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Posted: 3/26/2009 10:20:02 AM EDT
Are there any statistics prove that the '94 AWB ban lowered crime that the anti's can point to in an effort to get a future ban instated? Or perhaps any statistics that show in 2005 crime rates were lower than when the ban was in effect?
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:20:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 10:21:45 AM EDT by USPcompact]
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Are there any statistics prove that the '94 AWB ban lowered crime that the anti's can point to in an effort to get a future ban instated?


No.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:21:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 10:22:24 AM EDT by Sleepy1988]
No, they're all lying sacks of shit when they claim the AWB did anything to lower crime.

Edit:How does restricting arms which have some combination of a pistol grip, flash hider, and telescoping or folding stock reduce crime? The answer is it doesn't.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:24:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
No, they're all lying sacks of shit when they claim the AWB did anything to lower crime.

Edit:How does restricting arms which have some combination of a pistol grip, flash hider, and telescoping or folding stock reduce crime? The answer is it doesn't.




such lies!!!!!!!!!!!!


Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:24:14 AM EDT
None, but they'll make some up.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:24:50 AM EDT
Quite the opposite. Some .gov agency did a study which showed the AWB had no effect whatsoever on crime.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:25:29 AM EDT
They don't have to have anything that's actually documented, they just pull factoids out of their asses as needed. They need a statistic, they just make one up, the MSM reports it to the sheeple who lap it up like buttermilk and before you know it, its true!
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:26:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Quite the opposite. Some .gov agency did a study which showed the AWB had no effect whatsoever on crime.


Link to study?
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:27:40 AM EDT
It made squishy libtards feel better and gain power over the subjects, Er, I mean people.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:28:06 AM EDT
The last AWB was unsuccessful in reducing crime because they left too many loopholes open. The next ban obviously needs to be much more restrictive.

Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:28:13 AM EDT
Let me just say that I've never friggin' heard of a drive-by bayoneting. So the AWB didn't accomplish squat.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:28:29 AM EDT
None.

If there had been statistics to support it, someone would have made a case for renewing it in 2004.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:29:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Quite the opposite. Some .gov agency did a study which showed the AWB had no effect whatsoever on crime.


Link to study?


http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:29:52 AM EDT
"Shall not be infringed."


Very easy to understand, unless you are a professional parasite.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:30:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 10:31:09 AM EDT by Volucris]
there's a dupe of this
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:30:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By n0zzle:
"Shall not be infringed."


Very easy to understand, unless you are a professional parasite.


But guns are for militia members! Join the national guard!
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:31:15 AM EDT
They don't care what it did last time; but they will use the new excuse that is will make MX safer.......there was no violence there when the '94 ban was in use...now that it's gone, look what happened.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:33:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 10:34:47 AM EDT by Dr_Dickie]
Generally there is no correlation between gun bans and crime. The reason being, it is not the guns but the criminals that commit crime.
Even when CCW permits increased and crime went down, the correlation was more likely with longer prison sentences for career criminals that also were put into action at that time.
To show that the AWB did nothing, just look at crime rates in states that had and then lifted the ban, and compare rates to states like California that in effect kept the ban. You will no see any significant difference.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:34:25 AM EDT
Clinton commissioned a study that showed Gun Control was ineffective either way. Didn't help or hurt a thing.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:34:28 AM EDT
Mexico is giving the douche bags new crap to fling about! AWB did nothing but infringe our rights!
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 10:38:55 AM EDT
Nope, that is why they are now pushing so hard on the guns going to Mexico and the Mexican violence and blaming it on US guns.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 11:07:44 AM EDT
No the FBI came out with their 10 year study siting the AWB as worthless.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 11:12:32 AM EDT
But guys, you aren't realizing how many crimes were "prevented" because of the AWB...

just like the current stimulus plan will produce or "save" X number of jobs...

it's an intractable liberal thing, you just wouldn't understand
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 11:16:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 11:25:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 11:25:44 AM EDT by clement]
Nope, while crime did fall during the AWB years, the states that already had an AWB in place from before the national ban fell by an equal amount as the newly banned states. The reason for the drop in crime was probably due to the prospering economy.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 11:26:16 AM EDT
No, and there were higher frequency of mass killings back in those days than these days.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 1:02:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 1:07:00 PM EDT by Lexington]
Check this out: National Institute For Justice report

ETA: Mine is older than the one posted previously by USPcompact.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 3:46:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 3:47:25 PM EDT by orangelo]
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Quite the opposite. Some .gov agency did a study which showed the AWB had no effect whatsoever on crime.


