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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:07:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 6:40:49 AM EDT by efpeter]
The wife and I have both been pretty moody for the last few days, so last night we started talking. We both realized we are just sick and tired of everything that goes on here.

People with any common sense are so rare. There are people who actually believe that a twelve year old girl should be able to get an abortion without her parents permission. There are people who actually believe that the "government" has to give them food, shelter, and cash. There are people who actually believe that God should be banned from every public place. There are people who actually believe allowing illegal immigrants into the country to work is more important that preventing nuclear weapons from being smuggled into the country to kill millions of citizens.
I could write a few hundred things, but it would only make me madder. The real bitch is everytime some politician gets a wild bug up his ass and tries to do the right thing, he is shut down by the supreme court.

For the first time in my life, I have to begin to question the viability of the United States of America. I served my country, I wave my flag, I pay my taxes. I find myself asking why? I believe it is a foregone conclusion that the US is dying. It will take some more time, but the process has begun.

Now I face the difficult question of what to do about it. I don't think there is anything I can do to "cure" the US. So, I have to conclude that the best option is to just leave. Call me a rat if you want, but this is a sinking ship. It's the f'in titanic steaming for an iceberg.

My question is, is there any country on Earth that still has freedom? How do I even begin looking? Am I just turing into a wild flake?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:09:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:12:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 6:13:27 AM EDT by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By efpeter:
There are people who actually believe that God should be banned from every public place.



Fixed it.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:12:28 AM EDT
Tag because the more I think about it ...the more I'm thinking about it too!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:13:25 AM EDT
Don't like the US? Then leave. Noone's holding you here. I'm not being snide. Seriously, move.

I hear Iraq is lovely this time of year.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:13:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 6:14:36 AM EDT by MatterhornMonkey]
Try the rural parts of Switzerland, you won't be disappointed

Edit: isn't Indiana one of the States with the best gun laws? Why move?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:18:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:25:48 AM EDT
Norway still the world's best place to live
For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale

The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.

The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.

Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.

The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.

The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place.

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:27:00 AM EDT
I really don't want to leave, esp my home state of Indiana! I am just so sick and tired of all the crap, and being powerless to do anything about it. It all just seems hopeless.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:31:43 AM EDT
When Willie Klinton was first elected I thought, "Great. The inmates have taken over the asylum."

When he was reelected (Thanks, Ross, really. ) I pulled my globe down off the shelf and started looking for a place to go.

Even with him in the top chair I couldn't find a better place to live.

Ken Hamblin has a book, "Pick A Better Country." He makes some sense in it.

Undoubtedly, we have imperfections, warts, blemishes, and other liberal elements in our society. But anyplace run by people will be flawed.

The USA has lost some of its greatness over the years in terms of individual liberty and the general goodness of society and the standards it tolerates, but it's still a pretty darned good place to live.

Within the country, Montana is starting to look pretty good to me.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:31:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By efpeter:
I really don't want to leave, esp my home state of Indiana! I am just so sick and tired of all the crap, and being powerless to do anything about it. It all just seems hopeless.



I've been to 17 other countries. Trust me, we've got it good and we're WAY ahead of the curve.
Most of America is sane. Don't let little sound bites from the news networks get you down.

AMERICA ROCKS!!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:33:59 AM EDT
I like it in INDIANA!

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And In America, too
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:36:17 AM EDT
TEXAS!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:36:56 AM EDT
Turn off your TV. That's the most important thing to do first. You will feel much better.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:38:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 6:40:08 AM EDT by efpeter]
Oh, alright! You convinced me, I'll stay!





ETA: Am I too easy?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:41:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By efpeter:
Oh, alright! You convinced me, I'll stay!





ETA: Am I too easy?



You didn't even put up a fight.

Welcome back!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:42:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:43:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 6:44:34 AM EDT by kill-9]

Originally Posted By Norge1956:
Norway still the world's best place to live
For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale

The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.

The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.

Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.

The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.

The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place.




What is Norway's tax environment? They are a member state of the EU - oops, no they aren't. Can citizens own guns?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:43:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:45:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Turn off your TV. That's the most important thing to do first. You will feel much better.



I was about to say this. +1



Damn straight.

I still watch some tv, but always know the media is biased and don't read much into what they report.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:47:16 AM EDT
What do you do to make the country better? I need an outlet. Somehow writing letters just doesn't seem to pack much punch, and it's just a bit premature to start the revolution.


