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Posted: 7/30/2005 5:19:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 6:36:23 PM EDT by 22bad]
Anger over 'shoot to kill' policy grows
Gaby Hinsliff, political editor
Sunday July 31, 2005
The Observer
politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,1539880,00.html
Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, faced calls yesterday for an urgent review of the 'shoot-to-kill' policy against suicide bombers as MPs demanded the public be consulted.
Sir Bill Morris, the former transport union leader who chaired a pioneering inquiry into disciplinary measures in the Metropolitan Police, led the calls for a public debate. He said citizens should be consulted about such a 'gigantic and fundamental' step taken in their name. His call was backed by opposition politicians.

It emerged yesterday that the Met's guidelines for confronting bombers allow armed police, in some cases, to fire a 'critical headshot' without even challenging the individual to stop, if it is feared an explosion is imminent. Until now, it has been assumed that suspects would be given a chance to surrender.
Gareth Peirce, solicitor for the family of Jean Charles de Menezes - the innocent man shot dead after being mistaken for a suicide bomber - called for Clarke to disclose all details of the policy rather than wait for the official inquiry into her client's death. 'We need the facts in the case now. It's an emergency situation,' she said.

The new tactics were actually disclosed a week after the 7 July bombings, but the full implications did not become apparent until de Menezes was shot on 22 July. The Met has still not published the full guidelines.

Home Office ministers have repeatedly insisted that the 'shoot-to-kill' policy is an operational matter for the police that does not require political approval. However, opposition MPs said it could no longer hide behind operational constraints.

'The new terrorist threat requires new responses,' said Jeremy Browne, a Liberal Democrat member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee. 'But an operational policy decision as fundamental as shoot to kill poses wider questions about the power of the state, and should be subject to proper political scrutiny and approval.'

Morris said while these tactics might be necessary in some exceptional circumstances, the police needed public support. 'If that is being done in our name, then it seems to me that there needs to be a debate, and political ownership of that has got to go to the elected authority,' he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. 'Operational matters spring from policy, and this is clearly a significant change in policy. When we as a nation decided that we wanted to end capital punishment, we didn't have chief police officers meeting and taking the decision.' But the former Home Office Minister John Denham warned there could be more complicated factors involved than just the police guidelines.

'When I was policing minister, I had the then Police Complaints Authority carry out an assessment of 20 police shootings in which I think the vast majority were of innocent or harmless people, none of which was under the current guidance,' he said.

'The issues turned out to be around training, the handling of information, assessment of intelligence. It would be quite surprising if the same issues don't arise in this case.'

He said it was possible the select committee would investigate the approach to suicide bombers, but only once the Independent Police Complaints Commission - which is now investigating the de Menezes shooting - has established the full facts.

Hazel Blears, the policing minister, told the Today programme it was 'right and proper' that there were new tactics for a new threat, adding: 'These are operational matters for the police service about how these decisions are made.'

The new guidance for the campaign against suicide bombers, known as Operation Kratos, was produced after consultation with Israeli security experts.

Officers are advised to shoot at the suspect's head rather than the chest to disable him instantly to avoid detonating explosives strapped to the body.

West Midlands police used a non-lethal Taser stun gun to subdue one of the bombing suspects captured last week. However Sir Ian Blair, the Met Police Commissioner, has openly criticised such tactics, saying a Taser could actually set off a device.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:22:33 PM EDT
Ah, geez. The guy was coming out of a known terrorist house, in heavy clothing. His visa was expired. So he ran from the cops. They thought he had bombs on him.

If he had stopped and given up it never would have happened.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:23:36 PM EDT
Because asking a SUICIDE bomber to give up is always going to work.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:24:02 PM EDT
yeah but, they unfairly targeted an illegal alien, he just wanted a better life.................
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:27:34 PM EDT
They punked....
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:29:08 PM EDT
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:29:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2005 5:29:48 PM EDT by w4klr]
Too bad they don't have any weapons to revolt against something they don't like, whether it makes sense or not.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:31:48 PM EDT
Note to self:

When in London, don't act like a terrorist if you don't want to get shot.

