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Posted: 4/29/2009 5:35:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2009 5:47:15 AM EDT by GUNSLINGER67]
Just reported on FOX News...........if the bill passes senate this time around , it could mean prosecution against clergy who preach the sins of homosexual behavior.


Looking for link............


ETA.........Thanks Ashes
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:39:20 AM EDT
Don't worry Napolitano will just add the clergy to the list of extremists to be watched and detained. Are you on the list yet? Big Brother is watching!
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:39:24 AM EDT
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/04/29/top_stories/doc49f821e17fabe156442680.txt

Congress To Vote On Hate Crime Legislation

By JOE MURRAY, The Bulletin
Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Congress is set to vote today on a controversial measure that would extend hate crime protections to gays and lesbians. Supporters of the bill claim the legislation is necessary to protect the rights of a vulnerable minority, while opponents charge the bill is a guided attempt to restrict religious liberties.

At issue is whether hate crimes, protection is necessary for gays and lesbians. Conservative activists fear the legislation could eventually be used to silence preachers who teach homosexuality is sinful from the pulpit.

And, even though the hate crimes bill before Congress has First Amendment protections to prevent the legislation from being used to infringe on religious liberties, conservatives are not comforted.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:45:06 AM EDT
WOW!...Wasn't this kind of stuff the plot line of the "Turner Diaries"? That's just scary.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:47:09 AM EDT
If it passes it will be in court with in weeks. Then hopefully it gets knocked down in the US supreme court.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:50:43 AM EDT
meh.....

It has been a while since I heard a preacher who was willing to preach against sin in general, much less call homosexuality a sin.



Pretty much a moot point.



Why fight for a right that no one will exercise?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:50:53 AM EDT
Well, that's pretty gay.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:52:28 AM EDT
REPENT AND  BE SAVED!!!!












(if you have already repented, please disregard this notice)
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:52:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By zack991:
If it passes it will be in court with in weeks. Then hopefully it gets knocked down in the US supreme court.


Yup.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:52:34 AM EDT
"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."

-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:53:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AshesToAshes:
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/04/29/top_stories/doc49f821e17fabe156442680.txt

Congress To Vote On Hate Crime Legislation

By JOE MURRAY, The Bulletin
Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Congress is set to vote today on a controversial measure that would extend hate crime protections to gays and lesbians. Supporters of the bill claim the legislation is necessary to protect the rights of a vulnerable minority, while opponents charge the bill is a guided attempt to restrict religious liberties.

At issue is whether hate crimes, protection is necessary for gays and lesbians. Conservative activists fear the legislation could eventually be used to silence preachers who teach homosexuality is sinful from the pulpit.

And, even though the hate crimes bill before Congress has First Amendment protections to prevent the legislation from being used to infringe on religious liberties, conservatives are not comforted.


Not only won't affect religious liberties...it won't protect LGBT either.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:53:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
Well, that's pretty gay.


FELON!!!
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:53:53 AM EDT
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:55:02 AM EDT


Payback for votes:

Gays...check
Unions...check
Dark skinned people....Proposing laws to lighten the sentence for crack cocaine..
College tards...Working on re-structuring student loan programs

Who pays...You do...



Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:55:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:56:37 AM EDT
What if you conveniently become bi-sexual during your attack? Can your perp be facing extra time?

Sure, you might be married to a woman...but how could they prove you don't do guys during your free time?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:57:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
Well, that's pretty gay.


FELON!!!


Not yet, it hasn't passed.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:57:57 AM EDT
THOUGHT CRIME
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:58:16 AM EDT



Originally Posted By StonerStudent:



Originally Posted By klinc:

Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.






Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.





*SMACK*    "Take that! You...you...person!"



 
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:58:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 5:59:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
Well, that's pretty gay.


very gay

Granted if I was in charge I'd probably make anti-freedom legislation as well
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:00:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?


I haven't seen the bill text but it sounds like it doesn't affect speech unless it's preceeded by your fist.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:01:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StandardDeviation:

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.


*SMACK*    "Take that! You...you...person!"
 


Or like the gay movie producer that got the crap beat out of him in West Hollywood. The perps didn't say anything, so no evidenice of hate crime.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:03:04 AM EDT
Welcome to the New World.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:03:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By StandardDeviation:

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.


*SMACK*    "Take that! You...you...person!"
 


Or like the gay movie producer that got the crap beat out of him in West Hollywood. The perps didn't say anything, so no evidenice of hate crime.



Who doesn't use foul langugage during a fight?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:03:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?



It's not speech...but intention of attack. You can call someone a fag all you want, you just can't call them a fag while your kicking their ass.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:03:54 AM EDT
Well it looks like about anything I do now is a hate crime. I probably would'nt beat down a gay dude nowadays, I would'nt want to be exposed to aids.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:04:56 AM EDT
Hopefully homosexuals realize only the term homosexual means homosexual. If I call a person gay or a fag that isn't exactly the same as homosexual
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:04:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Welcome to the New World Order




Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:05:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?



