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Posted: 6/21/2017 11:41:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2017 11:47:22 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
I just had the displeasure of listening to a progressive British windbag on the radio named Richard V. Reeves.

"If you’re a top earner, helping your child succeed can mean hurting the chances of children with fewer privileges. Play the game inspired by the new book, Dream Hoarders, by Richard V. Reeves."

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/are-you-a-dream-hoarder/

"America is becoming a class-based society.

It’s now conventional wisdom to focus on the excesses of the top 1% — especially the top 0.01% — and how the ultra-rich are hoarding income and wealth while incomes for most other Americans are stagnant. But the more important, and widening, gap in American society is between the upper middle class and everyone else.

Reeves defines the upper middle class as those whose incomes are in the top 20 percent of American society. Income isn’t the only way to measure a society, but in a market economy it is crucial because access to money generally determines who gets the best quality education, housing, health care, and other necessary goods and services.

As Reeves shows, the growing separation between the upper middle class and everyone else can be seen in family structure, neighborhoods, attitudes, and lifestyle. Those at the top of the income ladder are becoming more effective at passing on their status to their children, reducing overall social mobility. The result is a fracturing of American society along class lines, not just an economic divide. Upper-middle-class children become upper-middle-class adults.

These trends matter because the separation and perpetuation of the upper middle class corrode prospects for more progressive approaches to policy. Various forms of “opportunity hoarding” among the upper middle class make it harder for others to rise up to the top rung. Examples include zoning laws and schooling, occupational licensing, college application procedures, and the allocation of internships. Upper middle class opportunity hoarding, Reeves argues, results in a less competitive economy as well as a less open society.

Inequality is inevitable and can even be good, within limits. But Reeves argues that society can take effective action to reduce opportunity hoarding and thus promote broader opportunity. This fascinating book shows how American society has become the very class-defined society that earlier Americans rebelled against — and what can be done to restore a more equitable society."


My favorite line from the interview was "The upper middle class is obsessed with the idea of a meritocracy."
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:42:27 AM EDT
They can kiss my ass.

Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:43:47 AM EDT
Some loser that thinks life is a zero sum game wanting to drag other people down.  Shocking.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:43:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2017 11:45:04 AM EDT by beitodesstrafe]
Lol. Oh well.


ETA:

Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:44:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2017 11:44:57 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
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Originally Posted By burnprocess:
They can kiss my ass.

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Mr. Reeves was quite blunt about his plan to leverage the power of the state against you. He said that we need to change the beliefs of Dream hoarders by engaging them and challenging thier privellage. And by doing this can vote in more progressive politicians.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:46:29 AM EDT
How dare people:

1. Want the best for their children.
2. Believe that the most qualified person for a position, get that position.


Shame on you!
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:47:03 AM EDT
Just another way for those that work for success to have to pay for those who are also unwilling to do the same.


Hoard baby, hoard!
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:47:15 AM EDT
good
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:47:34 AM EDT
and go be poor somewhere else
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:48:52 AM EDT
I don't give a shit about other people's stupid kids. 
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:49:21 AM EDT
They can kiss my upper middle class white trash ass.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:50:02 AM EDT
The core belief of this guy seems to be that money is in a finite supply. How can one hoard what isn't a limited resource?

A couple making $60k a year each is rich yo!
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:51:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
They can kiss my upper middle class white trash ass.
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You guys can make all the kids my ass comments you want. It doesn't change the fact these guys are literally telling you thier game plan to confiscate your wealth via the power of elected officials.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:52:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
They can kiss my upper middle class white trash ass.
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This  
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:53:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
You guys can make all the kids my ass comments you want. It doesn't change the fact these guys are literally telling you thier game plan to confiscate your wealth via the power of elected officials.
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Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
They can kiss my upper middle class white trash ass.
You guys can make all the kids my ass comments you want. It doesn't change the fact these guys are literally telling you thier game plan to confiscate your wealth via the power of elected officials.
They also told us Hillary would win.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:53:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WebleyMKVI:
How dare people:

1. Want the best for their children.
2. Believe that the most qualified person for a position, get that position.


Shame on you!
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Winston Churchill:
The problem with capitalism is the inequal distribution of wealth; the problem with socialism is the equal distribution of misery.