There, see? That was simple.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:32:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:35:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:36:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Totally agree.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:36:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



+1
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:39:32 PM EDT
Now the limeys are trying to prove they're soooo civilized they won't even kill suicide bombers in order to prevent the murder of many innocents?

Why not just pass out a tube of anal lube to all the subjects- I mean, citizens, and get it over with.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:41:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:42:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Note to self:

When in London, don't act like a terrorist if you don't want to get shot.

There, see? That was simple.



They may be concerned that this is just the start of a "tough on crime" attitude
wouldn't want the criminals to start being afraid of the Police now would we?
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:44:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:47:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2005 5:49:00 PM EDT by lu380]

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Jean Charles de Menezes - the innocent man shot dead after being mistaken for a suicide bomber



It still hasn't been explained why he was observed leaving a known terrorist safe house. I'm still not convinced he was innocent, even if he didn't have a bomb on his person at the time of the shooting.

ETA: Why would a British citizen care anyway? It's not like the guy was British, and he was there illegally.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:48:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........



I'm not sure all rise to the nature or shoot to kill. I will have to think about that one a while longer. Firing on an officer or public is one thing. Just a chase. I don't know.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 5:49:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lu380:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Jean Charles de Menezes - the innocent man shot dead after being mistaken for a suicide bomber



It still hasn't been explained why he was observed leaving a known terrorist safe house. I'm still not convinced he was innocent, even if he didn't have a bomb on his person at the time of the shooting.



I agree. Something smells fishy.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:03:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........



I'm not sure all rise to the nature or shoot to kill. I will have to think about that one a while longer. Firing on an officer or public is one thing. Just a chase. I don't know.



everyone seems to agree in the other thread about the Cop that had to wait three years
that he made a good shoot of a woman with a knife that might have stabbed the employee
how much more dangerous are these fleeing a$$holes with a high speed motorized "tank"
how many women, children, fathers and Cops have they killed or ruined fincially\physically?
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:11:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........



I'm not sure all rise to the nature or shoot to kill. I will have to think about that one a while longer. Firing on an officer or public is one thing. Just a chase. I don't know.



everyone seems to agree in the other thread about the Cop that had to wait three years
that he made a good shoot of a woman with a knife that might have stabbed the employee
how much more dangerous are these fleeing a$$holes with a high speed motorized "tank"
how many women, children, fathers and Cops have they killed or ruined fincially\physically?



I agree with what you are saying. But also, do you really know how much lead must be thrown at a moving vehicle to kill the person or disable the vehicle? It's harder to knock out a vehicle/driver than you think. Lot's of loose lead.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:12:13 PM EDT
Not trying to convince anyone
I just feel that threats should not
be "spanked", they should be stopped
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:12:34 PM EDT
No doubt the moslem terrorist ROP'ers in England and the "let me suck your dick before you kill me" Liberals in GB are calling the Home Sec and whining about sand in their widdle pink manginas...an "it's just not right to shoot anybody for anything"....Same as they would be doing here...if cops started blowing away fucktards in winter jackets in 90 degree summer heat after a rash of suicide bombings.


Liberal socialist dimokrat bone smoker stupidity knows no bounds.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:15:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........



I'm not sure all rise to the nature or shoot to kill. I will have to think about that one a while longer. Firing on an officer or public is one thing. Just a chase. I don't know.



everyone seems to agree in the other thread about the Cop that had to wait three years
that he made a good shoot of a woman with a knife that might have stabbed the employee
how much more dangerous are these fleeing a$$holes with a high speed motorized "tank"
how many women, children, fathers and Cops have they killed or ruined fincially\physically?



I agree with what you are saying. But also, do you really know how much lead must be thrown at a moving vehicle to kill the person or disable the vehicle? It's harder to knock out a vehicle/driver than you think. Lot's of loose lead.



Just saying it should be an option...........instead of just not chasing fleeing criminals
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:22:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........



