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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:20:48 PM EDT
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I was working about 10 miles from there on Thursday when it happened, and I was working on the railroad. FRA inspectors everywhere
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:24:36 PM EDT
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Hadn't heard about this one. Last I knew of was the WV derailment.
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:25:34 PM EDT
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One of Buffet's trains at that.
I hope no one was hurt but but there is a hint of irony given that he is a big Obama supporter. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:26:18 PM EDT
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Hadn't heard about this one. Last I knew of was the WV derailment. The bad thing is that the veto of the pipeline could be tied to profits of someone who owns a lot of rail cars for carrying crude. Just an opinion of course. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:26:56 PM EDT
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Good thing it was a train load of oil, I mean can you imagine the media reports if it were a train load of coal....
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:27:14 PM EDT
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While this is a perfect example of why we need a pipeline they will double down on the stupid and demand we ban oil altogether, you know, because of the feels.
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:27:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of Buffet's trains at that. I hope no one was hurt but but there is a hint of irony given that he is a big Obama supporter. Laughing my ass off here. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:48:29 PM EDT
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/06/crude-oil-freight-train-derails-in-illinois-no-injuries-reported/ Needs dragged into downtown Chicago Came here expecting that comment. Didn't think it would be in the OP. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:50:03 PM EDT
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Big + 1 on that. He bought the railroad to capitalize on the oil shipments, His Boy Obama vetoed the pipeline. Now, Buffet's gamble pays off. In Spades too. Laughing my ass off here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One of Buffet's trains at that. I hope no one was hurt but but there is a hint of irony given that he is a big Obama supporter. Yep. Somehow they will blame someone else. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:52:41 PM EDT
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Another one derailed in Ontario.
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:02:02 PM EDT
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And if an oil pipe breaks?
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:15:24 PM EDT
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And if an oil pipe breaks? Shhhhh, I'm following the lib play book and using tragic news to further my agenda.
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:33:56 PM EDT
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I was working about 10 miles from there on Thursday when it happened, and I was working on the railroad. FRA inspectors everywhere All the livelong day? |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:44:34 PM EDT
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I was working about 10 miles from there on Thursday when it happened, and I was working on the railroad. FRA inspectors everywhere All the livelong day? lol |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:52:58 PM EDT
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And if an oil pipe breaks? You go shut the upstream block valve. Depending on conditions you may leave the downstream valves open to relieve pressure and aid in draining product away from the break. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:55:25 PM EDT
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I was working about 10 miles from there on Thursday when it happened, and I was working on the railroad. FRA inspectors everywhere All the live-long day? ETA: DAMMIT! 
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Posted: 3/7/2015 9:27:20 PM EDT
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You go shut the upstream block valve. Depending on conditions you may leave the downstream valves open to relieve pressure and aid in draining product away from the break. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And if an oil pipe breaks? You go shut the upstream block valve. Depending on conditions you may leave the downstream valves open to relieve pressure and aid in draining product away from the break. Not to mention pipeline breaks generally do not catch fire. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 10:32:27 PM EDT
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It's a good thing pipelines don't leak or break cause then I'd be really worried
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Posted: 3/7/2015 10:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to mention pipeline breaks generally do not catch fire. Because the more volatile compounds in the crude are required to be removed before going in the pipeline. They are not removed before being put in a rail car - but they obviously should be. There still are pipeline fires and fatalities, however. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 10:52:15 PM EDT
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And if an oil pipe breaks? Alaskan pipe line? How many? Been 50 years or so. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 10:57:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alaskan pipe line? How many? Been 50 years or so. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And if an oil pipe breaks? Alaskan pipe line? How many? Been 50 years or so. A shitload. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Alaska_Pipeline_System#Incidents |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 11:03:42 PM EDT
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And if an oil pipe breaks? Well it doesn't burst into flames shooting into the air 300 feet. That can be seen 20 miles away! 
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Posted: 3/7/2015 11:08:34 PM EDT
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All the live-long day? ETA: DAMMIT!
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I was working about 10 miles from there on Thursday when it happened, and I was working on the railroad. FRA inspectors everywhere All the live-long day? ETA: DAMMIT!