It's not speech...but intention of attack. You can call someone a fag all you want, you just can't call them a fag while your kicking their ass.



So, it's a brief suspension of the First Amendment?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:10:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?



It's not speech...but intention of attack. You can call someone a fag all you want, you just can't call them a fag while your kicking their ass.



So, it's a brief suspension of the First Amendment?



Nope.....but they have to set up away to prove that something is or isn't a hate crime. It's not really that hard to do, but defense lawyers have played the homo panic defense to the hilt.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:12:01 AM EDT
I sense a lot of hate in this thread.  Don't you realize that emotion is now ILLEGAL?!?!
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:12:36 AM EDT
What about all the Anti-Heterosexual animosity?  When will people who spout off that brand of hatred get punished?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:14:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:15:37 AM EDT
The Matthew Shepard Act (officially, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 or LLEHCPA), H.R. 1592 was a proposed federal bill that would expand the 1969 United States federal hate-crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim's actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. The bill would also:

remove the current prerequisite that the victim be engaging in a federally-protected activity, like voting or going to school;
give federal authorities greater ability to engage in hate crimes investigations that local authorities choose not to pursue;
provide $10 million in funding for 2008 and 2009 to help State and local agencies pay for investigating and prosecuting hate crimes;
require the FBI to track statistics on hate crimes against transgender people (statistics for the other groups are already tracked).[1]
The bill passed the House of Representatives on May 3, 2007, 237 to 180, with Barney Frank, one of two openly gay Representatives, presiding.[2] It was the first time that a gay rights bill had been brought to the floor of the House. Only once before, in 1996, had either house of Congress considered a gay rights bill; in that case, the Senate rejected an early form of ENDA and later that same day passed the Defense of Marriage Act.

On 11 July, 2007, Senator Edward Kennedy introduced the bill (S. 1105) in the Senate as an amendment to the Senate Defense Reauthorization bill (H.R. 1585). The Senate hate crime amendment had 43 cosponsors, including four Republicans. After Republicans staged a filibuster on a troop-withdrawal amendment to the defense bill, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid delayed the votes on the hate crime amendment and the defense bill until September.[3]

The bill passed the Senate on September 27, 2007, as an amendment to the Defense Reauthorization bill. The cloture vote was 60 to 39 in favor. The amendment was then approved by voice vote.[4] President Bush indicated he might veto the DoD authorization bill if it reached his desk with the hate crimes legislation attached.[5][6] Ultimately, the amendment was dropped by the Democratic leadership because of opposition from antiwar Democrats, conservative groups, and President George W. Bush.[7] However, Barack Obama's website outlining the goals of his new administration cites passing the Act as a priority.

On April 24th, 2009, the Act passed the House Judiciary Committee by a vote of 15–12 and will go to the full House of Representatives for a vote[9].


[edit] Background
The 1969 federal hate-crime law (18 U.S.C. § 245(b)(2)) extends only to crimes motivated by actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin, and only while the victim is engaging in a federally-protected activity, like voting or going to school.[10] Penalties, under both the existing law and the LLEHCPA, for hate crimes involving firearms are prison terms of up to 10 years, while crimes involving kidnapping, sexual assault, or murder can bring life terms.

According to FBI statistics, of the over 113,000 hate crimes since 1991, 55% were motivated by racial bias, 17% by religious bias, 14% sexual orientation bias, 14% ethnicity bias, and 1% disability bias.[11]

The Act is supported by thirty-one state Attorneys General and over 210 national law enforcement, professional, education, civil rights, religious, and civic organizations, including the AFL-CIO, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, and the NAACP.[12] A November 2001 poll indicated that 73% of Americans favor hate-crime legislation covering sexual orientation.[13]

The LLEHCPA was introduced in substantially similar form in each Congress since the 105th Congress in 1999. The 2007 bill expands on the earlier versions (originally called the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act) by including transgender provisions and making it explicit that the law should not be interpreted to restrict people's freedom of speech or association.[14]

James Dobson, founder of socially conservative lobbying group Focus on the Family, opposed the Act, arguing that it would effectively "muzzle people of faith who dare to express their moral and biblical concerns about homosexuality."[10] However, HR 1592 contains a "Rule of Construction" which specifically provides that "Nothing in this Act... shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution."[15]

This act is named for a gay American student, Matthew Shepard, who was tortured and murdered in a 1998 hate crime near Laramie, Wyoming.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:18:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By AshesToAshes:
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/04/29/top_stories/doc49f821e17fabe156442680.txt

Congress To Vote On Hate Crime Legislation

By JOE MURRAY, The Bulletin
Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Congress is set to vote today on a controversial measure that would extend hate crime protections to gays and lesbians. Supporters of the bill claim the legislation is necessary to protect the rights of a vulnerable minority, while opponents charge the bill is a guided attempt to restrict religious liberties.

