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Posted: 11/1/2009 3:52:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 3:52:57 PM EST by Zhukov]
I'm new to the AR and loving it. I was just curios about where ammo prices were before they spiked.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 2:59:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 2:59:56 PM EST by Breaker83]
About 5 years ago:
Wolf 5.56,laqure (fired great),1000 rds+t-shirt.........$99.00.

NOW...

Wolf 5.56,Poly,(fires 30,jams)1000 rds...............................$275 and you give THEM your t-shirt.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:08:49 PM EST





ar-jedi
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:14:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 3:21:05 PM EST by Alacrity]
2000-2001 Think the best deal was $300ish for 2700 round tubs of South African M193...shipped







South African PMP .223
Why buy steel cased Russian Now? 1980's Non Corrosive, made by PMP of South Africa, 55grn, FMJ, Brass cased, Berdan primed. Packaged in sealed 300rd Battle Packs. Can get as cheap as $0.11 a round!!


Hirtenberger 7.62X51





Used to scratch my head at a friend who had pallets of 8mm - he's quintupling his money - at least....if he'd sell any now
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:19:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Alacrity:
2000-2001 Think the best deal was $300ish for 2700 round tubs of South African M193...shipped

http://web.archive.org/web/20010615132832/http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/223_SA.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20010611210827/http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Top.jpg



South African PMP .223
Why buy steel cased Russian Now? 1980's Non Corrosive, made by PMP of South Africa, 55grn, FMJ, Brass cased, Berdan primed. Packaged in sealed 300rd Battle Packs. Can get as cheap as $0.11 a round!!


Hirtenberger 7.62X51

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210143323/http://web.archive.org/web/20030210143323/http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/_308COVER.gif



Those both make me want to stab myself in the face.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:23:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By Alacrity:
Think the best deal was $300ish for 2700 round tubs of South African M193...shipped

http://web.archive.org/web/20010615132832/http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/223_SA.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20010611210827/http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Top.jpg



South African PMP .223
Why buy steel cased Russian Now? 1980's Non Corrosive, made by PMP of South Africa, 55grn, FMJ, Brass cased, Berdan primed. Packaged in sealed 300rd Battle Packs. Can get as cheap as $0.11 a round!!


Hirtenberger 7.62X51

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210143323/http://web.archive.org/web/20030210143323/http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/_308COVER.gif



The first batch of South African 5.56 I bought was 9.5 cents a round. I didn't have to pay shipping, but I did pay sales tax on top of that. (circa late 1998)

When we did a local group buy on the Hirtenberger .308, I immediately thought "this is too good to be true", and bought more the next week. (circa late 1999)

Hindsight is 20/20, and knowing then what I know now, I would have put all the money I spent on new guns into more ammunition. I wish I'd filled my garage with that Hirtenberger 7.62x51 and South African 5.56.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:36:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 3:40:20 PM EST by Alacrity]
Carshooter:

Sometime around then 4 of us split a pallet of PMP Tubs - I cant recall the price I thought it was around $280 a tub. So that would make sense, tho I'd need to find the invoice.

I ordered it, put it on my Visa- and 2 of the guys backed out, 1 flaked (I didn't know him well), the other got canned and had to shore up his finances (tough time for poor saving Pharm Reps). Luckily, I thought at the time, the fourth guy agreed to split the order. So I ended up with twice what I wanted - or so I thought.

Few years back Mr. Flaker got a hold of me and asked if I had any left - he was incensed when I told him 50 cent per round. Hell I had to cover storage, inflation and retroactive hernia surgery from 4 or 5 moves.

IIRC at one time you could buy Mk 262 from Fulton Armory for less than XM193 now - cant find my receipts, but pretty sure thats right, or least close. I dont even want to think about the .50 cal.deal
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:56:50 PM EST
I've got a brick of Winchester Wildcat .22 here somewhere I paid $18.xx for in 2001 because the other place to get it that weekend cost more in diesel to get to than I'd save.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:58:11 PM EST
October 1999 Shotgun News add...



Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:00:22 PM EST



WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY must you remind me of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:04:51 PM EST
Big 5 has RWS 9mm 124grain FMJ for $19.99 for 50 rd.

Anyone know much about RWS (airgun stuff from my recollection)?
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:05:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Alacrity:
Carshooter:

Sometime around then 4 of us split a pallet of PMP Tubs - I cant recall the price I thought it was around $280 a tub. So that would make sense, tho I'd need to find the invoice.

I ordered it, put it on my Visa- and 2 of the guys backed out, 1 flaked (I didn't know him well), the other got canned and had to shore up his finances (tough time for poor saving Pharm Reps). Luckily, I thought at the time, the fourth guy agreed to split the order. So I ended up with twice what I wanted - or so I thought.

