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Posted: 8/17/2005 12:02:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 2:30:08 PM EDT by Dragracer_Art]
A buddy of mine stopped in today and left this with me. He's not sure what it's worth and neither am I...
I'd like to buy it from him for a fair price. If it's "worth too much", then I'll just put it in the EE for him.

Here's a couple pics...

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:04:09 PM EDT
Dibs!
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:06:26 PM EDT
who's it made by?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:06:55 PM EDT
colt
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:07:00 PM EDT
Airsoft?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:07:19 PM EDT
It's pretty gunked-up inside and needs a pretty thorough cleaning. It looks like it still has WWII powder residue in it, along with a few dead German ghosts...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:09:05 PM EDT
I'd normally suggest you post it in the 1911 Forum


... but, so far I've gotten no responses to my 1911 thread from earlier today (and GD's super-fast responses has apparently made me impatient), so GD might be better.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:10:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:11:47 PM EDT by hardcorps1775]
damn, that second pic was slow to reload!

very very nice condition, bet it didn't see much action in europe! i'd say $600-700? i base that on the fact that i have a ww1 dated colt i got for $850.

is that a replaced slide release?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:12:40 PM EDT
It is worthless. Send it to me and I'll dispose of it safely. It's for the children.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:12:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'd normally suggest you post it in the 1911 Forum


... but, so far I've gotten no responses to my 1911 thread from earlier today (and GD's super-fast responses has apparently made me impatient), so GD might be better.




Yeah, I don't often get to all corners of the site... GD is pretty much the only place I "hang"...
I'm sure this place has forums and features I've never heard of...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:13:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lagadelphia:
It is worthless. Send it to me and I'll dispose of it safely. It's for the children.




Don't listen to him - he's trying to trick you!!

Send it to me, and I'll send you a shiny new one, instead of that nasty old one.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:14:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:14:56 PM EDT
gouging mothers!

check out gunsamerica.com...they're a little overpriced but several ww2 m1911a1s are there for $800-1100...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:15:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'd normally suggest you post it in the 1911 Forum


... but, so far I've gotten no responses to my 1911 thread from earlier today (and GD's super-fast responses has apparently made me impatient), so GD might be better.




Yeah, I don't often get to all corners of the site... GD is pretty much the only place I "hang"...
I'm sure this place has forums and features I've never heard of...




I'm just being whiny - because I wish I had posted mine in GD like you did.

But allow me to be a hijack-whore and post a link to my 1911 thread over there www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=20000 - since 1911 lovers are probably reading this thread.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:16:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
damn, that second pic was slow to reload!



Actually "both" pics are just one big pic, with one address.


Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
is that a replaced slide release?




I have no idea what the history is on this thing... All I know is it's one of those "Grandpop hand-me-downs"
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:18:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

But allow me to be a hijack-whore and post a link to my 1911 thread over there www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=20000 - since 1911 lovers are probably reading this thread.




Please... Be my guest....
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:20:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:21:40 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

But allow me to be a hijack-whore and post a link to my 1911 thread over there www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=20000 - since 1911 lovers are probably reading this thread.




Please... Be my guest....




Thanks!


Btw - it LOOKS like an early 1944 Colt 1911A1 (based on serial number).

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:22:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:26:13 PM EDT by Hydguy]
It was built between 1944-1945 according to the serial number.
1911-A1 with the proper style small parts (the slide stop does not appear correct. It looks like a blued slide stop instead of a grey parked)

Has been hardened at the muzzle end, but not around the ejection port.

Worth between $1300-$1500 in that condition, IF the barrel is the correct barrel, and has the correct magazine.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:22:54 PM EDT
If you don't get the info you are looking for here, go to the 1911 forum on jouster.com. Someone there can probably tell you the first owner's name.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:25:24 PM EDT
It is probably haunted and possed, send it to me I can maybe chase out the evil, but then it will be worthless, so I would have to keep it.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:26:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:30:13 PM EDT by PBIR]

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
It was built between 1944-1945 according to the serial number.



SN's 1609529-1743846 indicate 1944 Colt manufacture. Looks like a proof mark is visible on the trigger guard as well. Nice pistol, I'd love to know it's history.

ETA: many of the 1911a1's close to that # wound up with OSS.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:26:19 PM EDT
what is your friends name if the gun was passed down u maybe able to trace its life look at the mag release area see the etching GHD. if thats the initials of the soldier than u may/should be able to trace it w/ some leg work did your friend give u a price? if not try to get it as cheap as possible but 600-1000 is a realistic cost. let us know
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:26:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:35:07 PM EDT by TacticalStrat]
I think my Colt is the same exact gun as yours. I have a 1944 Colt 1911A1 (all correct) in about 97% condition. It's worth about $1800-$2000.

