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Posted: 1/7/2006 5:07:04 PM EDT
I was watching "Rough Guide" (a travel show) and the reporterette was talking to a native Hawaiian who said "we don't see ourselves as Americans" and their strategy was to get concession after concession until they work their way to full independance from the USA. Anyone have knowledge of the situation on the ground there? Is it really that bad?
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:09:53 PM EDT
Theres alot of native hawians who push that crap. The natives are all Fat, lazy, stinky, UGLY SOBS and cant run anything for themselves.
They wont leave the union, they need the wellfare.
I HATE native hawians.


Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:10:49 PM EDT
Bush is selling Hawaii to Japan last I heard.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:11:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
Bush is selling Hawaii to Japan last I heard.



I knew he was up to something.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:17:33 PM EDT
My friend there says no. Like here, the anarchists are very noisy but lack real public support. If it was just native Hawaiians voting it would be a close vote POSSIBLY. Add all the others in and it's not likely. They don't elect very many native Hawaiians as it is for public offices.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:18:03 PM EDT
Not likely.

Hawaii is a blue state that embraces Dummycrats, the Nanny State and its Socialist ideals. There's not a chance in hell that they would take one step toward the requirements that secession would require any more than all the fuckwads that threatened to leave the U.S. after Bush won actually did.

(Born in Hawaii and have a deep love for what it USE to be. Now it's just Los Angeles with more palm trees and better weather.)
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:21:13 PM EDT
They may mouth the words and chant the slogans, but when push comes to shove they won't give up the welfare from Uncle Sugar.

If they did get independence, from what I've been hearing lately, the richest meth dealer would soon be the king.

Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:25:17 PM EDT
If Hawaii goes... then damn it Alaska should go too! At least then there would be a reason for CONUS assholes to charge outrageous shipping prices.

~Dg84
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:28:41 PM EDT
It should become a separate state along with commiefornia and we can watch ans bet on how long they last as liberal enclaves for evil.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:36:46 PM EDT
Hey there nf9648, you do know that there are more AR-15 owners in California than ANY OTHER state, right?
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:39:33 PM EDT
The real question is when will Texas.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:41:47 PM EDT
Hawaii can't afford to secede. The other 49 states pay their welfare checks.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:48:53 PM EDT

Sure, but the military bases stay behind
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:57:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
The real question is when will Texas.



Gimme some warning, its a long ride home.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:12:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 6:13:02 PM EDT by Big_Bear]
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:14:57 PM EDT
Just cut off the Spam supply to keep Hawaii in line.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:20:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Big_Bear:

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
The real question is when will Texas.


First they have to figure out how to spell it.

In that other thread it was spelled sucede, seceed, seseede, secceed, etc.




Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:35:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 6:40:02 PM EDT by ArmedAndRetarded]
I've been keeping a close eye on the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement all the years I've been living here. A reinstated kingdom will never happen primarily because the soveriengty groups are all in competition with each other and our large military presence here will never allow it.

On Maui and drunk guy named Kimo Akahi claims to be the legitamite king and has taken the name Majesty Akahi Nui. Here's his website:www.freehawaii.org
I call him a drunk because one time he called my work place and I spoke with him. He sounded, well... DRUNK!
They way this guy operates is to scare people into believing that one day the kingdom will be reinstated and all Hawaiian lands will fall under his crown. All land owners will loose their titles when that happens unless you deed the land over to his kingdom now. If you give him title to your land now, he promises you can keep using the land after his government is reestablished.
Believe it or not, many people have given THOUSANDS of acres over to this guy!
Anyone with a brain sees this guy as a simple scam artist, but you'd be surprise he is still considered a major player in the sovereignty movement.

However, Kimo has some competition from a guy on Oahu who claims to be king. I think his name is Peter Silva, I dont feel like looking up his website right now.