The CDC came out with one and a study from Harvard concluded the same thing. No licensing, registration or ban had any discernable effect on violent crime rates
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 3:51:08 PM EDT
Nope and the study that was supposed to show effectiveness (already posted) more or less said it didn't do anything.

Link Posted: 3/26/2009 3:53:50 PM EDT
Does it even matter? They will just distort the statistics, then they will say "well, it didn't ban the production of look-alikes" and as DJ pointed out, there were no bayonet attacks.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 4:01:52 PM EDT
I heard that the violent crime rate actually went up during the AWB.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 4:05:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 4:10:18 PM EDT by orangelo]
Originally Posted By Nick1971:
I heard that the violent crime rate actually went up during the AWB.


The Columbine Massacre (1999), North Hollywood Bank Shootout (1997), and DC Sniper Attacks (2002) all happened during the gun ban.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 4:12:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 4:19:51 PM EDT by The_Macallan]
Getting The Facts STRAIGHT
About Banning "Assault Weapons"



FACT: "Assault Weapons" are RARELY ever used in crimes -
Top 10 Most Frequently Traced Guns Used In Crimes In 1994 (BEFORE the '94 Federal "Assault Weapon" Ban):
1) Lorcin P25 (pistol)
2) Davis Ind. P380 (pistol)
3) Raven Arms MP25 (pistol)
4) Lorcin L25 (pistol)
5) Mossberg 500 (shotgun)
6) Phoenix Arms Raven (pistol)
7) Jennings J22 (pistol)
8) Ruger P89 (pistol)
9) Glock 17 (pistol)
10) Bryco 38 (pistol)
Source: US Dept. Justice.


FACT: "Assault Weapons" are RARELY ever used to kill police officers -
Calibers Most Often Used To Kill Police Officers In 1994 (BEFORE the '94 Federal "Assault Weapon" Ban):
1) .38 caliber handgun - 25.2%
2) .357 magnum handgun - 12.1%
3) 9mm handgun - 9.5%
5) 12 gauge shotgun - 7.4%
6) .22 caliber handgun - 5.4%
7) .22 caliber rifle - 4.4%
Source: US Dept. Justice.


According to the most recent detailed report, Dept. of Justice; Firearm Use by Offender...

FACT: "Assault weapons" are RARELY possessed by criminals during commission of a crime -
State and Federal prison inmates armed during the crime for which they are being incarcerated: (table 2)
* 9.9% of state and 7.3% of federal inmates possessed "single-shot" firearms.
* 7.9% of state and 7.7% of federal inmates possessed conventional semiautomatic firearm.
* 1.5% of state and 1.7% of federal inmates possessed military-style semi-auto or full-auto firearms.

FACT: "Assault weapons" are RARELY involved in ANY crimes -
State and Federal prison inmates who have ever possessed firearms during ANY crime: (table 2)
* 14.2% of state and 10.6% of federal inmates possessed "single-shot" firearm during ANY crime.
* 10.9% of state and 9.8% of federal inmates possessed conventional semiautomatic firearm during ANY crime.
* 2.5% of state and 2.3% of federal inmates possessed military-style semi-auto or full-auto firearms during ANY crime.

FACT: "Assault weapons" possessed by criminals during crimes are usually obtained ILLEGALLY -
Of State prison inmates who possessed military-style semi-auto or full-auto firearms in crimes for which they are incarcerated: (table 10)
* 48.5% obtained them through illegal sources (theft, drug dealer, black market, etc.)
* 25.2% obtained them from family or friend.
* 19.3% obtained them from retail sale.
* 1.9% obtained them from gun shows. (so much for that supposed gun-show "loophole" being a major source of "assault weapons" used in crime)

FACT: "Assault weapons" that are possessed during a crime are the LEAST LIKELY type of firearm to be actually discharged during the crime.

FACT: "Assault weapons" that are possessed during a crime are the LEAST LIKELY type of firearm to be used to injure the victim.

FACT:"Assault weapons" that are possessed during a crime are the LEAST LIKELY type of firearm to be used to kill the victim.