The leftist ahole is just truing to make everyone equally miserable. "You can't have that if I can't have that... So none of us will have that... That is leftism...
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:55:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:


You guys can make all the kids my ass comments you want. It doesn't change the fact these guys are literally telling you thier game plan to confiscate your wealth via the power of elected officials.
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We already have a game plan to counter.  It's quite simple.  Hell, it's in the constitution.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:55:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2017 11:58:52 AM EDT by Admiral_Crunch]
I worked very hard to get to the income level I am at now.  Barring disability, most people who are poor could improve their situation if they were so inclined and worked for it.

"I can't get a raise!  It'll cut into my government check!"  I don't know how common that really is, but if it happens, then you know that person has elected to remain on the Welfare Plantation rather than seek freedom.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:55:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JPK:
Winston Churchill:
The problem with capitalism is the inequal distribution of wealth; the problem with socialism is the equal distribution of misery.

The leftist ahole is just truing to make everyone equally miserable. "You can't have that if I can't have that... So none of us will have that... That is leftism...
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Originally Posted By JPK:
Originally Posted By WebleyMKVI:
How dare people:

1. Want the best for their children.
2. Believe that the most qualified person for a position, get that position.


Shame on you!
Winston Churchill:
The problem with capitalism is the inequal distribution of wealth; the problem with socialism is the equal distribution of misery.

The leftist ahole is just truing to make everyone equally miserable. "You can't have that if I can't have that... So none of us will have that... That is leftism...
I can't have a fellowship at a think tank so he shouldn't either.  
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:57:28 AM EDT
Did I make it before a Universal Living Wage was mentioned?
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:57:29 AM EDT
Yes it is. I also have 8 kids and a mother to support. We also give quite a bit to charities. I'm already paying for those unwilling.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:57:51 AM EDT
This guy is a moron, my family are legal immigrants and they made the American dream come true.  As their children we made the American dream come thru with hard work and dedication.  Just hoping the work ethics rubs off on my  guys as well.


Our guys classmates some of who are legal immigrants work very hard and have made the American dream come true for their families and don't have their hands out.  They put on their boots and made it happen.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:58:05 AM EDT
Every engineering class I took in college had empty seats, and there was plenty of student aid and loans available.  People didn't WANT to be there.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:58:06 AM EDT
How 'bout he go preach to Hillary, Soros, Bloomburg and any other self serving disgustingly rich progressive cunthead..
In the meantime I got hay to mow...
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:58:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 11:59:24 AM EDT
OP, why the question mark? Everyone here makes over 112k.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:00:17 PM EDT
Keynesian economics faggots. 

Austrian economics ftw.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:01:26 PM EDT
Pfffttt....Household?

I make more than by myself.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:02:32 PM EDT
Yeah, I'm a dream hoarder.. MY dreams.  Fuck every other leech.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:02:40 PM EDT
my household income is roughly 160k and my 6 month old will be going to the best schools we can afford.

Fuck that D-bag.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:02:59 PM EDT
Ok Site Staff, I want to change my name to "Dream Hoarder".
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:04:46 PM EDT
My wife and I worked our asses off to get where we are.  We just now feeling like we're making it.  And damn right I plan on leaving my kids a healthy nest egg.  

