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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:48:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/4/2005 8:48:25 PM EDT by Troy]
Do to the patriot act, is it against the law to stockpile ammunition? Is the maximum amount of ammo aloud by law 500 rounds or less?

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:22:07 PM EDT
No.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:25:00 PM EDT
500 measly rounds, BwaaaHaaaHaaa!!!!!! Seriously, no fed law on ammo amount. Heck thats only one brick of .22s, I'll go thru that in a week or less sometimes.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:27:21 PM EDT
No limit on ammo. 500 rds in one day at the range.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:27:40 PM EDT
Ive shot that much in a day...
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:28:32 PM EDT
no

500rnds / 2-3 weeks
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:30:32 PM EDT
thanks guys
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:35:05 PM EDT
I hope not.

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:39:40 PM EDT
There most certainly is a law. Only 3000 rounds. You must send me the other 3000 rds of you're Q3131A RIGHT NOW!!!
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:44:08 PM EDT
Even if there was - who among us would obey, much less care?
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:50:46 PM EDT
I sure hope not because I have seen pictures on this website with way over 500 rounds in them.....
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 5:58:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 6:04:20 PM EDT
Heck, I've shot more than 1000 rounds in one day. The 5 other friends who went to the same class shot that as well. I reloaded most of them myself before we went.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:40:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I've probably lost more than 500 rounds btw the couch cushions, rolling around on the floor of the car etc





Yea, don't ya hate when that happens. Even worse when the wife finds them.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 7:58:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By woodenword:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I've probably lost more than 500 rounds btw the couch cushions, rolling around on the floor of the car etc





Yea, don't ya hate when that happens. Even worse when the wife finds them.


Not to mention that they beat the shit out of the vacuum cleaner when you suck them up
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:01:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hylton:
Do to the patriot act, is it against the law to stockpile ammunition? Is the maximum amount of ammo aloud by law 500 rounds or less?




Huh?
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:05:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 8:06:18 PM EDT by _DR]
OH SURE, It's always funny, until you have to call the foundation repair company
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:33:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
I hope not.

tradecraft.us/Images/Q3131A.jpg




WTF. Did you get all that ammo at once from the same place, or did you just stockpile it over time?
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:56:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Acer0158:

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
I hope not.

tradecraft.us/Images/Q3131A.jpg




WTF. Did you get all that ammo at once from the same place, or did you just stockpile it over time?




ATF agent?
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:57:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
I hope not.

tradecraft.us/Images/Q3131A.jpg




You need more than that
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 9:16:13 PM EDT
The only restriction I'm aware of in the US, in Portland, Oregon, a permit is required to possess 10,000 or more rounds:

31.70.020 Permits Required; Exemptions.

(Amended by Ordinance No. 175646, effective July 1, 2001.)

A. The provisions of this Section shall be in addition to the permit requirements of Chapter 31.40.

B. Permits are required for the following activities:

1. Public fireworks display (see Portland City Code 31.70.060 D.)

2. Retail Sales of fireworks (see Portland City Code 31.70.060 G.)

3. Blasting (see Portland City Code 31.70.090 C.)

4. Explosive Transportation and temporary storage (see Portland City Code 31.70.090 O.).

C. Small arms ammunition in quantities of less than 10,000 rounds are exempt from permit requirements of Section 31.70.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 9:18:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brillo:
The only restriction I'm aware of in the US, in Portland, Oregon, a permit is required to possess 10,000 or more rounds:

31.70.020 Permits Required; Exemptions.

(Amended by Ordinance No. 175646, effective July 1, 2001.)

A. The provisions of this Section shall be in addition to the permit requirements of Chapter 31.40.

B. Permits are required for the following activities:

1. Public fireworks display (see Portland City Code 31.70.060 D.)

2. Retail Sales of fireworks (see Portland City Code 31.70.060 G.)

3. Blasting (see Portland City Code 31.70.090 C.)

4. Explosive Transportation and temporary storage (see Portland City Code 31.70.090 O.).

C. Small arms ammunition in quantities of less than 10,000 rounds are exempt from permit requirements of Section 31.70.



So if you have 10 different caliber firearms, you can only have 1K rounds of each? So much for freedom. What a bunch of crap.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 9:57:34 PM EDT
I think you forgot to look at 31.70.050:


31.70.050 Where Storage of Ammunition Not Permitted. - Printable Version

No permit for the storage and sale of ammunition in excess of 10,000 small arms cartridges shall be issued for any premises as follows:

A. Buildings which are occupied in any part as hotels, apartments, dwellings, schools, places of public amusement or assembly, excepting armories of the State and United States militia;

B. Buildings or places where the storage of ammunition together with materials being manufactured, stored or kept for sale would, in the opinion of the Fire Marshal, result in an unsafe condition.



It appears that you need a permit to store and posses more than 10k rounds of ammo if you hold it FOR SALE - i.e. inventory. I don't read this as a restriction on your own personal stash at home.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 11:46:26 PM EDT
I'm in violation of Portland Law!