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Posted: 3/8/2015 11:22:20 AM EDT
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I was working about 10 miles from there on Thursday when it happened, and I was working on the railroad. FRA inspectors everywhere All the live-long day? ETA: DAMMIT!
LOL You'd be surprised how much I whistle that to myself when I'm at work. Apparently this particular area where the train derailed is a known trouble-spot. There was a big rain a few years back and it washed out all of the gravel underneath the rails. BN fixed it but it's never been the same since, the rail still bows a lot in that area. I don't know how that would affect a derailment since I'm not a track guy, but that's word on the street. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:37:31 PM EDT
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If they build it without using eminent domain to take land, then ok; otherwise fuck off.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they build it without using eminent domain to take land and without pumping the Ogallala aquifer dry, then ok; otherwise fuck off. Pipelines don't drain aquifers. Farmers do that but they also grow crops which are needed so they get a pass. No one needs oil .Pipelines are buried, deep. They don't take away crop land. They are routed away from developed areas because of cost. And because of value, compensation is always above market value. Yes, pipelines do eventually fail but modern pipeline operation, maintenance and testing assure such events are rare. Instead of moving cars at 70 MPH, crude plods along at a few feet per second. Tortoise and hare analogy fits. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:46:41 PM EDT
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And if an oil pipe breaks? They generally don't "break"...but if they leak we usually dig it up and repair it. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:52:03 PM EDT
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Wow, so much FUD with you. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Pipelines don't drain aquifers. Farmers do that but they also grow crops which are needed so they get a pass. No one needs oil .
Pipelines are buried, deep. They don't take away crop land. They are routed away from developed areas because of cost. And because of value, compensation is always above market value. Yes, pipelines do eventually fail but modern pipeline operation, maintenance and testing assure such events are rare. Instead of moving cars at 70 MPH, crude plods along at a few feet per second. Tortoise and hare analogy fits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they build it without using eminent domain to take land and without pumping the Ogallala aquifer dry, then ok; otherwise fuck off. Pipelines don't drain aquifers. Farmers do that but they also grow crops which are needed so they get a pass. No one needs oil .
Pipelines are buried, deep. They don't take away crop land. They are routed away from developed areas because of cost. And because of value, compensation is always above market value. Yes, pipelines do eventually fail but modern pipeline operation, maintenance and testing assure such events are rare. Instead of moving cars at 70 MPH, crude plods along at a few feet per second. Tortoise and hare analogy fits. Pipelines are generally buried 3 to 10 feet down. I wouldn't call that deep. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:54:06 PM EDT
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A pipeline is safer than rail or road transport period.
Generally the only pipelines that catastrophically fail are high pressure natural gas pipelines and that is a very rare event. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:59:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A pipeline is safer than rail or road transport period. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 12:59:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the more volatile compounds in the crude are required to be removed before going in the pipeline. They are not removed before being put in a rail car - but they obviously should be. There still are pipeline fires and fatalities, however. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not to mention pipeline breaks generally do not catch fire. Because the more volatile compounds in the crude are required to be removed before going in the pipeline. They are not removed before being put in a rail car - but they obviously should be. There still are pipeline fires and fatalities, however. That train came from here. We have a new law that all produced oil must be at a vapor pressure of under 13.5 PSI, and a lot of that crude is pipelined to where they are loading the trains so the vapor pressure is even lower to meet the the pipeline companies spec. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:21:53 PM EDT
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Wow, so much FUD with you. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Pipelines don't drain aquifers. Farmers do that but they also grow crops which are needed so they get a pass. No one needs oil .
Pipelines are buried, deep. They don't take away crop land. They are routed away from developed areas because of cost. And because of value, compensation is always above market value. Yes, pipelines do eventually fail but modern pipeline operation, maintenance and testing assure such events are rare. Instead of moving cars at 70 MPH, crude plods along at a few feet per second. Tortoise and hare analogy fits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they build it without using eminent domain to take land and without pumping the Ogallala aquifer dry, then ok; otherwise fuck off. Pipelines don't drain aquifers. Farmers do that but they also grow crops which are needed so they get a pass. No one needs oil .