GOVERNMENT


Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:50:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Norge1956:
Norway still the world's best place to live
For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale

The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.

The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.

Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.

The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.

The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place.




Ah, Norway. It is nice. I went there in 2003 to shoot machine guns. It is very expensive due to gov't giveaways. Example: a large pizza and 2 cokes was 350NOK, or about $52. And the diversity celibrated in the article means that Norway is importing many problems from other countries that will further drain the public coffers. It is a beautiful place, but pretty damn cold. Taxes are very high, and you'll have to drive one of those little Euro turd cars and not your big American gas hog.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:51:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Turn off your TV. That's the most important thing to do first. You will feel much better.



I do have a tendancy to get wound up too tight when I watch TV/listen to AM radio.

There has to be a line between beating your head against the wall, and our duty to stay informed and somehow keep politicians in check.


[southpark]So, every election is a choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich?[/southpark]


Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:54:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:55:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By efpeter:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Turn off your TV. That's the most important thing to do first. You will feel much better.



I do have a tendancy to get wound up too tight when I watch TV/listen to AM radio.

There has to be a line between beating your head against the wall, and our duty to stay informed and somehow keep politicians in check.



I tend to fall into the same trap. I have to make a conscious effort to only skim the headlines a few times a day but not to dwell on the bad news. I avoid watching CNN and Fox News more than an hour or so - they necessarily sensationalize/dramatize bad news to try to keep viewers.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:56:27 AM EDT

Any place left on Earth worth going?

i'm thinking idaho...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:02:08 AM EDT
Go to Alaska!
I'm considering teaching there...best gun laws in the U.S. and plenty of untainted land...until they start drilling that is.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:05:08 AM EDT



while turning off the TV does allow you to ignore the rediculousness going on in the US, it does not allow you to ignore the MILLIONS of bull$hit laws, taxes, etc. that exist because of the people making those rediculous statements.


Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:06:55 AM EDT
Actually, Norway is #1 on the list of standard of living for 5 not 4 years straight. Finland is #1 in environmental quality. I believe a reason for this are that the people are willing to accept a lower rate of consumption (although it's certainly not zero), but the primary reason is that it is a sparsely populated country with abundant natural resources, including oil. They are also countries where there are relatively few rich people, and the difference in wages between, say a cab driver and a doctor are not terribly great.

Canada is also listed as a country with a high standard of living.

But I imagine many conservative Americans would consider these highly socialist countries.

Sure do produce good looking gals though.

Curiously, Alaska, at least the SE portion of it, while possessing fewer people and much natural resource wealth including hydropower, seems to be pretty under developed.

With respect to Idaho, it is a fine fine state, but there are a lot of Californians and other types such as myself which jack up prices and alter the culture in some areas.


Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:10:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:14:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cool-e:

Originally Posted By Norge1956:
Norway still the world's best place to live
For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale

The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.

The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.

Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.

The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.

The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place.




Ah, Norway. It is nice. I went there in 2003 to shoot machine guns. It is very expensive due to gov't giveaways. Example: a large pizza and 2 cokes was 350NOK, or about $52. And the diversity celibrated in the article means that Norway is importing many problems from other countries that will further drain the public coffers. It is a beautiful place, but pretty damn cold. Taxes are very high, and you'll have to drive one of those little Euro turd cars and not your big American gas hog.


little Euro turd cars
Switzerland:
-Decentralized small Goverment
-Low Taxes
-EXTREMELY high salaries
-The only country besides the US where guns are a RIGHT and not a privilege.
-Very good gun laws and CCW
-Good property rights
-No homosexual marriage or adoption, only certain tax reliefs.
-Abortion regulated
-Strong anti EU feeling, EU membership was rejected twice by 80% and 77%.
-Retirement system based on personal accounts.
-"Cooperation" with the EU refused by about 45% of the population.
-Capitalist system, 4 of the 5 major parties are capitalists.
-Nice mountains.
and last but not least, American Auto shops (with Trans Am's, Dodge pickups and Firebirds) are all over the place
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:18:21 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:26:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Norge1956:

.....the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard .......






Ahhh, the United Nations.

I was going to say something else, but I think that pretty much sums it up.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:32:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daisywench:
Don't like the US? Then leave. Noone's holding you here. I'm not being snide. Seriously, move.

I hear Iraq is lovely this time of year.



Daisywench, just saying you aren't being snide doesn't mean you aren't being snide.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:35:06 AM EDT
Anywhere else, you need to make three times as much to live half as well.

