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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:00:55 AM EDT
$122 Too bad. Such a neat, although useless design. Then for it to suck horribly and jam all the time. Now to see them cheaper than hi points and cobra arms crap. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/411553986/Handguns/U.S.%20Firearms%20Zip%2022%20USZIPNMB76%20No%20Mag/ 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:03:03 AM EDT
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Hey my Cobra fires everytime.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:04:19 AM EDT
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Hey my Cobra fires everytime. So do hi points. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:04:46 AM EDT
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it.
Almost. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:05:13 AM EDT
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I remember when you could buy one of the smaller cast zinc guns for 20 bucks dealer price.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:06:55 AM EDT
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What's worse is that they were once known for their beautiful SAA clones. This is no legacy.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:07:47 AM EDT
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Its so sad, USFA used to make some of the finest SAA clones in the world...now they make that...thing.
Beat my less than a minute by Strela, but it is true.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:08:23 AM EDT
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I'll pass
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:15:59 AM EDT
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it. Almost. This. With a mini optic, BX25's and my Outback II, it would be a hoot... if it actually worked. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:16:23 AM EDT
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$122 Too bad. Such a neat, although useless design. Then for it to suck horribly and jam all the time. Now to see them cheaper than hi points and cobra arms crap. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/411553986/Handguns/U.S.%20Firearms%20Zip%2022%20USZIPNMB76%20No%20Mag/ http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/411553986_2.jpg Fuck them. USFA sold out on replicas of 1st Generation Colt Single Action Armies, beautifully done up guns, for these pieces of shit. I want to bash the owner's head in with that plastic piece of shit. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:19:21 AM EDT
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What's worse is that they were once known for their beautiful SAA clones. This is no legacy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's worse is that they were once known for their beautiful SAA clones. This is no legacy. Quoted:
Its so sad, USFA used to make some of the finest SAA clones in the world...now they make that...thing.
Beat my less than a minute by Strela, but it is true. I'm glad I'm not the only one I was going to order a custom set when I realized the cocksuckers stopped making SAAs for whatever that abortion is. I did manage to snag one of the last new Rodeo SAAs, one of the ones with the treatment problems so it's a little spotty. IDGAF, she's beautiful and shoots. 
Still pisses me off. They had great color case hardening. The "Hand of God" SAA that Russell Crowe uses in "3:10 to Yuma" remake was made by them. My question is "what did they do with all that original Colt SAA machinery?" 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Ill get one when they hit 100 bucks.
It will happen. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:29:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ill get one when they hit 100 bucks. It will happen. Same |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:29:32 AM EDT
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A friend of mine bought one of those a couple of years back and it was complete garbage. We could not get it to shoot reliably. It jammed every other round.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:30:48 AM EDT
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That concept (actually executed to be functional, naturally), suppressed and rail-mountable, would be neat under the barrel of an AR.
The Silent Option. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:32:53 AM EDT
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it. Almost. After seeing some of your builds I have to say that if anyone was going to attempt to un-fuck that thing you'd be the guy to do it. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:34:43 AM EDT
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For $100 it would be neat just for a dang novelty.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:35:40 AM EDT
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it. Almost. Has anyone here ever messed with one enough to figure out why they don't run? Is it just a function of shitty part-fitting? There's no reason why they shouldn't work... it's not exactly tricky or groundbreaking engineering to get a small blowback .22 auto to work decently. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:40:52 AM EDT
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That concept (actually executed to be functional, naturally), suppressed and rail-mountable, would be neat under the barrel of an AR. The Silent Option. If I mount it under a SBR, is that another stamp? 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:02:42 PM EDT
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Has anyone here ever messed with one enough to figure out why they don't run? Is it just a function of shitty part-fitting? There's no reason why they shouldn't work... it's not exactly tricky or groundbreaking engineering to get a small blowback .22 auto to work decently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it. Almost. Has anyone here ever messed with one enough to figure out why they don't run? Is it just a function of shitty part-fitting? There's no reason why they shouldn't work... it's not exactly tricky or groundbreaking engineering to get a small blowback .22 auto to work decently. The main problem seems to be that the bolt timing of the cycling is too fast for most Ruger 10/22 compatible mags to lift the next round into feed position and be stripped off into battery. So they've re-worked the bolt, and offer the "reliability kit" for the 25 round magazines. I'm guessing that to get it to fit in that form factor and have enough room for the hand to grip the thing, the bolt is somewhat overhung around the barrel like an UZI, mass is mass, and friction is friction, but something about that arrangement might be making it trickier to get bombproof reliability out of the design. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:09:35 PM EDT
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Sounds like it needs moar tungsten bolt insert.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:14:13 PM EDT
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That's the bolt on the bottom right. Tiny little thing.
The action rods and charging handles are bolted to the bolt, but I don't know how much mass they add. There are also 3 action springs. If I remember correctly, you use all 3 for HV stuff, and remove the center one for subsonics, but I could be way off. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:22:44 PM EDT
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"ZIP"
They gave it the right name. I may go look at one, I like odd ball firearms. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:35:16 PM EDT
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it. Almost. project challenge accepted.... ill buy one and see what it takes to get reliable function (minus suppressor since i dont live in a truly free state) |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:40:18 PM EDT
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project challenge accepted.... ill buy one and see what it takes to get reliable function (minus suppressor since i dont live in a truly free state) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I almost want to get one, work it over and make it actually work, and throw a threaded barrel and some 25rd mags on it. Almost. project challenge accepted.... ill buy one and see what it takes to get reliable function (minus suppressor since i dont live in a truly free state) Let us know how it goes 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:44:10 PM EDT
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Thank you, but meh. DO NOT WANT.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:55:47 PM EDT
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I bought one a while back for a cheap novelty because I have a bunch of 10/22 mags. I can never get it to shoot a whole mag, 10 or 25 round.
The problem I see is that there is no extractor on the bolt. If someone could figure out how to install a 10/22 extractor on the bolt it might work better. I think a keltec P11 might also work. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:56:59 PM EDT
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They obviously didn't understand how the off-center recoil buffer pin functions as a rate reducer.
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