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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:06:34 PM EDT
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I had the pleasure of hosting some friends shooting at our place this weekend. One of the women brought her BF with her, he's a Baltimore Police Officer. We got around to talking about rules of engagement in using deadly force. I was pretty shocked to hear what he said about the difference between a CCW citizen and a police using deadly force. He said if I shot an attacker on the street who was coming at me with a knife I could easily get charged. He said I had a duty to retreat if I was able, or to use other force , or put some object between us. I said let me get this straight, If perp comes at you with a knife you can shoot him and have no problems and in the same situation if I shoot I might get charged? I know I talk about double standards all the time but thats fucking nuts? I have a duty to retreat in the face of a deadly attack? To his credit he said it's not right but it's Maryland after all. He said they try their best to "tell" the innocent CCWer what not to say before they give their formal statement. Well thats nice. OK so If I can run away but my wife cannot I have to leave her or face homicide charges for shooting a knife wielding scum bag? Not here. I do not have a duty to retreat. This is a stand your ground state. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:09:08 PM EDT
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Liberal Logic. 
Don't go there... Problem solved. I'd rather be judged by 12 and all that... |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:11:33 PM EDT
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NEVER take legal/law advice from a cop!
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:13:44 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:13:47 PM EDT
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In many states before you use deadly force, you have a duty to retreat, if you can do it safely.
If someone is charging you with a knife and they're fairly close if you turn and try to run you're going to get stabbed. Thus retreat is not safe. That's probably what he was getting at with the coaching regarding a statement. The best coaching regarding a post deadly force statement is talk to your lawyer first. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:15:25 PM EDT
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Your getting in to the Grey area I call better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by 6.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:19:33 PM EDT
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NEVER take legal/law advice from a cop! QFT. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:19:38 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. Ayup. Never heard of one of those. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:19:47 PM EDT
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Self defense is self defense....I will not be second class to an ass.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:24:14 PM EDT
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In many states before you use deadly force, you have a duty to retreat, if you can do it safely. If someone is charging you with a knife and they're fairly close if you turn and try to run you're going to get stabbed. Thus retreat is not safe. That's probably what he was getting at with the coaching regarding a statement. The best coaching regarding a post deadly force statement is talk to your lawyer first. Bull shit. I highly doubt "many" states require you to retreat in a legitimate self defense situation. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:24:34 PM EDT
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The way you present the conversation, he didn't come off as a dick to me.
Sounded like he was trying to keep you from catching a case. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:25:46 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:26:19 PM EDT
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Not here. I do not have a duty to retreat. This is a stand your ground state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had the pleasure of hosting some friends shooting at our place this weekend. One of the women brought her BF with her, he's a Baltimore Police Officer. We got around to talking about rules of engagement in using deadly force. I was pretty shocked to hear what he said about the difference between a CCW citizen and a police using deadly force. He said if I shot an attacker on the street who was coming at me with a knife I could easily get charged. He said I had a duty to retreat if I was able, or to use other force , or put some object between us. I said let me get this straight, If perp comes at you with a knife you can shoot him and have no problems and in the same situation if I shoot I might get charged? I know I talk about double standards all the time but thats fucking nuts? I have a duty to retreat in the face of a deadly attack? To his credit he said it's not right but it's Maryland after all. He said they try their best to "tell" the innocent CCWer what not to say before they give their formal statement. Well thats nice. OK so If I can run away but my wife cannot I have to leave her or face homicide charges for shooting a knife wielding scum bag? Not here. I do not have a duty to retreat. This is a stand your ground state. You bet your ass. Moral of the story: Don't live in a commie assed state. You might get stabbed...or railroaded. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:26:47 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. It's all in who you know and who you give money to. Mostly liberals. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:29:40 PM EDT
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NEVER take legal/law advice from a cop! |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:32:47 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter; you can't safely retreat from someone coming at you with a knife.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:35:39 PM EDT
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The way you present the conversation, he didn't come off as a dick to me. Sounded like he was trying to keep you from catching a case. Agreed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bull shit. I highly doubt "many" states require you to retreat in a legitimate self defense situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In many states before you use deadly force, you have a duty to retreat, if you can do it safely. <snip> Bull shit. I highly doubt "many" states require you to retreat in a legitimate self defense situation. The following states impose some form of duty to retreat before using deadly self defense: Arkansas Connecticut Delaware Hawaii Iowa Maine Maryland Massachusetts Missouri Minnesota Nebraska New Jersey New York North Dakota Ohio Rhode Island Wisconsin Wyoming - Here are the states that have passed stand your ground laws: See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 7:51:44 PM EDT
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 8:30:38 PM EDT
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Moral of the story: Don't live in a commie assed state. You might get stabbed...or railroaded. 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:08:09 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. More than you think but not as many as there should be. I know of 3 personally. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:11:53 PM EDT
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Conversations like these are why God invented Mag 20 classes.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:25:01 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. Lived there 47 years..Knew of 1 |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:25:08 PM EDT
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Say what now? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. We had an awesome BPD guy here that would share stories from his job till some cocksucker tried to fuck his life up for no reason. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:25:55 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. This 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:26:19 PM EDT
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Say what now? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. Yep, thedoctor was a great poster. Never let GD know where you work
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:30:27 PM EDT
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NEVER take legal/law advice from a cop! end thread, but nobody in MD has a ccw except judges, prosecutors, etc. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:31:05 PM EDT
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Isn't Baltimore setting a new Guinness record of deaths thanks to their PD?
