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Link Posted: 12/16/2010 9:56:55 AM EST
[#1]

Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is,  quite frankly, a liar.




So is the letter writer lying or is this the exception?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 9:57:24 AM EST
[#2]
Meh....
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 9:58:12 AM EST
[#3]
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 9:59:12 AM EST
[#4]
Some folks need to be reminded of rules #1 & #2.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:00:40 AM EST
[#5]
Quoted:
Some folks need to be reminded of rules amendments #1 & #2.


ar-jedi
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:01:54 AM EST
[#6]
That was interesting
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:03:23 AM EST
[#7]



Quoted:



Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is,  quite frankly, a liar.




So is the letter writer lying or is this the exception?


Classic Epimenides paradox.



 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:03:27 AM EST
[#8]
from the letter:

You see, Mr. Beck, we are not an organization. We have no leaders. We have no official spokesperson. We have no age, race, ethnicity, color, nationality, or gender. Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is, quite frankly, a liar.


So who is writing the letter???
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:03:33 AM EST
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Some folks need to be reminded of rules amendments #1 & #2.


ar-jedi


Here you go:
http://www.yelp.com/topic/hayward-do-you-know-the-official-rules-of-the-internet

Another source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rules%20Of%20The%20Internet
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:07:47 AM EST
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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Some folks need to be reminded of rules amendments #1 & #2.

Here you go:
http://www.yelp.com/topic/hayward-do-you-know-the-official-rules-of-the-internet
Another source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rules%20Of%20The%20Internet


yes, i got that.  loosen up a bit.  anon is not so serious.

here's some info for you as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

ar-jedi
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:09:25 AM EST
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Some folks need to be reminded of rules amendments #1 & #2.

Here you go:
http://www.yelp.com/topic/hayward-do-you-know-the-official-rules-of-the-internet
Another source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rules%20Of%20The%20Internet


yes, i got that.  loosen up a bit.  anon is not so serious.

here's some info for you as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

ar-jedi


Sorry, it's just getting bad lately and these kids are going to get one of the last wild frontiers of the net shut down if they don't quit running their damn mouths.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:25:36 AM EST
[#12]
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Sorry, it's just getting bad lately and these kids are going to get one of the last wild frontiers of the net shut down if they don't quit running their damn mouths.

i don't share your pessimism.  what's "getting bad lately"?
these "kids" are just as likely white collar professionals and blue collar tradesmen, you know the people who contribute to society.  
if the "last wild frontier" of 4chan goes away, another just like it will replace it, just like pulling your finger out of a glass of water.  the backfill would be instantaneous.  anon exists outside of 4chan, same as it always did, same as it always will.  there is no effect to anon, anon will move on and continue.

ar-jedi
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:34:08 AM EST
[#13]


Anon is going to get themselves screwed one day by their current 'outreach' programs they've been engaged in over the last year. For their sake they should stick to being harmless, overactive digital mischief's and not invite 'the man' into their lives. One day they're going to cross the wrong person or group and have the full resources of digital hell bought down upon them, forcing them way way way underground. IRC channels will no longer be a refuge.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:37:06 AM EST
[#14]
Quoted:
from the letter:

You see, Mr. Beck, we are not an organization. We have no leaders. We have no official spokesperson. We have no age, race, ethnicity, color, nationality, or gender. Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is, quite frankly, a liar.


So who is writing the letter???


Well, uh, the thing is...its no one.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:38:52 AM EST
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
from the letter:

You see, Mr. Beck, we are not an organization. We have no leaders. We have no official spokesperson. We have no age, race, ethnicity, color, nationality, or gender. Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is, quite frankly, a liar.


So who is writing the letter???


Well, uh, the thing is...its no one.

And everyone?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:47:53 AM EST
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
from the letter:

You see, Mr. Beck, we are not an organization. We have no leaders. We have no official spokesperson. We have no age, race, ethnicity, color, nationality, or gender. Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is, quite frankly, a liar.


So who is writing the letter???


Well, uh, the thing is...its no one.

And everyone?


...and that is why anon will never be anything more than an annoyance
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:49:57 AM EST
[#17]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is,  quite frankly, a liar.


So is the letter writer lying or is this the exception?

yeah, didn't really think that through  


The letter was written by committee in pastebin
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:55:55 AM EST
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is,  quite frankly, a liar.


So is the letter writer lying or is this the exception?

yeah, didn't really think that through  


The letter was written by committee in pastebin


so, if they were to photoshop a picture of an m113, would it come out looking like a Bradley IFV?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:00:07 PM EST
[#19]




Quoted:



Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is, quite frankly, a liar.




So is the letter writer lying or is this the exception?




I remember during the WTO riots here in Seattle, that the leader of the Anarchist group doing most of the rioting made a few statements...
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:04:00 PM EST
[#20]
Surprisingly well written.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:08:23 PM EST
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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Some folks need to be reminded of rules amendments #1 & #2.