"ASSAULT WEAPONS" HAVE NEVER BEEN A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN GUN-CRIMES.





FACT: The "Assault Weapon" Ban Did NOT Reduce The Number Of Officers Killed In The Line Of Duty -
Six years prior to "Assault Weapon" Ban:
Year....Total LEOs Killed...By Handguns...By Other Guns...By Other Methods

1988..................78.......................63......................13....................2
1989..................66.......................40......................17....................9
1990..................66.......................48.......................9....................9
1991..................71.......................50......................18....................3
1992..................64.......................44......................11....................9
1993..................70.......................50......................17....................3
TOTALS...........415......................295......................85...................35

Six years after "Assault Weapon" Ban:
Year....Total LEOs Killed...By Handguns...By Other Guns...By Other Methods

1995..................74.......................43......................19...................12
1996..................61.......................50.......................7....................4
1997..................70.......................49......................18....................3
1998..................61.......................40......................18....................3
1999..................42.......................25......................16....................1
2000..................51.......................33......................14....................4
TOTALS...........355......................240......................92...................26
CHANGE......(-14%).................(-19%)................(+8%)...........(-26%)

Source: US Dept. Justice, Law Enforcement Officers Feloniously Killed
* The number of police killed by non-handgun firearms (which includes "assault weapons") has NOT decreased since the passing of the "assault weapon" ban in 1994 but in fact has INCREASED since the passage of the AWB. And this comes despite the decrease in the number of LEOs killed by all other means INCLUDING handguns.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" BAN REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LEOs KILLED. PERIOD.





FACT: Studies demonstrated that the "Assault Weapon" ban "FAILED" to reduce gun-murders:

From The 1997 "Impact Evaluation" of the "Assault Weapon" Ban -

"We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple bullet wounds per victim. We did find a reduction in killings of police officers since mid-1995. However, the available data are partial and preliminary, and the trends may have been influenced by law enforcement agency policies regarding bullet-proof vests."
5.2.3. Assault Weapons and Crime -
"...assault weapons do not appear to be used disproportionately in violent crime relative to other guns"
"Overall, assault weapons accounted for about 1% of guns associated with homicides, aggravated assaults, and robberies" and "only 2% of guns associated with drug crimes were assault weapons."

5.2.4. Unbanned Handguns Capable of Accepting Large-capacity Magazines -
"The ban on large-capacity magazines does not seem to have discouraged the use of these guns."

6.2.1. Trends in Multiple-Victim Gun Homicides -
"[Studies] failed to produce any evidence that the ban reduced the number of victims per gun homicide incident."

6.3.4. Conclusions -
"[Studies] failed to produce evidence of a post-ban reduction in the average number of gunshot wounds per case or in the proportion of cases involving multiple wounds."
6.4.2. Assault Weapons and Homicides of Police Officers -
"In sum, police officers are rarely murdered with assault weapons."



From The 1999 "Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban" Report To Congress -

"the weapons ["assault weapons] banned by this legislation were used only rarely in gun crimes before the ban"
"The ban has failed to reduce the average number of victims per gun murder incident or multiple gunshot wound victims."
"...the banned guns are used in only a small fraction of gun crimes; even before the ban, most of them rarely turned up in law enforcement agencies' requests... to trace the sales histories of guns recovered in criminal investigations."
"The ban's short-term impact on gun violence has been uncertain"



From The FINAL June 2004 "Updated Assessment On The Federal Assault Weapon Ban" Report To Congress -

"AWs [Assault weapons] were used in only a small fraction of gun crimes prior to the ban"

"...we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence."

"...there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence... as we might have expected had the ban reduced crimes committed with AWs (assault weapons) and LCMs (large-capacity magazines)."

"Thus, it is premature to make definitive assessments of the ban's impact on gun violence."

THE DEFINITIVE CONGRESSIONAL REPORTS ON THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" BAN SHOWED THAT IT "FAILED" TO REDUCE GUN-MURDERS.





FACT: "Assault weapons" are NOT "machine guns".
They are "semi-automatic" meaning one pull of the trigger=one bullet discharged while the next bullet is then chambered ready for the next trigger pull. "Assault weapons" are not full-auto firearms and they do NOT "spray" bullets with a single pull of the trigger.
"ASSAULT WEAPONS" ARE NOT MACHINE-GUNS.