Take about 5G of .223/5.56, aproximately 3G of 7.62 ammo, and somewhere between 3G and 4G of 9mm Luger ammo, plus 200 or so rounds of .380 ACP, I'm a bad boy!
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 5:20:08 PM EDT
No 500 rnds is the minimum amount of rounds you're allowed.
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 5:54:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brillo:
The only restriction I'm aware of in the US, in Portland, Oregon, a permit is required to possess 10,000 or more rounds:

31.70.020 Permits Required; Exemptions.

(Amended by Ordinance No. 175646, effective July 1, 2001.)

A. The provisions of this Section shall be in addition to the permit requirements of Chapter 31.40.

B. Permits are required for the following activities:

1. Public fireworks display (see Portland City Code 31.70.060 D.)

2. Retail Sales of fireworks (see Portland City Code 31.70.060 G.)

3. Blasting (see Portland City Code 31.70.090 C.)

4. Explosive Transportation and temporary storage (see Portland City Code 31.70.090 O.).

C. Small arms ammunition in quantities of less than 10,000 rounds are exempt from permit requirements of Section 31.70.



This ordinance sounds like it only applies to businesses. Private residences are exempt from most of the BS buisnesses have to put up with.
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 5:55:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ak47man90:
No 500 rnds is the minimum amount of rounds you're allowed.



Shit, that's just a brick of 22 RF!

You need to up that, sir.
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 11:31:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2005 1:07:05 PM EDT by brillo]

Originally Posted By tax_monster:
I think you forgot to look at 31.70.050:


31.70.050 Where Storage of Ammunition Not Permitted. - Printable Version

No permit for the storage and sale of ammunition in excess of 10,000 small arms cartridges shall be issued for any premises as follows:

A. Buildings which are occupied in any part as hotels, apartments, dwellings, schools, places of public amusement or assembly, excepting armories of the State and United States militia;

B. Buildings or places where the storage of ammunition together with materials being manufactured, stored or kept for sale would, in the opinion of the Fire Marshal, result in an unsafe condition.



It appears that you need a permit to store and posses more than 10k rounds of ammo if you hold it FOR SALE - i.e. inventory. I don't read this as a restriction on your own personal stash at home.



To parse the code:

Where Storage of Ammunition Not Permitted.

"No permit . . . shall be issued for . . . buildings which are occupied . . . as . . . dwellings. . ."


Not to be read as "No permit is required for bulidings which are occupied as dwellings." But does the "storage and sale of ammunition" mean "the storage . . . of ammunition" and "the sale . . . of ammunition" or "the storage and/or sale of ammunition"?
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 1:04:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/5/2005 1:08:17 PM EDT by RenegadeX]
I hope not.




Originally Posted By Acer0158:
WTF. Did you get all that ammo at once from the same place, or did you just stockpile it over time?



No, that is what is left from the 12000 rounds I bought at the last Bass Pro Sale ($2.44/20) last August. So in the last year I have fired about 6000 Q3131A rounds, and about 4000 Wolf Rounds, and maybe another 1000 M855 and M196. My M16 is very hungry.
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 6:17:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By brillo:
The only restriction I'm aware of in the US, in Portland, Oregon, a permit is required to possess 10,000 or more rounds ...



Don't forget Massachusetts. You need a permit from the fire dept. for more than 10K rounds.

527 CMR 13.04: Licenses, Registrations, Permits and Certificates

(1) Exemption: License, Registration, or Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 § 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, Registration, and Permit and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure:

(a) Small Arms Ammunition

1. Not more than 10,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.

2. Not more than 10,000 rounds of center fire ammunition.

3. Not more than 5,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition.

(b) Small Arms Ammunition Primers

1. Not more than 1,000 caps or other small arms primers.

(c) Smokeless Propellants

1. Not more than 16 pounds.

2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.

3. Not more than two pounds of such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.

(d) Black Powder

1. Not more than two pounds.

2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.

(e) Exempt quantities of small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use.

(f) Special industrial explosive devices when in quantities of less than 50 pounds net weight of explosives.

(2) Storage By Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 § 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, and Registration, and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure provided a permit has been obtained from the head of the local fire department;

(a) Small Arms Ammunition: Private Use. Small arms ammunition in amounts over that specified in 527 CMR 13.04(1), that do not exceed 100,000 total rounds at any one time, may be kept for private use provided none of the individual limitations listed below are exceeded.

1. 10,001 to 30,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.

2. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of center fire ammunition not to include shotgun ammunition.

3. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition not to include center fire ammunition.

(b) Small Arms Ammunition: Commercial Use. Not to exceed 200,000 rounds in any combination.

(c) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Private Use

Not to exceed 10,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.

(d) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Commercial Use

Not to exceed 100,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.

(e) Smokeless Propellants: Private Use

1. Not to exceed 48 pounds Smokeless Propellants.

2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.

3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of smokeless propellants stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.

(f) Smokeless Propellants: Commercial Use

Not to exceed 100 pounds smokeless propellant.

(g) Black Powder: Private Use

1. Not to exceed five pounds of black powder.

2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.

3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of black powder stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such black powder shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
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