At issue is whether hate crimes, protection is necessary for gays and lesbians. Conservative activists fear the legislation could eventually be used to silence preachers who teach homosexuality is sinful from the pulpit.

And, even though the hate crimes bill before Congress has First Amendment protections to prevent the legislation from being used to infringe on religious liberties, conservatives are not comforted.


Not only won't affect religious liberties...it won't protect LGBT either.



But we all know how these laws tend to change over the years right

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:20:17 AM EDT
But we all know how these laws tend to change over the years right


It won't take long before it's an extra charge tacked on just because the person happens to be gay, regardless of whether you even knew it or not.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:21:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?


yup....never was about equal rights...it's about silencing those who disagree with you.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:21:29 AM EDT
Oh, and I presume you'll now get an extra 10-15 for having a 'Surprise, Cock Fag' dust cover
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:22:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?



It's not speech...but intention of attack. You can call someone a fag all you want, you just can't call them a fag while your kicking their ass.



ahhh...the truth slips out......we'll toss you in prison for intent.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:23:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AshesToAshes:
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/04/29/top_stories/doc49f821e17fabe156442680.txt

Congress To Vote On Hate Crime Legislation

By JOE MURRAY, The Bulletin
Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Congress is set to vote today on a controversial measure that would extend hate crime protections to gays and lesbians. Supporters of the bill claim the legislation is necessary to protect the rights of a vulnerable minority, while opponents charge the bill is a guided attempt to restrict religious liberties.

At issue is whether hate crimes, protection is necessary for gays and lesbians. Conservative activists fear the legislation could eventually be used to silence preachers who teach homosexuality is sinful from the pulpit.

And, even though the hate crimes bill before Congress has First Amendment protections to prevent the legislation from being used to infringe on religious liberties, conservatives are not comforted.




I have to disagree. You can only be vulnerable if you allow others to provide for your safety and that goes for everyone.. Take responsibility for your own safety and the problems go away.  No one is going to mess with a gay person when they pull a Colt Anaconda with a 44mag loaded with 240gr federal Hydra Shok's. If they do they deserve the pain they are about to receive.

Now conservatives. If the First Amendment is not protection enoughfor you  then what is.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:24:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By poink:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By klinc:
Lord help the next white guy that beats up a gay black guy over anything... He will be punished "extra extra" special.



Nope...all the white guy has to do to beat a hate crime rap, is not use any antigay langauge while he's committing the crime.



So...someone should be punished for their speech?



It's not speech...but intention of attack. You can call someone a fag all you want, you just can't call them a fag while your kicking their ass.



So, it's a brief suspension of the First Amendment?



Nope.....but they have to set up away to prove that something is or isn't a hate crime. It's not really that hard to do, but defense lawyers have played the homo panic defense to the hilt.


bullshit...just making the allegation is all it takes......the media does the trying...and the alleged "perp" is done for.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:27:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2009 6:29:07 AM EDT by winxlite]
This law can be construed to protect all alternative sexual preferences, including pedophilia, and necrophilia;  in fact the legislature voted down an amendment that would have excluded pedophiles from protection under the hate crimes bill.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:52:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hollands1:


Payback for votes:

Gays...check
Unions...check
Dark skinned people....Proposing laws to lighten the sentence for crack cocaine..
College tards...Working on re-structuring student loan programs

Who pays...You do...





You forgot the Environmental wackos, anti gun nuts and and abortionist.  They all are getting their payback.

By the way; the politically correct name for "dark skinned people" should be Ebonics speaking lobby.

Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:54:15 AM EDT
I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR GAY OVERLORDS.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:56:00 AM EDT
As usual, it is probably a worthless and ineffective measure.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:58:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thedave1164:
meh.....

It has been a while since I heard a preacher who was willing to preach against sin in general, much less call homosexuality a sin.



Pretty much a moot point.



Why fight for a right that no one will exercise?


My pastor preaches on sin pretty regularly.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 6:59:25 AM EDT
God will be their judge
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 7:00:20 AM EDT
Does this mean the term "Teh Ghey" is banned?
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 7:01:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
The whole notion of hate crimes is beyond stupid. Crimes are crimes. Murdering someone because they are gay/black/whatever leaves a victim that is just as dead as murdering somebody over their ATM withdrawal. It's still murder, and that's what the death penalty is for.

We should be eliminating "hate crime" legislation...not seeking to expand it.


It would be easier to exterminate the groups who lobby for it.
Link Posted: 4/29/2009 7:07:05 AM EDT
Hello Westboro Baptist Church!

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