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Posted: 4/28/2018 10:35:04 PM EDT
Just wondering how many here are doing the above. I'm new to both and am looking to find some good training for computer forensics.
Link Posted: 4/29/2018 8:35:26 PM EDT
Some “good training” for somebody new is getting the basics down and meeting the national standards.

The bare minimizing is the ASCLD/LAB standards which local/state agencies should be aware of. If your federal, most agencies follow the NIST standards. Depending on what level a person is- depends on what activities they are doing and thereby dictates training.

On an open form I won’t share the software or tools we use.

I will say this, if your agency suddenly threw you into this role and hey don’t have establsished SOP’s, training plan and bought the bare bones required equipment ($50,000 + for a full basic pacakage with equipment, training costs and software), and budgeted for the annual upgrades in equipment and software- tread lightly as you are being set-up for failure.

Nobody touches anything with direct and constant supervision in our shop until they complete the four basic courses - two weeks each.

If you are a true beginner- look at going to FLETC for training. Done at matter if your a local/state/fed- all can go! When you leave you will be well on your way and can then call the local US Secret Service, introduce yourself and ask to get in the electronic crimes task force. You then get a chance to build your skills with folks from all over your area.
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 1:48:13 AM EDT
If you're doing this on the law enforcement side, join HTCC. You'll get an avalanche of help
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 2:02:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2018 9:37:58 AM EDT
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Present and accounted for, sir!

What is your background, OP?
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 1:32:26 PM EDT
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OP what's your background?

FLETC offers a bunch of computer forensics classes, and the Secret Service trains state/local officers (along with Judges and Prosecutors) at the National Computer Forensics Institute in Hoover, AL (outside of Birmingham). It's an outstanding program and all the training / travel and equipment costs are covered. Downside: The wait list is long and priority is given to members of the various USSS ECTFs.

Not exactly sure how the FBI does things but I believe they do something similar through their RCFLs - someone else could speak to that better than I.

If you're not LEO (or not LEO yet) then there are some computer forensic-related certifications you could pursue, just be advised that the costs will start to rack up significantly if you don't have an Agency that will cover the training. There's also several schools offering computer forensics-related graduate programs...

Feel free to hit me up with any questions...
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 1:43:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By joeyd16779:
Some “good training” for somebody new is getting the basics down and meeting the national standards.

The bare minimizing is the ASCLD/LAB standards which local/state agencies should be aware of. If your federal, most agencies follow the NIST standards. Depending on what level a person is- depends on what activities they are doing and thereby dictates training.

On an open form I won’t share the software or tools we use.

I will say this, if your agency suddenly threw you into this role and hey don’t have establsished SOP’s, training plan and bought the bare bones required equipment ($50,000 + for a full basic pacakage with equipment, training costs and software), and budgeted for the annual upgrades in equipment and software- tread lightly as you are being set-up for failure.

Nobody touches anything with direct and constant supervision in our shop until they complete the four basic courses - two weeks each.

If you are a true beginner- look at going to FLETC for training. Done at matter if your a local/state/fed- all can go! When you leave you will be well on your way and can then call the local US Secret Service, introduce yourself and ask to get in the electronic crimes task force. You then get a chance to build your skills with folks from all over your area.
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Just you mentioning ASCLD made my eye twitch...
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 9:27:41 PM EDT
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Just you mentioning ASCLD made my eye twitch...
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It's ANAB now...

Link Posted: 4/30/2018 9:41:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
It's ANAB now...

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Originally Posted By Bullet_Sponge:

Just you mentioning ASCLD made my eye twitch...
It's ANAB now...

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There's several different entities providing digital forensic lab accreditation now. I think they were looking for all that sweet, sweet money that was at stake when DOJ main was pushing hard for mandatory lab accreditation. It took basically every federal law enforcement agency in DC to simultaneously yell "Aw hell no" in unison to get that particular draft memo thrown in the burn bag. For now, at least.

My eye is twitching again just thinking about all the bullshit I went through 2014 - 2016 about that topic...
Link Posted: 4/30/2018 9:50:53 PM EDT
Contact your nearest Secret Service field office and get nominated for their school.
Link Posted: 5/1/2018 11:20:23 PM EDT
My background is 20 years law enforcement at county and city level. Majority of that in patrol and been assigned in CID as a crime scene detective past 2.5 years. My dept had several guys doing mobile device and computer forensics. I've done some of the mobile device training and been doing that since last year. Our guys mainly doing ICAC warrants and most of the computer exams are related to that. I've got no background in computers other than normal use. Dept sent me through basic and intermediate FTK with additional training by AD upcoming. Made some contacts with USSS during some recent training. Not gonna get my hopes up on that. Like I said definitely looking for some good digital evidence handling classes.
Link Posted: 5/2/2018 9:00:49 AM EDT
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My background is 20 years law enforcement at county and city level. Majority of that in patrol and been assigned in CID as a crime scene detective past 2.5 years. My dept had several guys doing mobile device and computer forensics. I've done some of the mobile device training and been doing that since last year. Our guys mainly doing ICAC warrants and most of the computer exams are related to that. I've got no background in computers other than normal use. Dept sent me through basic and intermediate FTK with additional training by AD upcoming. Made some contacts with USSS during some recent training. Not gonna get my hopes up on that. Like I said definitely looking for some good digital evidence handling classes.
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I'm assuming you're relatively close to retirement? Just be prepared for the inevitable question about "Why should we spend so much time/money to train you up when you're just going to leave in a few years..."

Some of the more "old-school" LEO management likes to think that the only reason people get involved in "the cyber" is to get some cushy post-retirement gig.

Just my $0.02.

Also: Tons of free online training here through DHS's FED VTE program: https://fedvte.usalearning.gov/ It's free if you've got a .gov email account or are a veteran. More of a cybersecurity focus rather than strictly forensics, but some good stuff nonetheless.
Link Posted: 5/2/2018 9:06:52 AM EDT
I work at the Crime Laboratory in Arkansas as a death investigator, but we have a Digital Evidence section with two guys working it, they started in IT type professions.
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