BTW, The barrel and magazine are supposed to be blued on those 1911A1 Colts and it should have a 1911 type early hammer.


Here's mine


Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:28:12 PM EDT
slide release looks to be a replacement. I'll give you $100 and some excellent orlite mags
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:29:45 PM EDT
I would hang onto it if I were him. That's a good looking Colt 1911, and there's no telling how much history is attached to that peice. Tell him it's only worth $200-300 and do him a favor and take it off his hands. J/K.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:30:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:32:55 PM EDT by AvengeR15]
The serial number indicates it was probably manufactured in 1944.

Here is my reference: 1911 reference.

Since someone got there ahead of me already, I'll comment on the slide release. My 1944 Remington Rand also had an aftermarket slide release, so I purchased an original as a replacement (from Northridge, IIRC.) It cost me about $30, but came wrapped up in the original grease paper and string.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:32:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
what is your friends name if the gun was passed down u maybe able to trace its life look at the mag release area see the etching GHD. if thats the initials of the soldier than u may/should be able to trace it w/ some leg work did your friend give u a price? if not try to get it as cheap as possible but 600-1000 is a realistic cost. let us know



GHD are supposed to be there on that one, it is a Inspectors stamp.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:33:13 PM EDT
i hate you
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:34:07 PM EDT
Frame dates to 1944
Inspection mark reads GHD: Guy H. Drewry Colt S/N 845,000 to 2,360,600
Looks all there to me but without taking a closer look, not way to be certain.

Is there a proof mark on the top of the slide near the rear site?

Regardless, good looking pistol and could be very collectible. IMHO, The finish does not appear to be original and the slide stop looks a bit off. A authentic 1911 of that year with original finish in good shape can likely fetch $2K+. A rework in good shape, $800-1250. These are of course just a guess based on what i have seen, dont take to to the bank. I am sure more will chime in that know better then I.

Nice gun though!
CH
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:34:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BeetleBailey:
i hate you



Pretty much sums up my feelings for you aswell...

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:38:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Is there a proof mark on the top of the slide near the rear site?

CH



Yes... there is a "P" in front of the rear site, exactly like the "P" under the mag release...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:45:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:48:21 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Is there a proof mark on the top of the slide near the rear site?

CH



Yes... there is a "P" in front of the rear site, exactly like the "P" under the mag release...



That is good. Have you looked behind the firing pin stop to see if there are numbes? (Hint there shouldnt be
After a closer look at that slide stop I am pretty sure its not correct. SHould look like this one...
ETA: Its not a bad thing, just an earlier version. Possible that it was assembed with this one in lue of the new version shown below as I am certain they had plenty of bits and peices laying around.



CH
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:49:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
A buddy of mine stopped in today and left this with me. He's not sure what it's worth and neither am I...
I'd like to buy it from him for a fair price.



This, friends, is what we call an 'ethical dilemma'.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:55:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
After a closer look at that slide stop I am pretty sure its not correct. SHould look like this one...

CH



The slide stop definitely looks out of place... Everything else on the gun is parked, dirty and worn.
It's so dirty, the slide won't close without a little push...

I'm pretty sure the gun is otherwise genuine...

I think I can buy it for $400 or $500.... At least those are some numbers my buddy mentioned when he left it with me...

Just not sure if I'll be able to sleep at night if I buy it that cheap...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:56:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
A buddy of mine stopped in today and left this with me. He's not sure what it's worth and neither am I...
I'd like to buy it from him for a fair price.



This, friends, is what we call an 'ethical dilemma'.




You are absolutely correct !!!
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:58:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 12:59:25 PM EDT by TacticalStrat]
It looks like the barrel has been sanded (part you see at ejection port) ??? And there is a hole drilled in the side of the rear sight????
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:11:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 1:17:33 PM EDT by DnPRK]
The barrel finish should be blued. From the picture it looks like the chamber/hood are bare steel. Also, someone has messed with the rear sight and put a dimple on the right side.

The correct slide stop, barrel and magazine (C-L, C-R or C-S) can be occasionally found on eBay.

www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/1911infopage.htm

BTW, those sold for $25 in 1962 through the NRA and CMP.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:45:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:52:40 PM EDT
Just got home from work....
I'm 'gonna pull it apart, clean it, and snap a few more pics...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 2:52:31 PM EDT
Get pics of any markings on the lower barrel lugs.