Here you go:
http://www.yelp.com/topic/hayward-do-you-know-the-official-rules-of-the-internet
Another source:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rules%20Of%20The%20Internet


yes, i got that.  loosen up a bit.  anon is not so serious.

here's some info for you as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

ar-jedi


Sorry, it's just getting bad lately and these kids are going to get one of the last wild frontiers of the net shut down if they don't quit running their damn mouths.


Oh, it's coming, especially after that mastercard stunt. That's not just some social networking site, that's the second largest credit card issuer in the world. People who up until now did not care about the games played, suddenly have taken notice. Take a look at who MC donates to politically.

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Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:10:20 PM EST
[#22]
Okay then...

How is this guy speaking for all of anon?
According to the very same letter - there is no spokesperson for anon...

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:11:23 PM EST
[#23]
Quoted:
Okay then...

How is this guy speaking for all of anon?
According to the very same letter - there is no spokesperson for anon...



It wasn't written by one person.  Lots of people contributed.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:12:47 PM EST
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Okay then...

How is this guy speaking for all of anon?
According to the very same letter - there is no spokesperson for anon...



It wasn't written by one person.  Lots of people contributed.


That would make more sense.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:14:15 PM EST
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Okay then...

How is this guy speaking for all of anon?
According to the very same letter - there is no spokesperson for anon...



It wasn't written by one person.  Lots of people contributed.


Lots of charalatans.  The same clowns that show up to protests with loooooooooooooooooongcat printouts and EFG masks.

Anon has never released a statement, a video, or a captured enemy combatant.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:16:37 PM EST
[#26]




Quoted:



Quoted:



Quoted:

Okay then...



How is this guy speaking for all of anon?

According to the very same letter - there is no spokesperson for anon...







It wasn't written by one person. Lots of people contributed.




That would make more sense.




What? Like each person took turns contributing a word?  SOMEONE wrote it, and said "what do you all think".  Some people suggested adding something here or there, some just applied an appropriate golfclap, Some with "Ooohs" and "Ahhs", probably a few arguments, account locks, pics of tits, then SOMEONE sent it to Beck...  Thereby representing Anon.



Shoulda written the letter in the first person and indicated that "While I do not speak for Anon, this is what I believe we stand for". It would have made them look a bit less...silly.



Sillyness is silly.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:16:50 PM EST
[#27]
The letter was quite polite.
 



PS: But if there's no leadership, who approves the sentiment?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:27:46 PM EST
[#28]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Anyone who claims to speak for all of us is,  quite frankly, a liar.


So is the letter writer lying or is this the exception?

yeah, didn't really think that through  


The letter was written by committee in pastebin


More like an individual eating from a jar of paste.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:28:11 PM EST
[#29]
Quoted:
One day they're firearms enthusiasts are going to cross the wrong person or group and have the full resources of digital hell bought down upon them, forcing them way way way underground. IRC channels ARFCOM will no longer be a refuge.

fixt.

back on the topic of anon...
btw, what exactly does bringing "digital hell" consist of?
how might that work?  
and who would "bring it"?
you can be as specific and as technical as you need to, go ahead and use words like 'tor' and 'freenet', it's ok we are all friends.

ar-jedi
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:49:08 PM EST
[#30]




Quoted:



Quoted:

One day they're firearms enthusiasts are going to cross the wrong person or group and have the full resources of digital hell bought down upon them, forcing them way way way underground. IRC channels ARFCOM will no longer be a refuge.


fixt.



back on the topic of anon...

btw, what exactly does bringing "digital hell" consist of?

how might that work?

and who would "bring it"?

you can be as specific and as technical as you need to, go ahead and use words like 'tor' and 'freenet', it's ok we are all friends.



ar-jedi





That one is easy.



You highly regulate the internet and no more free wi-fi.



That would be a start.



...and that vehicle has already started down the road, and will get worse.



My guess is that China and North Korea will be a model for the new government mandated internet.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:52:02 PM EST
[#31]
Quoted:
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One day they're firearms enthusiasts are going to cross the wrong person or group and have the full resources of digital hell bought down upon them, forcing them way way way underground. IRC channels ARFCOM will no longer be a refuge.

fixt.

back on the topic of anon...
btw, what exactly does bringing "digital hell" consist of?
how might that work?  
and who would "bring it"?
you can be as specific and as technical as you need to, go ahead and use words like 'tor' and 'freenet', it's ok we are all friends.

ar-jedi


Doesn't have to be digital. RICO is a bitch.


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Link Posted: 12/16/2010 12:58:56 PM EST
[#32]
pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:01:26 PM EST
[#33]
Quoted:
The letter was quite polite.  

PS: But if there's no leadership, who approves the sentiment?

You are thinking backwards.

If there is no leadership, who is there to disapprove?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:03:08 PM EST
[#34]
I thought the letter was well done.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:04:40 PM EST
[#35]
Quoted:
pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.


Revolutions do not have to require blood.  In fact, all revolutions require more than mere blood.
Warfare is simply politics by violence.

You're looking at a single piece of sesame seed and thinking you see the whole hamburger.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:06:03 PM EST
[#36]
Quoted:
pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.