Few years back Mr. Flaker got a hold of me and asked if I had any left - he was incensed when I told him 50 cent per round. Hell I had to cover storage, inflation and retroactive hernia surgery from 4 or 5 moves.

IIRC at one time you could buy Mk 262 from Fulton Armory for less than XM193 now - cant find my receipts, but pretty sure thats right, or least close. I dont even want to think about the .50 cal.deal


I'm afraid we really did live through the glory days of cheap ammo pricing.

I hate to even think about all the cases of 9mm CCI Blazer I shot for $3.99/ box in the late 90's. It was so cheap, it wasn't worth the time to reload it.

Wolf 7.62x39 was around $79/ K, and the .223 was around $90/K FTF at Knob Creek. At the time, I had no interest in steel cased .223, with the prices of South African. Winchester Q3131A or Federal XM193 were approximately $179/K all day long locally, and even by the box it was only $3.99/20.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:07:40 PM EST
I think I'm gonna be sick
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:08:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By carshooter:
I hate to even think about all the cases of 9mm CCI Blazer I shot for $3.99/ box in the late 90's. It was so cheap, it wasn't worth the time to reload it.


Just for comparisons sake, I just reloaded 4,000 rounds of 115 grain 9mm FMJ. With free range pick up brass, it still cost around $5/ 50 at current component prices.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:08:58 PM EST
I remember buying tons of 308 @ 90-110 K. Shot a ton and stored even more. I knew it would never get any cheaper. I wish I would have seen the future on 223. I have 91 rounds
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:10:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 4:14:23 PM EST by CWO]
I was paying $144.00 per thousand rounds of Winchester Q3131A .223 at Bass Pro Shops. I took liberal advantage of those sales. I still have stacks of it.

I still have cheap South African battlepacks too.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:11:43 PM EST


I didn't get near enough at that price, though I did get some.
When the prices started to spike, it all got put away for a "rainy" day.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:12:27 PM EST
When/if the wars end, there will be an ammo glut and those prices will be back.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:19:20 PM EST
I distinctly remember ordering 1000rds of XM193 - any time I wanted - for $175 delivered to my doorstep. No backorder, no hunting around for a good deal, no bullshit. All day long, for $175 or less. It was like this for something like two years.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:24:40 PM EST
2006 WOLF 7.62x39 FROM SPORTSMANS GUIDE FOR 89$ PER 1k SHIPPED
this was with free shipping when renewing membership.

i should have bought pallets of it!
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:25:27 PM EST
God, I hope you're right.

I hate to put on the tin foil hat, but clearly the government is purchasing the majority of the ammo right now. When the distributors I deal with hardly get any ammo at all anymore, it's getting intercepted somewhere. The only party big enough to do that is the .gov.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:26:12 PM EST
I remember getting 7.62x39 for $79 a case and SKSs were $79 too
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:31:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mateba:
When/if the wars end, there will be an ammo glut and those prices will be back.


One can only hope...........

However, I was the buyer for a major high volume shooting range in the late 90's, and I know for a fact that US ammo manufacturers weren't making a profit on most of their "loss leader" promotional lines of ammunition. They all complained about the competition from cheap foreign ammunition driving the prices down.

Unfortunately, it's a whole different world now for multiple reasons. Metals (raw materials) are much higher now, Labor is higher now (inflation), and every other cost of doing business. The dollar is dramatically weaker on the foreign market.

Until Russian companies are willing to sell us newly manufactured .223 for less than $100 a case, (which is doubtful) we won't see those prices again.

Lest we forget, the whole South African ammunition scandal was right out of "Lord of War". (Bribery and sold at scrap metal prices and it made it to the US intact)
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:40:55 PM EST
I took my daughter out to the range for the first time this spring, She ran over 800 rds through my 10/22 that day. She slowed down the next 2 times getting her accuracy going

I went to replace the ammo a few weeks later and holy crap!!!!!! I used to spend $3-4 on mini mags and $5 on bulk thunderbolts.
The old man pissed himself when I told him i spent $180 on a crate of 7.62 last year
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:47:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By 2001WS6:
October 1999 Shotgun News add...

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu50/2001ws6/ammo.jpg

Ya know, considering inflation, etc, it's not like they were giving it away back then, either.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:47:44 PM EST
Wolf 762x39 was $70/K
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:49:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 4:54:45 PM EST by SinCity2A]
Originally Posted By Hal143:
I think I'm gonna be sick


Yeah, me too.At least I was smart enough to build up my ammo stockpile before the 2008 election. I saw that price increase coming. I bought M855 before the price literally doubled($400-$800+). Fuck you sportsman's guide and cheaperthangold..I mean dirt.Price gouging fucktards!
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:51:05 PM EST
Natchezss had 1K m855 from LC for 185 shipped.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:52:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:55:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By CWO:
I was paying $144.00 per thousand rounds of Winchester Q3131A .223 at Bass Pro Shops. I took liberal advantage of those sales. I still have stacks of it.