You do not know how well you have it.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:48:45 AM EDT
Norge1956, Sometimes I wanna smack my grandparents in the head for leaving Norge, But then i remember that in 1920 Norway was'nt what it is today, thanks to north sea oil. Besides if they did'nt come here id've never been born! Plus in 1920 Norway still had to suffer Nazi occupation 20 years down the road. Some of my relatives in Christiansen had there houses demolished. For all those who think Norway is cold think again! Well it aint Texas! yee-haw! But it's not Alaska or Canada either. The waters of the north sea actually keep Norway quite temperate. Though if you go swimming in the water you will die of Hypothermia! So yes if i had a choiice of where to live in Europe it would probably be Norway or Sweden (my Greatgrandmother was from there) But NOT Finland! According to "old school" scandinavians, the fins are the bottom of the barrel.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 7:52:05 AM EDT
If you're looking for a tax haven, the choice seems to be between Monaco and Switzerland...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:04:29 AM EDT
As a proud Icelandic citizen, I must say this place is great.

But we are not free, lots of laws passed recently towards the definition of a police state. Income tax is 36.5%, the 24.5% VAT stacks. Cost of living is high. Gun laws suck. Real estate bubble is killing us(up ~100% this year), Gallon of un-leaded(95oct is what we got) is above 7$ atm, list goes on and on.
I love my country, but i want out! (Skrew Norway!, btw)

Useless Gun law details:
For a permit you need to be 20, clean police record, clean physical.
To own more then 3 firearms, you must own a bolted down safe and seperate locked ammo storage, that the cops come to your house to inspect before signing off on your 4th gun.
You can only legally possess 5.000 rounds total, of ammo. To legally reload you must take a course with a certified reloader. Not sure how much powder you can move around without a licence for distructive material..etc.

First year of permit you can own: Non-Semi 22. rifles /12g shotguns.
Second year: Semi-Shotguns, Non-Semi Rifles up to 8mm.
Third year: If with a gun club and takeing part in shooting competition. You can apply for your own pistol at some point.
Also: You can apply for anything within reason, but you need a good excuse. "Semi-22 for killing rats at the family farm"...whatever. I know of some 50. BMG custom guns around, can you say, erm, "hunting mutant seals at extended range"

For some good news, if you would feel the need to say, shoot a burgler in your own property. A life sentence here is 16 years. But since we got almost zero violent crime(police state and all) you wouldn't need to. However, if a family member got sexually assaulted, i would say go for it. Rape cases hardly ever end in convicton here. Most victims dont even press charges.

This place has never seen any armed conflict(Other then Viking warfare prior to the 1200's conversion to christianity...Someone got dead, they needed to be revenged), short of 25.000 british troops and replaced as much as 50.000 americans troops during WW2.(got no statistics on war-brides)
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:05:08 AM EDT
Try Switzerland - of course you have to be a citizen to own all the toys, me thinks.
To be a citizen you have to be able to speak ONE of the official languages.
Try Montana instead - thats where my destination is.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:27:09 AM EDT
When you start losing your appreciation for the United States, it's time for a trip overseas. Doesn't matter where, some places are worse than others, but none compare to the United States.

If you are comtemplating a move, take some time off and head out to Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming. American values are alive and well in those states.

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:30:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daisywench:
Don't like the US? Then leave. Noone's holding you here. I'm not being snide. Seriously, move.

I hear Iraq is lovely this time of year.



I think he's asking if there is a better place.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:32:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Try Switzerland - of course you have to be a citizen to own all the toys, me thinks.
To be a citizen you have to be able to speak ONE of the official languages.
Try Montana instead - thats where my destination is.



For full autos, silencers, night vision and lasers you need a special permit for which you can apply at your local police department IIRC.(Prior to 2002 you applied at your Cantonal Gov).
Other than that you can own anthing you want, 50 cal rifle/semi auto sig 552/shotgun etc as an AMERICAN citizen living in Switzerland. You will have to register your stuff though. I'm not sure if you can have a CCW if you don't have swiss citizenship, it is however easy to get naturalized provided that you are from a prosperous western country like the USA for example.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:39:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By t-stox:
... Besides if they did'nt come here id've never been born!



Sure you would have. But you would have been someone else.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:43:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Joe357:
As a proud Icelandic citizen, I must say this place is great.