Pipelines are buried, deep. They don't take away crop land. They are routed away from developed areas because of cost. And because of value, compensation is always above market value. Yes, pipelines do eventually fail but modern pipeline operation, maintenance and testing assure such events are rare. Instead of moving cars at 70 MPH, crude plods along at a few feet per second. Tortoise and hare analogy fits. On the water issue, I edited my post because I mistakenly thought they were planning to use additional water to move the oil, pumped from this area. It is a pretty common thing getting passed around here. I was wrong. On oil, yes everyone needs it, even in ranching we need it out here. I think a lot of people don't understand the land issue though. If they don't want to sell the land they shouldn't be forced too. Route the pipeline around those who don't want to sell. Right now it is 10% or so of landowners who don't want to sell. I also have not seen anyone address how they will repair the grassland here after they run the pipeline, although this becomes an individual issue for those who choose to sell. The land here is sand stabilized by the grass, once the grass is gone the blowouts become extremely difficult to repair. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:23:36 PM EDT
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Maybe, but the less oil that gets to market, the better for our planet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A pipeline is safer than rail or road transport period. Seriously?[%| |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:33:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if an oil pipe breaks? You shut it off at the closest upstream pig trap or pumping station. Pipelines don't generally break. They're buried in the ground anyway which would help contain the leak. A major earthquake might break one...but the XL segment wasn't planned to cross any major earthquake zones. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 1:51:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the water issue, I edited my post because I mistakenly thought they were planning to use additional water to move the oil, pumped from this area. It is a pretty common thing getting passed around here. I was wrong. On oil, yes everyone needs it, even in ranching we need it out here. I think a lot of people don't understand the land issue though. If they don't want to sell the land they shouldn't be forced too. Route the pipeline around those who don't want to sell. Right now it is 10% or so of landowners who don't want to sell. I also have not seen anyone address how they will repair the grassland here after they run the pipeline, although this becomes an individual issue for those who choose to sell. The land here is sand stabilized by the grass, once the grass is gone the blowouts become extremely difficult to repair. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If they build it without using eminent domain to take land and without pumping the Ogallala aquifer dry, then ok; otherwise fuck off. Pipelines don't drain aquifers. Farmers do that but they also grow crops which are needed so they get a pass. No one needs oil .Pipelines are buried, deep. They don't take away crop land. They are routed away from developed areas because of cost. And because of value, compensation is always above market value. Yes, pipelines do eventually fail but modern pipeline operation, maintenance and testing assure such events are rare. Instead of moving cars at 70 MPH, crude plods along at a few feet per second. Tortoise and hare analogy fits. On the water issue, I edited my post because I mistakenly thought they were planning to use additional water to move the oil, pumped from this area. It is a pretty common thing getting passed around here. I was wrong. On oil, yes everyone needs it, even in ranching we need it out here. I think a lot of people don't understand the land issue though. If they don't want to sell the land they shouldn't be forced too. Route the pipeline around those who don't want to sell. Right now it is 10% or so of landowners who don't want to sell. I also have not seen anyone address how they will repair the grassland here after they run the pipeline, although this becomes an individual issue for those who choose to sell. The land here is sand stabilized by the grass, once the grass is gone the blowouts become extremely difficult to repair. Pipeline Right-of-Way is generally only about 60' wide through the install and 30' after that. The extra temporary 30' is so they can lay off the topsoil and dirt dug out of the trench. Once the line is in the ditch and the dirt put back, it shrinks to the 30' width. Most ROWs are adjoining the property boundary and run don't across the middle of a property. They run along the fence lines. The price paid is usually higher than what the land is valued at - so as to prevent having to deal with 'eminent domain' suits. That is always a last resort and it is generally less expensive to re-route around a problem landowner or just to pay them a much higher price than the value of the land to change their minds. Eminent domain is what it is. We wouldn't have Interstate Hiways, most State Hiways, Electric power or a host of other things in this nation without it's use....and most of those projects can't be routed around a reluctant landowner like a pipeline can. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:20:58 PM EDT
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It's a good thing pipelines don't leak or break cause then I'd be really worried Run the risk assessment. flammable petro by rail and freight vs a pipeline. Not only is one MUCH safer then the other, but it's also far more efficient. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:29:09 PM EDT
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One of Buffet's trains at that. I hope no one was hurt but but there is a hint of irony given that he is a big Obama supporter. Atlas did what? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe, but the less oil that gets to market, the better for our planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A pipeline is safer than rail or road transport period. |
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