I still have cheap South African battlepacks too.


Really? I lost all mine in a tragic boating accident


Luckily I managed to save a case of Magtech 158 gr wadcutter and a brick of Wildcats for my Model 10 and 10/22
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 5:09:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 5:11:28 PM EST by KwaiChangCaine]
Remember the 40-rnd WWB Value-Packs of 223 for $7.73 not all that long ago? I heard it was going bye-bye and bought out every Wal-Mart around here in two days. Even though I've still have over 2000 of it, I wish I had bought the one box that the last guy dropped that busted open and spilled all over the floor. Those Wal-Mart guys were always dropping the ammo boxes!

I've also got receipts of XM-193 and Q3131 for $189 per 1K from early 2006. ETA: Still have the ammo too!!!
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 5:22:23 PM EST
I can remember back in the early '90's when I bought my first AR, Norinco 55gr FMJ was $2.50 per box. Me and my friends shot a shit ton of that stuff.

LC
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 5:33:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By kaos:
I've got a brick of Winchester Wildcat .22 here somewhere I paid $18.xx for in 2001 because the other place to get it that weekend cost more in diesel to get to than I'd save.


You got raped on that.

I was paying $9.99 a brick for Wildcat and $5.99 for PMC Sidewinder (yeah, it is crap but it went bang).

My best buys were $100/1000 for 7.62X51 Port from Sportsmans Guide and .223 55gr FMJBT for $2.99 a box of 20 from Natchez. I am glad I bought a bunch of both of them.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 6:22:43 PM EST
The reason ammo costs so much is because metal prices are way up. Components cost 2-3x what they used to. I mean maybe $400/1000 for XM193 has a little "fluff" in it, but you won't ever see $150/1000 again unless the US dollar regains some strength.

I remember buying 1000 Winchester .224" 55 grain bullets for $30/1000 all day long in bulk from Midway. Now they cost 3x that. Primers are double what they were 10 years ago (if you can find them). Powder is still close to as cheap as it was, but only if you buy it in bulk and online.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 6:25:28 PM EST
In 2001-2002, The best deal by far was Southern Ammo's Israeli surplus .223, or .308 $100 per 1000, including the 50 cal can it was shipped in.

It was $100 shipped for a while, then they started charging an extra $12 for shipping, the bastards.

Wolf and other Russian ammo was .223 and 5.45 and 9mm was $79-$99 all day long, everywhere. .45 and 308 was not much more.

Walmart WB 9mm was ten cents a round until about two years ago.

We will see those prices again soon, (plus maybe 20% inflation.)

I have given up on expecting people to exercise common sense or self control, but the simple fact is that the real whorders have gotten their fill, and a lot of them are running out of credit.


The Gun Culture is prone to panic and prone to believe in conspiracies and other irrational assumptions. The Ammo industry has exploited it beautifully, but bubbles cannot last forever.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 6:54:06 PM EST


It was I who turned everyone one to that sale, thank you very much.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:04:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By RIPRonReagan:
The reason ammo costs so much is because metal prices are way up. Components cost 2-3x what they used to. I mean maybe $400/1000 for XM193 has a little "fluff" in it, but you won't ever see $150/1000 again unless the US dollar regains some strength.

I remember buying 1000 Winchester .224" 55 grain bullets for $30/1000 all day long in bulk from Midway. Now they cost 3x that. Primers are double what they were 10 years ago (if you can find them). Powder is still close to as cheap as it was, but only if you buy it in bulk and online.




You are quite simply, wrong. The "metals prices" theory has been disproven again, and again, and again.

Look up the actual prices of the raw materials. Then and now.

I never can understand why some people feel the need to rationalize other reasons beyond the obvious: Supply and Demand.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:11:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By KwaiChangCaine:
Remember the 40-rnd WWB Value-Packs of 223 for $7.73 not all that long ago? I heard it was going bye-bye and bought out every Wal-Mart around here in two days. Even though I've still have over 2000 of it, I wish I had bought the one box that the last guy dropped that busted open and spilled all over the floor. Those Wal-Mart guys were always dropping the ammo boxes!

I've also got receipts of XM-193 and Q3131 for $189 per 1K from early 2006. ETA: Still have the ammo too!!!


As I recall those value packs were 45grn which is all but worthless to most AR shooters.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:11:43 PM EST
Youse guys are going to drive yourselves crazy with this!
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:14:44 PM EST
When ammo was cheap, I was in high school and shot as much as I could afford, but I was broke.

Now that I could afford to do some shooting at the old prices....I cant afford it now either.