The one thing all the different soverignty groups have in common is that the new kingdom will be a marxist state with a race-based caste system. Native Hawaiians will be at the top and everyone else will be somewhere below them.
Their marxist philosophy coupled with the desire to see America gone, has attracted lots of white liberal to their cause. An example is Scott Crawford, a white guy who lives in Hana. Here's his webpage www.hawaiiankingdom.info . Feel free to stop by and tell him what you think in his comments section. This a man who is commited to overthrowning the United States.

On Maui, a Hawaiian woman named Mehalani Olieverra-Ventura has taken the land title issue to the International Criminal Court. Her arguement is basically that since Hawaii was illegally annexed, all land should be deeded back to the Native Hawaiians. Her legal team consists of a Eurpean scam artist named Petro Hoy, who used to be Akahi Nui's embassador the UN until Akahi finally had to fire him for being such an insane moonbat. Perto Hoy is famous on Maui for his insane weekly letters to the local newspaper declaring America to be the most brutal and oppressive nation in the history of the world.

Hawaiian seperatists believe that America illegaly invaded and annexed Hawaii. They consider America's large military presence here to be a "military occupation" no different from Nazi occupation of France or US occupation of Iraq.
Their anti-US military stance has attracted all the white liberal pacifist war-protestors to their cause like these assholes. Groups like DMZ-Hawaii are doing everything the can think of to reduce US military presence here. They usually use bullshit enviormental or cultural arguements to get their way.
The most common and effective way is to say the land is "sacred". Anytime the somebody does something they disagree with, the Hawaiian say it is a desicration of "sacred" land. This technique is surprisingly effective due todays PC climate and they use this as too lto try and shut down military training areas like Makua Valley.

The anti-US military sentiment is far more sinster than it appears on the surface. The die-hard seperatists know that the only way they can reestablish a kingdom is to violently overthrow the state and federal goverments. That will nver happen with an entire combat-ready divisions here, so they attempt to weaken the military presence here a little at a time.

If you want to find out more about activities of all these traitorous commies, take a look at all the links on Scott Crawford's website. He has links to practically every group and person involved in their ongoing attempt to overthrow America
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:58:57 PM EDT
Thanks for your post ArmedAndRetarded! That is just the kind of info I was looking at.

As time goes on I think this kind of lunacy will spread to most of society. These people look at life as if it were an abstraction. When they sufficiently weaken our society as a coherent whole, Islam or China, who most decidedly do not look at life on planet earth as an abstraction, will destroy us.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:00:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:
Just cut off the Spam supply to keep Hawaii in line.



Hey bra, don't give me no stink eye. Was stationed in Hawaii and was told I talked funny.

Most folks in Hawaii would never leave the union. The ones that want to also are the first ones to get in line for their govmint check so that they can buy some spam.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:02:33 PM EDT
I think that people who live in the US but don't see themselves as Americans should be killed or deported, and their property sold at auction to people who see themselves as Americans.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:06:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AyeGuy:
Hey there nf9648, you do know that there are more AR-15 owners in California than ANY OTHER state, right?



ah yeah, but the supply is fixed at 2000 levels. what's the AR per capita level?
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:23:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 7:31:25 PM EDT by lu380]
Not with China on the rise. Hawaii is good real estate for a Navy parking lot.

And another thing - there is no such thing as an "illegal invasion" or "occupation". If we can send troops in and take something, it's OURS until somebody can stop us. If they can't stop us, they can shove their "international laws" up their ass.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:29:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 7:31:04 PM EDT by SkiShooter]
Armed and Retarded, thanks for posting the Crawford link. They can kiss my okolei. In their world criminals are prisoners of war and potheads are entrepeneurs. I see they are also pissing in Alaska's messkit over ANWR. The movement will never get beyond whiners talking story -- government is hard work and they would have no one to bitch at but themselves when things fal apart.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:30:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 7:37:15 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By deathdealer1488:
Theres alot of native hawians who push that crap. The natives are all Fat, lazy, stinky, UGLY SOBS and cant run anything for themselves.
They wont leave the union, they need the wellfare.
I HATE native hawians.








Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:32:37 PM EDT
This is not a Union of States wherein Hawaii may secede if it wishes. If the State of Hawaii declared itself independent, withdrew representation from Washington, and gave the Feds the finger, the Federal government would declare Hawaii to be in rebellion and appoint a military governor over the islands.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:39:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 7:42:32 PM EDT by ArmedAndRetarded]
that depends on the president. What would Hitlery Klinton do if it were president?
Bill Clinton signed the Apology Bill in 1993 which basically apologized for America's "illegall overthrow" of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
Thanks to Bill Clinton, the Apology Bill has become THE definitive legal arguement the Hawaiian speratists are using in the courts.

Also the Akaka Bill has been slowly but surely making its way through Congress. The Akaka Bill (named after Hawaii Senator Daniel Akaka, its sponsor) will given federal recognition to Hawaiians the same way the Native Injuns on the mainland are. This can lead official tribal goverments, reservations etc.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:41:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By deathdealer1488:
Theres alot of native hawians who push that crap. The natives are all Fat, lazy, stinky, UGLY SOBS and cant run anything for themselves.
They wont leave the union, they need the wellfare.
I HATE native hawians.





Spoken like a true howlie!
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:51:35 PM EDT
As long as we keep the naval bases who gives a shit. I just hope Kalifornia goes too!
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:52:26 PM EDT
i would say if they did leave the union as a country they would be bankrupt in 2 years.

look at it this way, they have 3 incomes as a state nuts, tourism, and pinapples

if they left they would loose alot of the tourism, because they would have to tax the crap out of it ( more than they do know ) just to try to make money.

the pinapples would spoil in customs, due to the drugs that would be hidden with the pinapples, and the .gov dragging there feet to make a point

the nuts would not be a big deal

and i dont think the .gov would send them grain like they do to other countries, once again to make a point. and the .mil income would go away
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:02:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAndRetarded:
that depends on the president. What would Hitlery Klinton do if it were president?
Bill Clinton signed the Apology Bill in 1993 which basically apologized for America's "illegall overthrow" of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
Thanks to Bill Clinton, the Apology Bill has become THE definitive legal arguement the Hawaiian speratists are using in the courts.

Also the Akaka Bill has been slowly but surely making its way through Congress. The Akaka Bill (named after Hawaii Senator Daniel Akaka, its sponsor) will given federal recognition to Hawaiians the same way the Native Injuns on the mainland are. This can lead official tribal goverments, reservations etc.



The Apology Bill and the Akaka Bill are some of those incremental steps they are going through.

Will they really lead to Independance in the near term? No. But it is just another act in the Downfall of America.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:09:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

Originally Posted By deathdealer1488:
Theres alot of native hawians who push that crap. The natives are all Fat, lazy, stinky, UGLY SOBS and cant run anything for themselves.
They wont leave the union, they need the wellfare.
I HATE native hawians.





Spoken like a true howlie!



Spelled like a true Haole
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:15:34 PM EDT
I shudder to think what Captain Cook Day would be like if Hawaii left the Union.....
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:21:24 PM EDT
I was stationed in beautiful Hawaii for five years. It is a very BLUE state that is mostly owned by people/companys of japanese nationality. I think the japanese continue to let us raise old glory there so they don't have to pay the welfare to the lazy/ poorly educated hawaiian slugs.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:28:25 PM EDT
There is no way Hawaii will ever completely secede from the US. Only way is if the US goes down the toilet and nation dissolves like the USSR did.

The overwhelming vast majority of Hawaiians do not want to sucede from the US. It's only like 1-5% of the Hawaiian population that want that. What alot of them do want is sovereinty like that afforded to native americans where they still belong to the US, but have more power to govern themselves.

