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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:33:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 7:34:02 AM EST by Old_Painless]
Went to the range this morning with Tman and we shot some rifles.

I was shooting my Accuracy International AE:



Here's some groups:



These are not "best" groups. They are just four that I shot today. The rifle will do even better if I hold better.

An accurate rifle is a pleasure to shoot.

Col. Townsend Whelen was right: "Only accurate rifles are interesting."
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:35:11 AM EST
Distance and firing position?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:36:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:
Distance and firing position?



100 yards, hunkered down on a bench.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:38:10 AM EST
Good groups, maybe just a little sight correction, and even ants will be living in fear at a 100 yards!
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:39:39 AM EST
Hi painless, hows retirement treating you?? looks like it will be the 1st part of oct. before i get home {work} you going to gunstock?? W.B.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:40:43 AM EST
Nice rifle, .308 ?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:59:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:
Good groups, maybe just a little sight correction, and even ants will be living in fear at a 100 yards!



Thanks.

I have it shooting 1 1/4 inch high on purpose. If I had it sighted "dead-on", then after my first shot, my aiming point would be gone.

Once I was shooting with my buddy brianksain and a lizard decided to walk across the target while we were shooting.

Brian made his usual head shot at 100 yards.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:00:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigthicket:
Hi painless, hows retirement treating you?? looks like it will be the 1st part of oct. before i get home {work} you going to gunstock?? W.B.



Man it's great!!

Six Saturdays and a Sunday. How you gonna beat it?

Won't make it to Gunstock this year.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:03:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By mac130:
Good groups, maybe just a little sight correction, and even ants will be living in fear at a 100 yards!



Thanks.

I have it shooting 1 1/4 inch high on purpose. If I had it sighted "dead-on", then after my first shot, my aiming point would be gone.

Once I was shooting with my buddy brianksain and a lizard decided to walk across the target while we were shooting.

Brian made his usual head shot at 100 yards.



A head shot on a lizard at 100 yards is damn impressive.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:03:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:
Nice rifle, .308 ?



Yessir.

I may be mistaken, but I believe that AEs are made in .308 only.

AI makes ARs (Artic Rifles) in other calibers.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:05:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:

A head shot on a lizard at 100 yards is damn impressive.



Yes it is.

But, as you can see from the groups, not totally unexpected.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:12:12 AM EST
Great placement Old Pain

looks like your zero is 200 yard, are you using handload
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:17:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

I have it shooting 1 1/4 inch high on purpose. If I had it sighted "dead-on", then after my first shot, my aiming point would be gone.

.




Dude, you missed the "x"

My .308's are all about 2" high at 100, cuz I have them sighted for 200 yards.

Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:20:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By V-Rod:
Great placement Old Pain

looks like your zero is 200 yard, are you using handload



As stated above, I am shooting high just to preserve my shooting point-of-aim. I can dial the come-down to zero in just a couple of seconds, if needed.

I shoot handloads. They are in Federal Match brass, Federal Gold Medal Match primers, 168 gr. Sierra Moly-coated bullets (#2200M), and 44.5 grains of AA-2495. (Safe in my rifle, work up slowly.)

Never had a better load.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:24:24 AM EST
Painless, i used to shoot at your club with my dad in the early 60,s. shot an 03-a3 the 1st. time there, could barely hold the rifle up. i put my left elbow on my hip& and some guy came over&asked if that was that "new" stance he had read about. later.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 8:36:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigthicket:
Painless, i used to shoot at your club with my dad in the early 60,s. shot an 03-a3 the 1st. time there, could barely hold the rifle up. i put my left elbow on my hip& and some guy came over&asked if that was that "new" stance he had read about. later.



It's still a great range. Dues are going up to $50 per year, but you can go every day if you like.

Self supervised, all NRA members. Of course you know this, but for others, we have a 50 yard pistol range, a 100 & 200 yard rifle range, a 600 yard range, a 200 yard silouette range, a shotgun range, and a 50 yard action shooting range.

And it's 15 minutes from my driveway. Ain't life great?!
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 9:09:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

I have it shooting 1 1/4 inch high on purpose. If I had it sighted "dead-on", then after my first shot, my aiming point would be gone.

.




Dude, you missed the "x"

My .308's are all about 2" high at 100, cuz I have them sighted for 200 yards.




Yep, a good rule of thumb is, "2-0-8 for a .308". Two inches high at 100, on at 200, 8 inches low at 300.