(I do remember buying cases of Wolf x39 for like $80 and cases of .223 for $100)
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:17:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By RIPRonReagan:
The reason ammo costs so much is because metal prices are way up. Components cost 2-3x what they used to. I mean maybe $400/1000 for XM193 has a little "fluff" in it, but you won't ever see $150/1000 again unless the US dollar regains some strength.

I remember buying 1000 Winchester .224" 55 grain bullets for $30/1000 all day long in bulk from Midway. Now they cost 3x that. Primers are double what they were 10 years ago (if you can find them). Powder is still close to as cheap as it was, but only if you buy it in bulk and online.




You are quite simply, wrong. The "metals prices" theory has been disproven again, and again, and again.

Look up the actual prices of the raw materials. Then and now.

I never can understand why some people feel the need to rationalize other reasons beyond the obvious: Supply and Demand.


I'm not seeing any supply problems. I can walk into any Cabellas, Gander Mountian or Farm and Home and buy as much .223 as I want off the shelf. Prices are still rediculous however.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:33:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 7:35:48 PM EST by vanilla_gorilla]
From AIMSurplus

02/09/05

30.06 400rd Can PS Mil. Surp 75.00

Now I'm depressed.

Edit: Shit, this receipt is even worse.

5 x 308 Indep Port. 200rd Battle Pack 31.90 Each.


Link Posted: 11/1/2009 9:41:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By RIPRonReagan:
The reason ammo costs so much is because metal prices are way up. Components cost 2-3x what they used to. I mean maybe $400/1000 for XM193 has a little "fluff" in it, but you won't ever see $150/1000 again unless the US dollar regains some strength.

I remember buying 1000 Winchester .224" 55 grain bullets for $30/1000 all day long in bulk from Midway. Now they cost 3x that. Primers are double what they were 10 years ago (if you can find them). Powder is still close to as cheap as it was, but only if you buy it in bulk and online.




You are quite simply, wrong. The "metals prices" theory has been disproven again, and again, and again.

Look up the actual prices of the raw materials. Then and now.

I never can understand why some people feel the need to rationalize other reasons beyond the obvious: Supply and Demand.


So you think ammo should be as cheap as it was in 2000 because supply is up and demand is down?

Ammo is nothing more than a brass case, a primer, some powder, and a bullet.

If every single component costs more to make/produce, then ammo is going to cost more.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 9:49:37 PM EST
I remember when CCI Mini-mags were $1.19/100rd box.
Boy, those days are long gone.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 11:26:24 PM EST
A few years ago I clean out Dicks Sporting goods of Remington Thunderbolt @ 5.99/brick
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 12:57:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 12:59:00 PM EST by KwaiChangCaine]

Originally Posted By glockfan45:
Originally Posted By KwaiChangCaine:
Remember the 40-rnd WWB Value-Packs of 223 for $7.73 not all that long ago? I heard it was going bye-bye and bought out every Wal-Mart around here in two days. Even though I've still have over 2000 of it, I wish I had bought the one box that the last guy dropped that busted open and spilled all over the floor. Those Wal-Mart guys were always dropping the ammo boxes!

I've also got receipts of XM-193 and Q3131 for $189 per 1K from early 2006. ETA: Still have the ammo too!!!


As I recall those value packs were 45grn which is all but worthless to most AR shooters.
I'm talking about the Win 55 gr that was so popular in the Arfcom Ammo Forum back them. I know Wal-Mart carried the Federal 50 gr JHP 200-rnd packs for a while after the 40-rnd WWB ran dry, and I'm guessing many other types over the years too.



Link Posted: 11/2/2009 1:05:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 1:07:28 PM EST by blacksunshinez51]
$100 for Winchester .223 55g in 99

ETA: at a fun show no less

ETAA: $75 for 1000 rnds of 7.62x39 in 93
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 1:10:00 PM EST
Don't feel to bad. Prices were real high before FOPA ('86).
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 1:14:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 1:16:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By Alacrity:
2000-2001 Think the best deal was $300ish for 2700 round tubs of South African M193...shipped

http://web.archive.org/web/20010615132832/http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/223_SA.jpg

http://web.archive.org/web/20010611210827/http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Top.jpg



South African PMP .223
Why buy steel cased Russian Now? 1980's Non Corrosive, made by PMP of South Africa, 55grn, FMJ, Brass cased, Berdan primed. Packaged in sealed 300rd Battle Packs. Can get as cheap as $0.11 a round!!


Hirtenberger 7.62X51

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210143323/http://web.archive.org/web/20030210143323/http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/_308COVER.gif



Used to scratch my head at a friend who had pallets of 8mm - he's quintupling his money - at least....if he'd sell any now


I'm still shooting SA M1A3 i bought at 12 cents a round delivered. Great ammo. The brown plastic ammo "cans" are great for organizing my garage too.

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