That will give us a clue about the barrel, and wether or not it is the correct barrel for the gun.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
Get pics of any markings on the lower barrel lugs.

That will give us a clue about the barrel, and wether or not it is the correct barrel for the gun.




The barrel says "Colt 45 Auto Match"
The rifling looks terrible... I thought it was leaded real bad, but it won't scrape out at all. It looks like it was rusted and shot afterwards...

Looks like it will need a barrel and slide stop lever to be back to original...
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:47:37 PM EDT
nice pistol, and since it has incorrect parts, I wouldn't feel too bad about the price... and if you ever want to sell/trade, let me know.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:31:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 4:31:49 PM EDT by Dragracer_Art]
Fresh pics from home...
Sorry 'bout the size... I thought it would show better detail.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:14:47 PM EDT
$400 in that shape if it's all original and has not been back to the armory.

R.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:17:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 5:20:28 PM EDT by Hydguy]
Well, With the barrel, it COULD be a military National Match barrel, but my Clawson's book doesn't cover NM guns.
I don't have my other 1911 refrence guide handy, but are there any marks on the lower lug itself, like a c in a cirlce or a p?

With the barrel being shot, and the slide release being incorrect, I would offer about $800, because you have to spend a bit to get a correct barrel, if you want to make it 100% GI spec again.

The finish looks original, and the darkening at the muzzle end is from the chemical reaction in the metal from the hardening process.
The peening on the rear sight isn't really a detractor, because it could have been peened like that in an armory.

After looking at the pics again, it also appears that the hammer is blued (appears darker in the pics)....
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:22:05 PM EDT
I believe the mainspring housing is not correct either. It should be a checkered pattern on a correct Colt instead of vertical lines.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:26:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
Well, With the barrel, it COULD be a military National Match barrel, but my Clawson's book doesn't cover NM guns.
I don't have my other 1911 refrence guide handy, but are there any marks on the lower lug itself, like a c in a cirlce or a p?

With the barrel being shot, and the slide release being incorrect, I would offer about $800, because you have to spend a bit to get a correct barrel, if you want to make it 100% GI spec again.

The finish looks original, and the darkening at the muzzle end is from the chemical reaction in the metal from the hardening process.
The peening on the rear sight isn't really a detractor, because it could have been peened like that in an armory.

After looking at the pics again, it also appears that the hammer is blued (appears darker in the pics)....




The peening on the rear sight is not correct by any means. Howver a blued hammer, barrel and magazine is correct on a Colt.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:34:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 5:59:49 PM EDT by fxntime]
Refinished. The color difference is exaggerated if its been redone, its noticable but not to that extent on a unrefinished one. The BBL should be blued but might be correct as the markings are correct [unless it's a colt commercial BBL], It's also probably pretty shot as 45 ammo was all corrosive in WW2. Small bits should be a different color, not the same as the frame and slide. See the X on the triggergard? Not from the factory. It could be arsenal refinished what are the other markings?

Also looking at the grip area, looks as if metal has been stripped from the sides as the edges are VERY soft looking. Should be a reasonably crisp dish and such, but this one is not. Looks as if GHD is soft also, I seriously think it's been redone. 6 to 7 TOPS. I've bought better for less, but they are getting harder to buy. If the BBL is shot the value is less but a little roughness, if the rifleing is OK will be OK. Forget about lead bullets tho,as it will lead like no tommorrow. Offer 500, it's a reasonably fair price to start at.

Edit, BBL says match, NOT correct as made. Could have been used when rebuilt or just a old civi shot out BBL someone put in in the past. 500 is fair. NO true collectors value but still looked for by those who want a USGI put together.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:37:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'd normally suggest you post it in the 1911 Forum


... but, so far I've gotten no responses to my 1911 thread from earlier today



Wednesday is a holy day for the JMB cult.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:40:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'd normally suggest you post it in the 1911 Forum


... but, so far I've gotten no responses to my 1911 thread from earlier today



Wednesday is a holy day for the JMB cult.




You Betcha. Glock worshippers would sacrifice too but the frame kept melting, stinking up the place, and setting the smoke detectors off.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:43:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'd normally suggest you post it in the 1911 Forum


... but, so far I've gotten no responses to my 1911 thread from earlier today



Wednesday is a holy day for the JMB cult.






I knew there had to be a reasonable explanation.
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