That guy and the rest of his ilk can lick my taint while I EARN my riches.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:04:47 PM EDT
I agree with some of that. Professional licensing and zoning laws do impair the ability of the poor. I've seen plenty of examples of people trying to better themselves get shut down by the city for not paying for the right to earn a living.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:04:50 PM EDT
I have piles of dreams in my garage and living room that reach the ceiling. Just little paths to go room to room... I haven't been able to use my own bathroom in months... I just shit through a hole in the floor
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:07:31 PM EDT
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I agree with some of that. Professional licensing and zoning laws do impair the ability of the poor. I've seen plenty of examples of people trying to better themselves get shut down by the city for not paying for the right to earn a living.
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And I wonder how many of the poor vote representatives into power that create those laws?  Don't want those laws, vote for less government.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:09:21 PM EDT
The Zero Sum fallacy.

Seriously, we need to burn down the Universities. They aren't teaching reason. They're indoctrinating.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:09:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
We already have a game plan to counter.  It's quite simple.  Hell, it's in the constitution.  
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Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:


You guys can make all the kids my ass comments you want. It doesn't change the fact these guys are literally telling you thier game plan to confiscate your wealth via the power of elected officials.
We already have a game plan to counter.  It's quite simple.  Hell, it's in the constitution.  
You're not wrong. But Soft fiscal oppression doesn't lead to armed rebellions. At least not very big ones. More regulations, taxes and fees are grumbled about but not much else.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:10:14 PM EDT
All your dreams are belong to me.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:12:18 PM EDT
I lived in 7 homes at age of 12, from there 6 years in a double wide.. went to 10 schools until I got my high school deploma...my wife and I almost clear 200k. I worked hard for what I have, piss off...
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:14:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:15:33 PM EDT
I don't simply want to hoard their dreams, I want to crush them. I want to leave them empty and void with nothing left but contempt for humanity itself. Only then will my thirst and hunger for their misery be satiated.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:15:35 PM EDT
MrsObserver remarked some years ago that my Indian name should be "Chief Shits on Dreams".

I guess she really is prescient.  Who knew (aside from her, of course)?
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:20:37 PM EDT
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are more people in the $112k range living paycheck to paycheck than those making half that. 

Gotta keep up with the joneses. Big house, a couple cars, the boat, latest and greatest electronics, etcetera etcetera. All that shit adds up super quick. 

They aren't hoarding shit. It goes out as fast as it comes in. 

Anyway the authors point sounds very dangerous. Essentially lowering everyone to a certain level so  everyone can be equal. 

Sounds suspiciously like communism. 
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:21:50 PM EDT
You can take all the wealth on earth and divide it equally to every person.

In five years most everybody will be back in the same position they started  from.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:21:59 PM EDT
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I don't give a shit about other people's stupid kids. 
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Originally Posted By DangerJ:
I don't give a shit about other people's stupid kids. 
^ This.

I want people to be free to raise kids that aren't stupid, but if they fail at that then fuck 'em.

Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By SDMF_Rebel:
They can kiss my upper middle class white trash ass.
You guys can make all the kids my ass comments you want. It doesn't change the fact these guys are literally telling you thier game plan to confiscate your wealth via the power of elected officials.
Too bad there isn't anything whatsoever we can do about it.  Oh wait, nevermind - there is.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:23:45 PM EDT
Does that mean getting slammed by income taxes makes the govt a dream hoarder hoarder?
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:24:22 PM EDT
Coming soon to the country you live in.  Look for this mentality to grow here and politicians to legislate for, "sharing the wealth," and taxation to support the burgeoning FSA.  Our country as we have known it is changing, and the march toward socialism will continue.  As Margaret Thatcher said, "The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money."
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:24:44 PM EDT
Dead Kennedys - Kill the poor
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:27:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2017 12:29:58 PM EDT by Dave15]
Meh, I dont make that much, but live well within my means. House, land, vehicles all paid off. Busted my ass though for what I do have and I'll be damned if any chucklehead is going to redistribute any more than it already is.

If they had my work ethic, they wouldn't NEED my money!
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:29:36 PM EDT
Idiot. I guess the hundreds of thousands of dollars my wife and I have invested are not helping anyone
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