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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:43:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 7:44:31 AM EST by patchouli]
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/26070-maya-predicted-1991-solar-eclipse.html

Pretty crazy. We think we're so smart. But the oldies knew some shit too.

I took an astronomy class in college that was heavy on math and I don't think I'd be able to figure out when the nest eclipse was without google.
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Their Nobel prize level thinkers were engaged in astronomy
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
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I guess there has always been that next level genius type segment in populations.
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People all over the world were able to predict eclipses long before Europeans showed up.
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Knowledge of Astronomy is was very beneficial for ancient peoples. It told them when to plant and when to harvest when the winter would come etc.

Many ancient peoples had advanced Astronomical knowledge because they paid a lot of attention.
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Originally Posted By StewartTR:
Knowledge of Astronomy is was very beneficial for ancient peoples. It told them when to plant and when to harvest when the winter would come etc.

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This. Everybody is AMAZED at Stonehenge and other astronomical observatories but it was CRUCIAL to survival. Knowing when the danger of a killing frost/freeze was past would greatly enhance your chances of not dying of starvation. They simply observed and then created devices/math to help with those calculations. Although the accuracy is amazing.
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Originally Posted By patchouli:


I guess there has always been that next level genius type segment in populations.
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People have always been born with varying levels
Of intelligence, just like now. The difference back then was that depending on your culture, where it was possible
to use that intelligence
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Think of it this way. Intelligence probably hasn't increased or decreased much overall from then to now, it's just that we have WAY more tools and resources at our disposal. People back then weren't dumb.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
People all over the world were able to predict eclipses long before Europeans showed up.
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People predicting eclipses all over the world never seemed to predict the Europeans showing up.
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Many cultures throughout history knew these things
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
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and we showed up last and did it the best...




Think of all the other Mayan shit the European/religious nuts destroyed/burned?
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
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Built pyramids

Sacrificed humans

Wiped out by Conquistadors with the help of thousands of Indians from tribes they used as slaves to build pyramids and human sacrifices.

No Nobel prize for that.
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Would've been helpful if they'd dedicated some of those to transportation or metal working.
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Would've been helpful if they'd dedicated some of those to transportation or metal working.
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And chemistry. Some gunpowder would have been a YUGE help.
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Did the predict Climate Change?
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Did the predict Climate Change?
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No, but they did predict the end of the World in 2012.
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Originally Posted By StewartTR:
Knowledge of Astronomy is was very beneficial for ancient peoples. It told them when to plant and when to harvest when the winter would come etc.

Many ancient peoples had advanced Astronomical knowledge because they paid a lot of attention.
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That, plus there wasn't much else to do. I wonder how much cool stuff I could think of if I weren't reading GD all day long.
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Originally Posted By warkittens:

That, plus there wasn't much else to do. I wonder how much cool stuff I could think of if I weren't reading GD all day long.
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We could end hunger and bring peace to the ME. We might have invented FTL travel by now. Hell, we might even have conclusive proof that Bigfoot exists.
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Didn't they predict the end of the world for 2012? Guess they nailed Øbama's re election.
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Originally Posted By slama682:
People predicting eclipses all over the world never seemed to predict the Europeans showing up.
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Nobody expects the Spanish Invasion!
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Originally Posted By slama682:

Built pyramids

Sacrificed humans

Wiped out by Conquistadors with the help of thousands of Indians from tribes they used as slaves to build pyramids and human sacrifices.

No Nobel prize for that.
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We are brilliantly addressing the issues of
Our day.

Importing people who
Hate us. Sending billions in treasure to
People who wish us dead
Spending billions on phony climate change
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Originally Posted By Fugitive:
This. Everybody is AMAZED at Stonehenge and other astronomical observatories but it was CRUCIAL to survival. Knowing when the danger of a killing frost/freeze was past would greatly enhance your chances of not dying of starvation. They simply observed and then created devices/math to help with those calculations. Although the accuracy is amazing.
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Originally Posted By Fugitive:
Originally Posted By StewartTR:
Knowledge of Astronomy is was very beneficial for ancient peoples. It told them when to plant and when to harvest when the winter would come etc.

Many ancient peoples had advanced Astronomical knowledge because they paid a lot of attention.
This. Everybody is AMAZED at Stonehenge and other astronomical observatories but it was CRUCIAL to survival. Knowing when the danger of a killing frost/freeze was past would greatly enhance your chances of not dying of starvation. They simply observed and then created devices/math to help with those calculations. Although the accuracy is amazing.
knowledge of astronomy wasn't crucial to survival as evidenced by the fact the humans appeared on the scene and thrived long before agriculture was developed.... hunting/gathering works just fine

but precise knowledge of astronomy enabled control through religion, which in turn enabled large civilizations to emerge
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No, but they did predict the end of the World in 2012.
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I thought that was just when their calendar ended, and people took it to be the end of the world. I remember seeing that somewhere.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
People all over the world were able to predict eclipses long before Europeans showed up.
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This is true.