I'm not sure all rise to the nature or shoot to kill. I will have to think about that one a while longer. Firing on an officer or public is one thing. Just a chase. I don't know.



everyone seems to agree in the other thread about the Cop that had to wait three years
that he made a good shoot of a woman with a knife that might have stabbed the employee
how much more dangerous are these fleeing a$$holes with a high speed motorized "tank"
how many women, children, fathers and Cops have they killed or ruined fincially\physically?



I agree with what you are saying. But also, do you really know how much lead must be thrown at a moving vehicle to kill the person or disable the vehicle? It's harder to knock out a vehicle/driver than you think. Lot's of loose lead.



Just saying it should be an option...........instead of just not chasing fleeing criminals



I agree. Goes back to officer discreation. One decision you're either a hero or a zero.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:38:57 PM EDT
What do they want? "shoot -to-tickle"??

ktm500
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:53:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
We need shoot to kill for high speed chases in America
(immediate threat to life and property)



I'm torn on that one.



Watch a couple of the max-x chase scenes, see if that doesn't tip the balance...........



I'm not sure all rise to the nature or shoot to kill. I will have to think about that one a while longer. Firing on an officer or public is one thing. Just a chase. I don't know.



everyone seems to agree in the other thread about the Cop that had to wait three years
that he made a good shoot of a woman with a knife that might have stabbed the employee
how much more dangerous are these fleeing a$$holes with a high speed motorized "tank"
how many women, children, fathers and Cops have they killed or ruined fincially\physically?



I agree with what you are saying. But also, do you really know how much lead must be thrown at a moving vehicle to kill the person or disable the vehicle? It's harder to knock out a vehicle/driver than you think. Lot's of loose lead.



Just saying it should be an option...........instead of just not chasing fleeing criminals



I agree. Goes back to officer discretion. One decision you're either a hero or a zero.



I was talking to an Officer telling him I was interested in a Badge
he said you are always halfway to an indictment or a lawsuit
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:59:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Not trying to convince anyone
I just feel that threats should not
be "spanked", they should be stopped



stopped wth extreme prejudice.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 8:02:59 PM EDT
Hate to say it, and most everyone disagreed with me, but I told you so. The shoot was a bad one. They guy was pinned on the ground by the cop. At that point he shouldn't have shot; if he was a (percieved) threat shoot from a distance, if he is not a threat as so much you feel you can safely tackle him, then you have no justification shooting. I knew this was not going to fly well in the media.

Cops just like the military need to be cognisant of how things "look" to the public. Like Black Hawk Down is the story of "Modern War" complete with cameras and public perception, so to is the age we live in. Get used to be second guessing 30 seconds after you holster your weapon. Need to have a little adapability in RoE than just killing, especially if you don't know for sure who the guy is or why he is running.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 8:43:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Hate to say it, and most everyone disagreed with me, but I told you so. The shoot was a bad one. They guy was pinned on the ground by the cop. At that point he shouldn't have shot; if he was a (percieved) threat shoot from a distance, if he is not a threat as so much you feel you can safely tackle him, then you have no justification shooting. I knew this was not going to fly well in the media.

Cops just like the military need to be cognisant of how things "look" to the public. Like Black Hawk Down is the story of "Modern War" complete with cameras and public perception, so to is the age we live in. Get used to be second guessing 30 seconds after you holster your weapon. Need to have a little adapability in RoE than just killing, especially if you don't know for sure who the guy is or why he is running.



Sorry, I missed your prediction
personally, I consider it a good shoot
illegal alien runs rather than surrender.......

and, as far as "aware" of public perception
I think the onus should be on the public relations dept
to explain any "difficult to understand" situations
there have been several Cops killed while attempting to
determine the "after effects" of drawing their weapon
while they were involved in life threatening situations
I can assure you that I am VERY familiar with the
concept of liability, I'll say it again VERY FAMILIAR
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 8:46:43 PM EDT
I can't believe you guys are still reading from that lef-wing lunatic banter of that Guardian tabloid.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 8:54:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2005 9:00:29 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:
I can't believe you guys are still reading from that lef-wing lunatic banter of that Guardian tabloid.