FACT: The "Assault weapon" Ban had NOTHING to do with silencers.
One of the cosmetic features addressed by the "Assault Weapon" Ban included flash-suppressors which reduce the bright muzzle-glare ONLY in the eyes of the shooter in low-light conditions. Flash-suppressors do NOT "hide" the bright flash from any other observer and do NOT "silence" the very loud report of the gunshot sound.
"FLASH-SUPPRESSORS" ARE NOT "SILENCERS" AND DO NOT MAKE THE SHOOTER "INVISIBLE" AT NIGHT.





FACT: The Columbine-Killers did not violate any provision of "Assault Weapon" ban.
The firearms used in Columbine included two sawed-off shotguns (already illegal), a pistol and a legally-produced TEC-9 "assault weapon". The "assault weapon" ban did not stop those two UNDERAGE killers from illegally acquiring the guns, illegally modifying the shotguns, illegally bringing them to school or illegally murdering 13 people.
THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" BAN DID NOT TAKE GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS.





FACT: The 1994 Federal "Assault Weapon" Ban did NOT actually ban "assault weapons".
The ban only prohibited the NEW PRODUCTION of certain firearms based on cosmetic features. There were hundreds of thousands of "assault weapons" legally owned, bought and sold BEFORE the ban was implemented and, DESPITE the overall drop in crime rates during the ban, there were STILL hundreds of thousands of "assault weapons" being legally, peacefully and safely owned, bought and sold during the 10 years of the ban's existance.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF EXISTING "UZIs, AR-15s AND AK-47s" WERE COMPLETELY LEGAL TO OWN, BUY AND SELL FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE FEDERAL "ASSAULT WEAPON BAN" - AND YET CRIME RATES STILL DECREASED.





FACT: Nobody NEEDS to infringe on the 2nd Amendment in order to reduce crime.
Our RIGHTS do not ebb and flow or come and go with the annual crime reports.
Our RIGHTS do not depend upon what today's gangbangers or psychopaths decide to do to get their next thrill or rage out.
Our RIGHTS are not contingent upon, qualified by nor based on what CRIMINALS use to commit crimes!
Our RIGHTS are derived from natural law, specifically protected by the Constitution and are NOT dependant on the findings in any crime studies!!!
Banning the possession of "assault weapons" because of some crime statistics is like banning alcohol because of drunk driving deaths or like banning boxcutters because of 9-11.
OUR RIGHTS ARE NOT DERIVED FROM, NOR DETERMINED BY, THE MOST RECENT CRIME STATISTICS!
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 4:16:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Are there any statistics prove that the '94 AWB ban lowered crime that the anti's can point to in an effort to get a future ban instated? Or perhaps any statistics that show in 2005 crime rates were lower than when the ban was in effect?


It doesn't matter if crime dropped to zero during the ban. "Assualt weapons" were still sold during the ban, just sans flash hiders or folding stocks. The only thing a reduced crime rate during the ban could have proved is that flash hiders cause crime, which is absurd.
Link Posted: 3/26/2009 5:27:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 5:31:38 PM EDT by kap_x]
I'm writing a paper this week(end) on "Assault Weapons": The History and Application of Legal Policy and its Effects on Crime for my Senior Seminar in the Administration of Criminal Justice class.
If I like it enough, I might post it.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 3:30:57 PM EDT
bump for the OP author.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 3:35:07 PM EDT
"Assault weapons" aren't very popular with criminals in the U.S.. However, they are all the rage in Mexico. Therefore, they must be banned in the U.S. Makes perfect sense to me.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 3:45:08 PM EDT
I’m sure they could point to a few studies that show it lowered crime; however the results would be skewed. Just like their “8 kids a day are killed by a gun” or whatever it is bullshit. If a 24 year old gang member was shot and killed by a LEO it counted as a “kid being killed by a gun.” Which, of course, makes total sense.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 3:45:33 PM EDT
no quite the opposite
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 3:52:59 PM EDT
The Stats are there...But they are secret.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 4:21:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kap_x:
I'm writing a paper this week(end) on "AssaultWeapons": The History and Application of Legal Policy and its Effects onCrime for my Senior Seminar in the Administration of Criminal Justice class.
If I like it enough, I might post it.

Do it. I had to do a damn thesis on the impact of seatbelt laws on traffic fatalities. Real exciting.

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