Most Hawaiians are smart and successful. It's just that they have a higher percentage of poor and uneducation people than the rest of us.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:32:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
i would say if they did leave the union as a country they would be taken over by China as a launching pad for future naval attacks against America bankrupt in 2 years weeks.

look at it this way, they have 3 incomes as a state nuts, tourism, and pinapples

if they left they would loose alot of the tourism, because they would have to tax the crap out of it ( more than they do know ) just to try to make money.

the pinapples would spoil in customs, due to the drugs that would be hidden with the pinapples, and the .gov dragging there feet to make a point

the nuts would not be a big deal

and i dont think the .gov would send them grain like they do to other countries, once again to make a point. and the .mil income would go away



Fixed it.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:42:57 PM EDT
Armed and retarded pretty much summs it up. I used to work for federal fisheries before moving on else where. All the Native Hawaiian this and that is all scams for a few lazy crack pots to make money. None and I mean not a single one of these guys making all this noise is for a greater good. Also were they not given Kahoolawe back as a nation with in a nation. I mean they were given a whole island to them selves for there reservation and no one moved over there. Why? Because they wanted it developed for them and they didn't want to give up their welfare checks. Look up the office of Hawaiian affairs, http://www.oha.org/ a state run government agency for Hawaiians whom board is full of lunatics trying to rob the state with lies of healping the hawaiian people. Of course I'm bitter, because my office used to get sued by all these native groups once a month, for the most retarded reasons.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:51:53 PM EDT
I spent a month in Hawaii a couple years ago for work. I thought Oahu was overrated, but Maui was close to paradise. Glad I went on the .gov dime.

Those crackpot 'seccessionists' will cry for independence, but as soon as the US .mil $$$ leaves they would change their tune.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 9:16:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By deathdealer1488:
Theres alot of native hawians who push that crap. The natives are all Fat, lazy, stinky, UGLY SOBS and cant run anything for themselves.
They wont leave the union, they need the wellfare.
I HATE native hawians.





Spoken like a racist asshole.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 10:54:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 10:55:42 PM EDT by Silver_Surfer]
Theres only a small group of People(Hawaians or people who think their pure Hawaiian) over here who think like that. They can'nt agree on anything, always fighting among themselfs. 99.9% of them hate/dislike guns(Stupid!, should think Indians) If they all got together and voted they could elect anyone they wanted into office and then????


Kali or Texas will go first
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:06:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
The real question is when will Texas.



secede from what? I consider the other 49 to be "Greater Texas."

Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:13:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Section_Leader:
Armed and retarded pretty much summs it up. I used to work for federal fisheries before moving on else where. All the Native Hawaiian this and that is all scams for a few lazy crack pots to make money. None and I mean not a single one of these guys making all this noise is for a greater good. Also were they not given Kahoolawe back as a nation with in a nation. I mean they were given a whole island to them selves for there reservation and no one moved over there. Why? Because they wanted it developed for them and they didn't want to give up their welfare checks. Look up the office of Hawaiian affairs, http://www.oha.org/ a state run government agency for Hawaiians whom board is full of lunatics trying to rob the state with lies of healping the hawaiian people. Of course I'm bitter, because my office used to get sued by all these native groups once a month, for the most retarded reasons.



damn straight, I ve never had anything but trouble with native hawians. I was over there with the service and got mugged by one of those fat SOBs. fuck native hawians
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:21:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ZippZ:
There is no way Hawaii will ever completely secede from the US. Only way is if the US goes down the toilet and nation dissolves like the USSR did.

The overwhelming vast majority of Hawaiians do not want to sucede from the US. It's only like 1-5% of the Hawaiian population that want that. What alot of them do want is sovereinty like that afforded to native americans where they still belong to the US, but have more power to govern themselves.

Most Hawaiians are smart and successful. It's just that they have a higher percentage of poor and uneducation people than the rest of us.



I lived there for 3 years and you are correct. A there is a certain percentage who are just frigging deadbeats but most are very friendly people, if you respect their heritage you will usually never have a problem. My wife is a Pacific Islander and we used meet Native Hawaiian's, Samoan's, etc all the time. We used to go to parties on the beaches all the time, they'd cook a pigs in the ground on hot coals, all the food you could eat and then some, and play some volleyball.

Link Posted: 1/8/2006 1:18:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 1:18:43 AM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
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