But, for most people, they are like my granddaughter. She looks at my groups and says, "Pawpaw, you missed."
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:31:55 PM EST
One bump for the evening crew.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:34:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:

A head shot on a lizard at 100 yards is damn impressive.



It was actually a giant iguana.



Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:37:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By V-Rod:
Great placement Old Pain

looks like your zero is 200 yard, are you using handload



As stated above, I am shooting high just to preserve my shooting point-of-aim. I can dial the come-down to zero in just a couple of seconds, if needed.

I shoot handloads. They are in Federal Match brass, Federal Gold Medal Match primers, 168 gr. Sierra Moly-coated bullets (#2200M), and 44.5 grains of AA-2495. (Safe in my rifle, work up slowly.)

Never had a better load.



Try it with Norma brass. I made the switch a long time ago and have not gone back.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:37:49 PM EST
Nice rifle and very nice groups. That's much better than I could do, I shake too bad.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:38:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By pazzo:

Try it with Norma brass. I made the switch a long time ago and have not gone back.



My bud brianksain gives me once-fired Federal Match from SWAT practice. Kinda hard not to go with free brass.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:47:16 PM EST
That is an amazingly SEXY rifle...

with equally sexy results, i might add!


Excellent!


- BG
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:50:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
That is an amazingly SEXY rifle...

with equally sexy results, i might add!


Excellent!


- BG



Thanks. I know what you mean.

It is as stout as you can imagine.

My friend was at a demonstartion where they were demonstrating AI rifles. The instructor held it by the barrel and threw the butt on the concrete hard, making the rifle bounce a foot or so in the air. He caught it by the barrel and did it again and again.

He then laid down and shot a one-hole group.

He continued the lecture, doing the same thing several times. The point of impact never changed and the groups never opened up.

It's a fine weapon.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 12:55:25 PM EST
Sweet rifle, and nice shooting!

I was at the range today shooting my pet handload and fired ten shots into a ragged hole, dead on the bulls. All inside a one inch ten ring. I won't mention what brand of rifle! I will probably post a range report a little later.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 1:15:22 PM EST
Damn, it's been over a month since I shot my PSS.

I need to get it out more.

Nice set-up OldPainless.

How's that Federal brass work for you? I've heard that it's a little weak and prone to separation.

I use winchester brass and get 7-8 loadings neck sizing before I have to trim it and FL size and at least another 6-7 before I toss it.

I use 44 grains of Varget pushing a 175 SMK--no moly. My groups are like yours if I do my part ;)

Link Posted: 9/14/2004 1:42:19 PM EST
What's the scope you've got on there? I'm gathering some input for a project of mine, now that the blessed expiration has come to pass. :)


Link Posted: 9/14/2004 2:48:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By magnum_99:

How's that Federal brass work for you? I've heard that it's a little weak and prone to separation.

I use winchester brass and get 7-8 loadings neck sizing before I have to trim it and FL size and at least another 6-7 before I toss it.



If it is weak, I haven't noticed any problem. But then again, I don't need to make it last too long as I have a supply of new brass. And, like you, I neck size only.


I use 44 grains of Varget pushing a 175 SMK--no moly. My groups are like yours if I do my part ;)




I tried some Varget and it is indeed a good load. It is second only to the AA-2495 that I use in my gun.

But, as I'm sure you know, Varget may work best in another rifle. That's what makes this sport interesting.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 2:55:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Horseman:
What's the scope you've got on there? I'm gathering some input for a project of mine, now that the blessed expiration has come to pass. :)





The scope is a Leupold 8.5 X 25 X 40mm, with tack knobs. It is a fine piece of equipment.

Experience has taught me that money spent for a fine scope is money well spent.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 3:21:51 PM EST
Old_Painless, nice AI!. i have been looking at them for quite a while and just dream of the day when i might be blessed enough to have one grace my 'toy box'. everything in time.
be well
maxwell
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 3:33:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By Maxwell:
Old_Painless, nice AI!. i have been looking at them for quite a while and just dream of the day when i might be blessed enough to have one grace my 'toy box'. everything in time.
be well
maxwell



Don't wait too long, my friend.

The price is steadly going up. I think that they are around $2,500 for an AE now. AI only makes about 1,000 rifles a year and many are going into the sandbox with British snipers.

They are well worth the price, IMHO.
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