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:31:38 PM EDT
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. Unfortunately the rookie showed poor judgement. No excuse for getting AROCKED though.. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:34:17 PM EDT
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He said if I shot an attacker on the street who was coming at me with a knife I could easily get charged. Sounds about right for a liberal shithole city. Quoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. We had an awesome BPD guy here that would share stories from his job till some cocksucker tried to fuck his life up for no reason. Plural. Three separate Arocking attempts last I spoke with him. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:35:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We had an awesome BPD guy here that would share stories from his job till some cocksucker tried to fuck his life up for no reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. We had an awesome BPD guy here that would share stories from his job till some cocksucker tried to fuck his life up for no reason.  Why the hell do people HAVE to do stupid shit? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:36:01 PM EDT
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Yep, thedoctors308 was a great poster. Never let GD know where you work Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. Yep, thedoctors308 was a great poster. Never let GD know where you work Fixed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:36:34 PM EDT
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Plural. Three separate Arocking attempts last I spoke with him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. We had an awesome BPD guy here that would share stories from his job till some cocksucker tried to fuck his life up for no reason. Plural. Three separate Arocking attempts last I spoke with him. That sucks, but not surprising. Hows he doing? Did he survive all the riots ok? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:38:38 PM EDT
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That's some bull shit.
Why the hell do people HAVE to do stupid shit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. We had an awesome BPD guy here that would share stories from his job till some cocksucker tried to fuck his life up for no reason.
Why the hell do people HAVE to do stupid shit? Prewired to be dumbasses. Their life sucks so they want company. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:41:23 PM EDT
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As a permit holder in md (shocking I know), OP is right.
From what I was taught, I have a duty to retreat and defuse the situation, and deadly force is only acceptable as a last resort. And even then, even if its completely justifiable, it will be a mess if I ever had to use my weapon. Take it for what its worth. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:42:40 PM EDT
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How's he doing? Did he survive all the riots ok? He's fine. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:42:43 PM EDT
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It's all in who you know and who you give money to. Mostly liberals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. It's all in who you know and who you give money to. Mostly liberals. Funny. I don't know any liberals other than the ones I work with And I sure didn't give money to anyone to get a permit
ETA: Other than paying the fee for the permit I guess I got it the hard way |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:43:42 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. I know one |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:45:24 PM EDT
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Find me a legal CC holder in Maryland before we go down this rabbit hole, they don't exist. This. It's really more of a theoretical discussion, and not worth the time. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:47:35 PM EDT
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As a permit holder in md (shocking I know), OP is right. From what I was taught, I have a duty to retreat and defuse the situation, and deadly force is only acceptable as a last resort. And even then, even if its completely justifiable, it will be a mess if I ever had to use my weapon. Take it for what its worth. Do you mind me asking, are you moving lots of money/high value items for your career, and if not may I ask what the reason was that You gave that the state deemed you worthy of defending yourself? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:49:46 PM EDT
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Do you mind me asking, are you moving lots of money/high value items for your career, and if not may I ask what the reason was that You gave that the state deemed you worthy of defending yourself? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a permit holder in md (shocking I know), OP is right. From what I was taught, I have a duty to retreat and defuse the situation, and deadly force is only acceptable as a last resort. And even then, even if its completely justifiable, it will be a mess if I ever had to use my weapon. Take it for what its worth. Do you mind me asking, are you moving lots of money/high value items for your career, and if not may I ask what the reason was that You gave that the state deemed you worthy of defending yourself? No I've been robbed at gunpoint and have multiple documented death threats, among other reasons. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:51:41 PM EDT
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He said they try their best to "tell" the innocent CCWer what not to say before they give their formal statement. A lot of folks are missing this point and missing THE point. What you say and how you say it can doom you even if the shoot was legit. This cop was giving good advice. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:53:02 PM EDT
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No I've been robbed at gunpoint and have multiple documented death threats, among other reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a permit holder in md (shocking I know), OP is right. From what I was taught, I have a duty to retreat and defuse the situation, and deadly force is only acceptable as a last resort. And even then, even if its completely justifiable, it will be a mess if I ever had to use my weapon. Take it for what its worth. Do you mind me asking, are you moving lots of money/high value items for your career, and if not may I ask what the reason was that You gave that the state deemed you worthy of defending yourself? No I've been robbed at gunpoint and have multiple documented death threats, among other reasons. Glad I left MD, I have a permit here in Texas....Just because. FUCK MD. |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:53:42 PM EDT
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How's he doing? Did he survive all the riots ok? He's fine. Tell him I said hi. 
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a permit holder in md (shocking I know), OP is right. From what I was taught, I have a duty to retreat and defuse the situation, and deadly force is only acceptable as a last resort. And even then, even if its completely justifiable, it will be a mess if I ever had to use my weapon. Take it for what its worth. Minnesota's view isn't too far away from Maryland's  |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:55:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/1/2015 9:59:56 PM EDT
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No fucks givin. You come at me with a knife, time for a mag dump.
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Posted: 11/1/2015 10:00:16 PM EDT
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Unfortunately the rookie showed poor judgement. No excuse for getting AROCKED though.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We HAD a Baltimore PD guy here...before he got Arocked. Unfortunately the rookie showed poor judgement. No excuse for getting AROCKED though.. You mean telling the truth about being police in the the hood and the man-childs of arfcom getting hysterical about it and trying to arock him multiple times? |
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Posted: 11/1/2015 10:01:17 PM EDT
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I lived there for 29 years. The BPD cop is correct. No stand your ground law in "the Free State". A friend of mine is a business owner in Annapolis. He has a CCW but has to use FMJ loads.
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