I........dunno............would it be possible.................for you to discuss the topic.............or stfu?

ETA: I can't imagine where you got the idea that you are the "older wiser head" around here
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 9:12:17 PM EDT
I lost all feable respect for that "Judge Anthony Napala-whats-his-face" when I heard him tell the interviewer that they should have shot to wound him like his legs or hip or something. Shooting him in the head was just not civilized. Near jumped out of my seat screaming at the TV at which point my wife flipped the channel.

The public has become too stupid and pussified to even let the cops try to deal with terror. Those guys had to make a right-fucking-now choice and if they had restrained and he had been a bomber that failure could have cost 10s or 100s of lives.

Don't fucking deploy them to stop bombers if you aren't willing to let them use deadly force when they have a reasonable basis to stop the man.

I can't stand most of this piss and moan world anymore.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 9:32:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
I lost all feable respect for that "Judge Anthony Napala-whats-his-face" when I heard him tell the interviewer that they should have shot to wound him like his legs or hip or something.
Shooting him in the head was just not civilized.



suicide bombers on the other hand are the epitome of civilization
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 10:08:04 PM EDT
The "shoot to kill" question is simple in this situation. RoPers bomb a cops city and another failed attempt later. Days later a RoPer with heavy clothing runs from police and heads for the same targets as the last two. So the cop tackles the guy who is still resisting and to keep him from blowing them both up shoots him in the head. Even with multiple head shots I think he was justified considering the time and situation.


Have they ruled out suicide by cop, I mean the guy looks like a RoPer and is wearing baggy clothing and then runs into the subway (sorry "tube"). WTF is this idiot thinking anyway and then resists arrest. On top of all that and allah does nothing to help the guy out???

Just my .02 Joe
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 10:27:30 PM EDT
Think of it as reasoning with them. Instead of using words, we inject lead "thoughts" into their heads that always persuade them not to blow up.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 10:30:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By joecav:
The "shoot to kill" question is simple in this situation. RoPers bomb a cops city and another failed attempt later. Days later a RoPer with heavy clothing runs from police and heads for the same targets as the last two. So the cop tackles the guy who is still resisting and to keep him from blowing them both up shoots him in the head. Even with multiple head shots I think he was justified considering the time and situation.


Have they ruled out suicide by cop, I mean the guy looks like a RoPer and is wearing baggy clothing and then runs into the subway (sorry "tube"). WTF is this idiot thinking anyway and then resists arrest. On top of all that and allah does nothing to help the guy out???

Just my .02 Joe



either he was a co-conspiritor using his electrical knowledge for the bombmaking
or he was just an illegal that didn't want to get caught and was willing to run from Police
five years ago, I might have felt worse about his predicament.........
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 10:40:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2005 10:41:27 PM EDT by R0ME0]
WE NEED TO SHOOT TO KILL PEOPLE WITH MORE THAM TEN ITEMS IN THE EXPRESS CHECKOUT LANE AT THE LOCAL SUPERMARKET. BUNCH OF BASTARDS!!!

Link Posted: 7/30/2005 10:45:59 PM EDT
Well, they'll be even more upset when "Shoot to maim" banktrupts the island.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 10:59:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:


either he was a co-conspiritor using his electrical knowledge for the bombmaking
or he was just an illegal that didn't want to get caught and was willing to run from Police
five years ago, I might have felt worse about his predicament.........



That would explain a lot. I never looked at it that way. He was in a terrorist safe house, AND he was an electrician. It would make sense that he could have been wiring detonators for them.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 11:29:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Wait until the same happens here. I bet y'all will sing a different tune.

He shouldnt have been shot, end of story
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 11:31:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Wait until the same happens here. I bet y'all will sing a different tune.

He shouldnt have been shot, end of story



If you are innocent, don't do guilty things. Plain and simple.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 11:39:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Wait until the same happens here. I bet y'all will sing a different tune.