Why aren't you a member anymore?  
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:08:51 PM EST
[#37]




Quoted:



Quoted:

pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.




Why aren't you a member anymore?


Team membership expired.

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:10:07 PM EST
[#38]
Quoted:

Quoted:
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pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.


Why aren't you a member anymore?

Team membership expired.


You sure?  Log out and log back in.  Just in case.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:10:18 PM EST
[#39]
Quoted:
pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.


You'd be surprised.  I don't know how many times people on here have to explain that 'anon' isn't a god damn group.  It's just a generic term for an anonymous person on the internet, of which there are quite a few.  Most here are more or less anonymous excepting those that know each other in real life.  Could you make similar blanket statements about arfcommers?  Sure, but it would still be bull shit and of course have exceptions.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:10:43 PM EST
[#40]
Quoted:
You highly regulate the internet and no more free wi-fi.

yah, good luck putting that toothpaste back in the tube.  and, that very same "regulation" will result in a GDP hit, there is no way around that. ergo, our new Internet overlords are going to have to weigh, carefully, the near term and long term implications of heavy handed internet policing.  and in the end, it won't work.  

Quoted:
My guess is that China and North Korea will be a model for the new government mandated internet.

then say goodbye to global technology leadership in the USA, and somewhere between 5% and 30% of GDP.

ar-jedi

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:13:27 PM EST
[#41]




Quoted:



Quoted:





Quoted:



Quoted:

pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.




Why aren't you a member anymore?


Team membership expired.





You sure? Log out and log back in. Just in case.


mmm..



Test?



ETA: Thanks a ton
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:14:29 PM EST
[#42]
Quoted:
Doesn't have to be digital. RICO is a bitch.


really?  c'mon, help me out here.  

what's russian for RICO?
swedish?
german?
chinese?
french?
italian?
spanish?
canadian?  
...

as if RICO (Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968) could apply to the internet as a whole.

ar-jedi
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:16:55 PM EST
[#43]
These anon guys didn't invent plausible deniability......
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:17:10 PM EST
[#44]




Quoted:



Quoted:

pansy ass bitches don't know the meaning of revolution. Probably lucky to get sun for more than 5 minutes a day, let alone being tough enough to carry a rifle and combat load more than 500 feet.




You'd be surprised. I don't know how many times people on here have to explain that 'anon' isn't a god damn group. It's just a generic term for an anonymous person on the internet, of which there are quite a few. Most here are more or less anonymous excepting those that know each other in real life. Could you make similar blanket statements about arfcommers? Sure, but it would still be bull shit and of course have exceptions.




I could support them on many issues, possibly. But not when it comes to a group that is opening attacking companies that shut down wikileaks, which Wikileaks DOES have blood on it's hands.



Wikileaks has aided and abetted terrorists by giving them the names of many people who help NATO and our military thwart attacks and find those who plot and carry them out. They have released all the names that DoD had set as important strategic areas around the world, which gives Al-Qaeda and groups like it a tool to know good spots to attack. They have released information from such sources as AARs that allow the enemy to see what attack methods are more effective than others.



Fuck wikileaks and anyone who supports what they do. They are not doing a service for mankind, they are doing a disservice.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:21:36 PM EST
[#45]

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:24:53 PM EST
[#46]






What is it with you Ohio guys changing your Avatars all the time now?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:30:29 PM EST
[#47]




Quoted:



Quoted:

You highly regulate the internet and no more free wi-fi.


yah, good luck putting that toothpaste back in the tube. and, that very same "regulation" will result in a GDP hit, there is no way around that. ergo, our new Internet overlords are going to have to weigh, carefully, the near term and long term implications of heavy handed internet policing. and in the end, it won't work.





Quoted:

My guess is that China and North Korea will be a model for the new government mandated internet.


then say goodbye to global technology leadership in the USA, and somewhere between 5% and 30% of GDP.



ar-jedi





This has stopped governments before?

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:32:13 PM EST
[#48]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Doesn't have to be digital. RICO is a bitch.


really?  c'mon, help me out here.  

what's russian for RICO?
swedish?
german?
chinese?
french?
italian?
spanish?
canadian?  
...

as if RICO (Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the United States Code, 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968) could apply to the internet as a whole.

ar-jedi


Precedent under the Patriot act. Which, only english speaking Americans have to worry about, right?


These things have a way of warping out of control.

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Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:32:44 PM EST
[#49]
Quoted:
Anon has never released a statement, a video, or a captured enemy combatant.


Anon is trouble... Perhaps the good kind of trouble... Perhaps the bad.


If Anon were galvanized by some paradigm shift incident, given a good cause and went full retard, I fully believe it would be a worse threat than Al Qaeda. It'd be like a malignant brain tumor for the western world. It's also nearly an impossible threat to destroy.

Anon will eventually kill... Mark my words. Depending on circumstances, though, it could be good or bad.

TR85.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 1:35:14 PM EST
[#50]
Know what, I bet that little twist was intentional.
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