rights, they're public servants. WTF again?


Time for a taste of their own medicine. If a majority of elected officials and cops think these rifles (which HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRIME) don't belong in the hands of civilians, then the Barrett Fifty won't be in the hands of the cops, either.

Works both ways. If we are going to lose rights because of a very small minority of assholes who break the law, then public servants will too.

This crap makes me soooo angry.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 3:50:31 AM EST
When was the last time a California Peace Officer had to shoot a dog with a .50 BMG.....
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:58:25 AM EST
I agree with Mr. Barrett. If all of the major manufacturers refused to do LE dept sales to CA... but Colt would do business with them, and foreign gun makers such as H&K.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 5:03:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Yeah Ronnie could put come kind of "end user not to be a California person type stipulation into his sales". Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.




This kind of thinking is why are rights are being trampled on. Need to get a clue son.

I wasn't thinking about getting a 50, but with Ronnies stand with us, I'm going to save up the dough to support him. Just like he supports us.

I suggest that all of you Cali guys that are getting 50's, get them from Barrett. Even if it costs a little more, cause I don't see the other 50 manufactures doing the same thing as Barrett. We need a committment from the other 50 manufactures to not sell to Cali gov too.

One last thing, everyone should email Ronnie and tell him how much we appreciate his stand and what he's doing to help keep our rights. Anyone got his email?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 6:15:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 6:18:13 AM EST by BobCole]

Originally Posted By TimJ:

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.



WTF do cops need a fifty for? Seriously. They aren't citizens with rights, they're public servants. WTF again?




Are armored cars never held up in your area? What if there's a hostage situation with a hostage (let's say domestic) & the car is inoperable for whatever reason. A good .50 shot thru a wall or roof may be just what the doctor ordered, IMO.

Rural counties wouldn't really need one as they wouldn't have the type of buildings needing a .50 either, IMO. Which is different than wanting one, eh?

FWIW, Ronnie Barrett has agiain shown his kindness & support by donating a Barrett 6.8 (YES!) to next year's Friends of the NRA. That's just too cool, IMO!
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 6:31:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 6:32:43 AM EST by 50cal]
The ban doesn't take effect till 1 Jan '05
Someone from the front office put out a statement on the biggerhammer board about Cali legal guns.....

www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/wwwboard/index.cgi?read=150753
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 6:48:30 AM EST
It sounds like Barrett won't sell equipment to CA. They do make other products other than the .50. Granted the other products are not exclusive to Barrett.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 6:57:12 AM EST

It is the Barrett position that we choose not to support in anyway state or local governments who are against the US Constitution and the safety and security of this nation. If California were to ban the sale of the Barrett .50 cal rifle we will stop the sale and service of all Barrett products to all State Law Enforcement agencies of the state of California immediately and ask all small arms manufactures to consider similar action. Re-classify the .50 cal rifle and you align yourself and the State of California as being part of the very terrorists who are attempting to destroy this great nation of ours.


A big Thank You Ronnie! I think this includes the Cal National Guard.

Now I need a Barrett.

Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:01:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Yeah Ronnie could put come kind of "end user not to be a California person type stipulation into his sales". Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.




Waahhhhhh

If they'd stand up for non-LE civilians maybe this wouldn't happen.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:00:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By TimJ:

Originally Posted By NightWatchman:
Kinda sux to take out on LEOs though, I mean they won't have the tools.



WTF do cops need a fifty for? Seriously. They aren't citizens with rights, they're public servants. WTF again?




Are armored cars never held up in your area? What if there's a hostage situation with a hostage (let's say domestic) & the car is inoperable for whatever reason. A good .50 shot thru a wall or roof may be just what the doctor ordered, IMO.

Rural counties wouldn't really need one as they wouldn't have the type of buildings needing a .50 either, IMO. Which is different than wanting one, eh?

FWIW, Ronnie Barrett has agiain shown his kindness & support by donating a Barrett 6.8 (YES!) to next year's Friends of the NRA. That's just too cool, IMO!


Now here's a man who puts his money where his mouth is, and I admire a guy like that.

Here in the Kali-fornia, prior to the discussion of banning of the 50 BMG, people from the local 50 Caliber Club basically didn't get involved in this firearms legislation stuff, then after the talk of banning the 50BMG started, those folks were up in arms, but as group they didn't amount to a hill of beans. Of course, by then the show was pretty much over.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:09:30 AM EST
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:14:26 AM EST
tag
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:19:17 AM EST
No other gun company has balls like Barret.

When I get to the stage where I'm buying a .50, I'm buying from Barrett. Reward the manufacturers that care for more than cop contracts.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:29:10 AM EST
I doubt there are very many LE agencies in CA or anywhere that have a .50 rifle.