In many civilizations the brightest minds were studying the 'heavens' and how they move.  Pretty much every civilization at least studied the sun and yearly patterns (equinox, solstice, etc).  It took a huge amount of processing power to figure out eclipses...but once you did, figuring them going forward was just forward extrapolation.  It isn't a measure of technological greatness to see how far forward you can 'call it'...the measure of greatness is how many years after a civilization witnesses it's third eclipse do they figure out the math
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:


I thought that was just when their calendar ended, and people took it to be the end of the world. I remember seeing that somewhere.
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It was but honestly if they could see the future their calendar would have ended in 1550.
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:


I thought that was just when their calendar ended, and people took it to be the end of the world. I remember seeing that somewhere.
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I know. I laughed at all the idiots getting worked up over it.
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Originally Posted By NoVaGator:


knowledge of astronomy wasn't crucial to survival as evidenced by the fact the humans appeared on the scene and thrived long before agriculture was developed.... hunting/gathering works just fine

but precise knowledge of astronomy enabled control through religion, which in turn enabled large civilizations to emerge
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No, hunter/gatherer didn't work 'just fine'.  It worked...to support a 10 people on the same land that agriculture (which includes knowing when to plant and harvest, sometimes figured out with sun/moon/stars, sometimes figured out by observing behaviors of animals, such as planting when you see the 2nd robin of spring) could feed 100.

If I made a bow and arrow that shot 10 feet, and you made a bow and arrow that shot 100 feet, you think I could get by with saying 'my bow works just fine'?
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Originally Posted By patchouli:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/26070-maya-predicted-1991-solar-eclipse.html
Pretty crazy. We think we're so smart. But the oldies knew some shit too.
I took an astronomy class in college that was heavy on math and I don't think I'd be able to figure out when the nest eclipse was without google.
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They invented soccer and the lowrider unicycle... of course, they were smart.



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Originally Posted By akodo:
No, hunter/gatherer didn't work 'just fine'.  It worked...to support a 10 people on the same land that agriculture (which includes knowing when to plant and harvest, sometimes figured out with sun/moon/stars, sometimes figured out by observing behaviors of animals, such as planting when you see the 2nd robin of spring) could feed 100.

If I made a bow and arrow that shot 10 feet, and you made a bow and arrow that shot 100 feet, you think I could get by with saying 'my bow works just fine'?
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Originally Posted By NoVaGator:


knowledge of astronomy wasn't crucial to survival as evidenced by the fact the humans appeared on the scene and thrived long before agriculture was developed.... hunting/gathering works just fine

but precise knowledge of astronomy enabled control through religion, which in turn enabled large civilizations to emerge
No, hunter/gatherer didn't work 'just fine'.  It worked...to support a 10 people on the same land that agriculture (which includes knowing when to plant and harvest, sometimes figured out with sun/moon/stars, sometimes figured out by observing behaviors of animals, such as planting when you see the 2nd robin of spring) could feed 100.

If I made a bow and arrow that shot 10 feet, and you made a bow and arrow that shot 100 feet, you think I could get by with saying 'my bow works just fine'?
the 10 foot bow works "just fine" because that person is still alive and passing along their genetic material

geometric population growth is happening either way
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
I thought that was just when their calendar ended, and people took it to be the end of the world. I remember seeing that somewhere.
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
Originally Posted By Fugitive:

No, but they did predict the end of the World in 2012.
I thought that was just when their calendar ended, and people took it to be the end of the world. I remember seeing that somewhere.
you know what would be REALLY impressive?

A Mayan calendar that went out to infinity.
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:



We are brilliantly addressing the issues of
Our day.

Importing people who
Hate us. Sending billions in treasure to
People who wish us dead
Spending billions on phony climate change
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This!

Anyone who thinks that modern day SJW/climate-changed/welfare-recipient/abortion-birth-control/etc America is somehow vastly superior to other historic cultures is smoking too much peyote. Yeah, we've done some amazing things. And yet, we're still being overrun by dumbasses... from the lowest of the street urchins to the highest congressional offices. Look at the supposedly "intelligent" founders of Google and other tech giants... they're friggin 'tarded at life.
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Originally Posted By akodo:
This is true.

In many civilizations the brightest minds were studying the 'heavens' and how they move.  Pretty much every civilization at least studied the sun and yearly patterns (equinox, solstice, etc).  It took a huge amount of processing power to figure out eclipses...but once you did, figuring them going forward was just forward extrapolation.  It isn't a measure of technological greatness to see how far forward you can 'call it'...the measure of greatness is how many years after a civilization witnesses it's third eclipse do they figure out the math
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Did civilizations on all continents figure it out?
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