He shouldnt have been shot, end of story



If you are innocent, don't do guilty things. Plain and simple.



Spare me this BS.

So you are getting on the subway in NY, and a cop walks up and says I need to search your bags. You say FOAD and try to leave, he then SHOOTS you IN the HEAD and its Ok Fuck you buddy and read the Constitution (I know it was in england but think about it) I have a RIGHT to act how I want and shouldnt have to worry about some overzealouse JBT shooting me.

BAD SHOOT
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 11:39:42 AM EDT
question - what arms do British security forces use?
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 11:54:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ben70:
question - what arms do British security forces use?



I was in London from 7/7 to 7/11 and the officers that were armed had mostly MP5's and Glock pistols.

This is a guard outside Scotland Yard. The old Vet on the left was part of the VE day celebration and got to have lunch with the Queen.

This is a picture of an officer during the VE day celebration outside the palace.
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 12:06:42 PM EDT
Yeah, you know, they make a mistake, a small one, since the dumb ass jumped a turnstile and ran, while apperaing to be a suicide bomber...BUT if he was nth police didn't stop him, and he blew up a bunch of people, then the cops are a$$holes becaues they didn't stop.


Truth be told, there is no winning with limp dicked liberal pieces of crap...or ROP'ers (obviously THEY want the policy changed too, so no one will blow them away on their way to kill some infidels)
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 12:08:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Wait until the same happens here. I bet y'all will sing a different tune.

He shouldnt have been shot, end of story



If you are innocent, don't do guilty things. Plain and simple.



Spare me this BS.

So you are getting on the subway in NY, and a cop walks up and says I need to search your bags. You say FOAD and try to leave, he then SHOOTS you IN the HEAD and its Ok Fuck you buddy and read the Constitution (I know it was in england but think about it) I have a RIGHT to act how I want and shouldnt have to worry about some overzealouse JBT shooting me.

BAD SHOOT



Uhh, if I'm dumb enough to run, jump a turnstile, and keep running, I guess it my tough sh*t....
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 1:06:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Wait until the same happens here. I bet y'all will sing a different tune.

He shouldnt have been shot, end of story



If you are innocent, don't do guilty things. Plain and simple.



Spare me this BS.

So you are getting on the subway in NY, and a cop walks up and says I need to search your bags. You say FOAD and try to leave, he then SHOOTS you IN the HEAD and its Ok Fuck you buddy and read the Constitution (I know it was in england but think about it) I have a RIGHT to act how I want and shouldnt have to worry about some overzealouse JBT shooting me.

BAD SHOOT



Uhh, if I'm dumb enough to run, jump a turnstile, and keep running, I guess it my tough sh*t....



Yeah THATS reason enough to shoot someone

I guess y'all LIKE police states. And everyone wonders why we are loosing our rights in this world

People SHEEPLE like yourselves
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 1:33:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 1:33:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2005 2:34:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By pzjgr:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By w4klr:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
They punked....



Who punked?




The ones suddenly whining about this shit.



Wait until the same happens here. I bet y'all will sing a different tune.

He shouldnt have been shot, end of story



If you are innocent, don't do guilty things. Plain and simple.



Spare me this BS.

So you are getting on the subway in NY, and a cop walks up and says I need to search your bags. You say FOAD and try to leave, he then SHOOTS you IN the HEAD and its Ok Fuck you buddy and read the Constitution (I know it was in england but think about it) I have a RIGHT to act how I want and shouldnt have to worry about some overzealouse JBT shooting me.

BAD SHOOT



Uhh, if I'm dumb enough to run, jump a turnstile, and keep running, I guess it my tough sh*t....



Yeah THATS reason enough to shoot someone

I guess y'all LIKE police states. And everyone wonders why we are loosing our rights in this world

People SHEEPLE like yourselves



Sorry you don't baaaaaa see it our way, if you think it is acceptable to
run from the Police you are either a criminal or a teenager............
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