Too expensive for small agencies.

CRC
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:44:15 AM EST
The L82A1 is bit too much for me, but their M468 is the cat's meow

www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m468.htm

Barrett M468

Features and Accessories
·Dual Spring Extractor System
·Muzzle Brake
·Folding Front Sight and Gas Block
·5, 10 and 28 Round Magazine Configurations
·Two-Stage Trigger
·Law Enforcement and Military Configurations Available
- Retail Price $2,535
- Upper Conversion Kit Price $1,494

Additional Features
·ARMS® Selective Integrated Rail (SIR) System Fore End
·ARMS® Folding Rear Sight

The Barrett M468 leaves the performance of the 5.56mm for others to ponder. The M468 can be utilized by law enforcement, military, and civilian shooters. The performance of the 6.8 Remington SPC far surpasses that of the 5.56 mm. This opens new hunting opportunities in states where the 5.56 is too small for larger game. Complete rifles or the upper conversion units are available.
Specifications:
- Caliber 6.8 Remington SPC
- Operation Semi-Automatic, Gas Operated
- Barrel Length 16 in. (Chrome Lined)
- Rifle Weight 7.3 lbs.
- Overall Length 35.4 in
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:08:01 AM EST
This letter to Bratton himself is even better.
www.barrettrifles.com/news/ltr_bratton.htm


December 11, 2002
Via Facsimile (213) 847-0676 and
U.S. Mail

Chief William J. Bratton
Los Angeles Police Department
150 North Los Angeles Street
Los Angeles, California 90012

Re: LAPD 82A1 Rifle, Serial No. 1186

Point of Contact: Jim xxxxx
213-xxx-xxxx


Dear Chief Bratton,

I, a U.S. citizen, own Barrett Firearms Mfg. Inc., and for 20 years, I have built .50 caliber rifles for my fellow citizens, for their Law Enforcement departments and for their nation’s armed forces.

You may be aware of the latest negative misinformation campaign from a Washington based anti-gun group, the Violence Policy Center. The VPC has, for three or so years, been unsuccessful in Washington, D.C. trying to demonize and ban a new subclass of firearms, the .50 caliber and other “too powerful” rifles. This type of nibbling process has been historically successful in civilian disarmament of other nations governed by totalitarian and other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States.

The VPC’s most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002, the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.

Regrettably, the same material has been presented to your city council. I personally attended the council meeting in Los Angeles regarding attempts to ban ownership of the .50 caliber rifle in your city. I was allowed to briefly address the council. The tone of the discussion was mostly emotionally based, so the facts that I attempted to provide were ineffective to the extent they were heard at all. The council voted to have the city attorney draft an ordinance to ban the .50, and further, to instruct the city’s representatives in Sacrament and in Washington, D.C. to push for bans at their respective levels.

At that council meeting, I was very surprised to see an LAPD officer seated front and center with a Barrett 82A1 .50 cal. Rifle. It was the centerpiece of the discussion. As you know, there have been no crimes committed with these rifles, and most importantly, current California law does not allow the sale of the M82A1 in the state because of its detachable magazine and features that make it an “assault weapon.” This rifle was being deceptively used by your department. The officer portrayed it as a sample of a currently available .50 cal rifle, available for sale to the civilians of Los Angeles. One councilman even questioned how this rifle was available under current laws, but as I stated, facts were ineffective that day.

Your officer, speaking for the LAPD, endorsed the banning of this rifle and its ammunition. Then he used the rifle for photo ops with the Councilmen, each of whom, in handling the firearm, may have been committing a felony. I was amazed.

Since 1968, with the closing of the U.S. Springfield Armory, all of the small arms produced for the various government agencies are from the private sector. Every handgun, rifle or shotgun that law enforcement needs comes from this firearms industry. Unless the City of Los Angeles has plans of setting up its own firearms manufacturing, it may need to guard the manufacturing sources it has now.

When I returned to my office from Los Angeles, I found an example of our need for mutual cooperation. Your department had sent one of your 82A1 rifles in to us for service. All of my knowledge in the use of my rifle in the field of law enforcement had been turned upside down by witnessing how your department used yours. Not to protect and serve, but for deception, photo opportunities, and to further an ill-conceived effort that may result in the use of LA taxpayer monies to wage losing political battles in Washington against civil liberties regarding gun ownership.

Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individual to own firearms.

I implore you to investigate the facts of the .50, to consider the liberties of the law-abiding people and our mutual coexistence, and to change your department’s position on this issue.

Sincerely,
BARRETT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, INC.

Ronnie G. Barrett
President

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