And you didn't even mention the world's most gorgeous women...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 8:56:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By daisywench:
Don't like the US? Then leave. Noone's holding you here. I'm not being snide. Seriously, move.

I hear Iraq is lovely this time of year.



I think he's asking if there is a better place.



Oh, I know he is. I really wasn't trying to be snide, truly. I just couln't imagine living anywhere but the US. I've travelled everywhere, and all countries have their issues.

I guess you have to pick what issues are the most important to you.

the next question is, are you going to deny your US citizenship?

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:00:33 AM EDT
Kentucky.

We keep it all in the family.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:07:55 AM EDT
I am looking to a better place, but it ain't on this globe or in this life...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:07:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:14:00 AM EDT by st0newall]

Originally Posted By MatterhornMonkey:

Originally Posted By cool-e:

Originally Posted By Norge1956:
Norway still the world's best place to live
For the fourth year in a row, the United Nations has ranked Norway as having the highest standard of living in the world. Sweden, Australia and Canada are next in line, while the United States is further down the scale

The annual ranking is based largely on average levels of education and income, combined with expected length of lifetime.

The report measured standards of living in 177 countries around the world. Other Nordic countries also ranked high, with Iceland in 7th place, Finland 13th and Denmark 17th.

Norway's gross national product per person amounted to USD 36,600, beaten only by Luxembourg. Its men and women are expected to live to an age of 78.9 years and Norway is one of 19 countries in the world with no measurable rates of illiteracy.

Researchers for the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) also weighed countries' degrees of cultural freedom in their analysis. They called cultural freedom a "basic human right," and awarded high scores in this year's UN Human Development Report to countries that accept immigrant cultures in addition to their own.

Norway's cultural diversity has blossomed in recent years, and public policies are aimed at integrating various ethnic groups and promoting tolerance.

Norway also was lauded for its high literacy rate in addition to educational levels and material wealth. Norwegians themselves generally point to their country's scenic beauty, recreational opportunities, clean water and fresh air.

The United States landed in eighth place on the list, while France, for example, was 16th.

The worst countries in which to live are all in Africa, according to the UN report. All 23 nations at the bottom of the list were African, with war-torn Sierra Leone in last place.




Ah, Norway. It is nice. I went there in 2003 to shoot machine guns. It is very expensive due to gov't giveaways. Example: a large pizza and 2 cokes was 350NOK, or about $52. And the diversity celibrated in the article means that Norway is importing many problems from other countries that will further drain the public coffers. It is a beautiful place, but pretty damn cold. Taxes are very high, and you'll have to drive one of those little Euro turd cars and not your big American gas hog.


little Euro turd cars
Switzerland:
-Decentralized small Goverment
-Low Taxes
-EXTREMELY high salaries
-The only country besides the US where guns are a RIGHT and not a privilege.
-Very good gun laws and CCW
-Good property rights
-No homosexual marriage or adoption, only certain tax reliefs.
-Abortion regulated
-Strong anti EU feeling, EU membership was rejected twice by 80% and 77%.
-Retirement system based on personal accounts.
-"Cooperation" with the EU refused by about 45% of the population.
-Capitalist system, 4 of the 5 major parties are capitalists.
-Nice mountains.
and last but not least, American Auto shops (with Trans Am's, Dodge pickups and Firebirds) are all over the place



yes... well switzerland is a neat place.. however i dont think they let many people emigrate there..

but man i love mountains and snow and switzerland is a nice place for that...

never forget this story.. a guy i worked with was in switzerland visiting some folks he knew. They had a case of grenades in the kitchen. something about all citizens part of the militia and everyone is REQUIRED to have some military training and keep their military stores distributed amongs the citizens at large....
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:09:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daisywench:

Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:

Originally Posted By daisywench:
Don't like the US? Then leave. Noone's holding you here. I'm not being snide. Seriously, move.

I hear Iraq is lovely this time of year.



I think he's asking if there is a better place.



Oh, I know he is. I really wasn't trying to be snide, truly. I just couln't imagine living anywhere but the US. I've travelled everywhere, and all countries have their issues.

I guess you have to pick what issues are the most important to you.

the next question is, are you going to deny your US citizenship?



Well, I have to get mine first. I came here from elsewhere and I'm a resident alien, not a citizen (yet).
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:29:43 AM EDT
Antarctica has no government whatsoever.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:30:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redpine:
I am looking to a better place, but it ain't on this globe or in this life...



Send us a postcard, if it sounds good enough maybe we'll join you.
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