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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:11:50 PM EDT
Is there enough ammo in gun owners possession to defend the constitution as the founding fathers intended? If only they had mentioned bearing surface to air missiles to keep the fuhrer from droning out the rights of a free state.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:13:41 PM EDT
Depends on who planned ahead and who didn't.


Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:17:14 PM EDT
We will run out of ammo quickly and then we will have to fight with swords and black powder rifles. Militias have some ammo horded but it may be tough to get too.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:17:24 PM EDT
That's not my point. We will have to be as one.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:18:42 PM EDT
I'll be dead before I run out of ammo and I don't have that much.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:19:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 5:20:10 PM EDT by Donkeyslayer]
Fat chance I know. of working together.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:19:16 PM EDT
A well diversed collection of arms is fully capable of a enemy funded resupply.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:19:18 PM EDT
Either we will take ammo from those we defeat, or we will be defeated ourselves very quickly. Guerrilla fighters rely heavily on capturing enemy equipment/arms/supply.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:19:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
Is there enough ammo in gun owners possession to defend the constitution as the founding fathers intended? If only they had mentioned bearing surface to air missiles to keep the fuhrer from droning out the rights of a free state.


Really; think about it for a second: If the people decide to unite, the government would be fundamentally changed overnight with very few if ANY shots even taken. A couple thousand police and soldiers simply can't kill damn near 200 million people.
The best fight is a bloodless fight. Everyone says "You are fired. Pack your shit and GIT." That's all. Everyone quits doing their daily routine, and the whole train stops. We throw the rifraf off, and the train starts again.

Look to how few died in flipping over Egypt. A country with a lot of land, but most of it is not really usable. The population centers saw full tilt protests, and yes, some violence. But in reality???? That's a pretty bloodless turnover of a country. Was it done right? Did it really meet its' objectives? Maybe not.
But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that if the United States flips on its' head that things will be peachy-keen in 72 hrs. There would be a lot of issues to sort out.
Most of which will simply not require ammo to solve.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:20:31 PM EDT
Lets see, THEY drop their weapons when WE gun em down, then we take their guns and get the edge
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:22:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ABNglocker:
A well diversed diversified collection of arms is fully capable of a enemy funded resupply.


Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:23:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 6:37:34 PM EDT by Donkeyslayer]
I hope the numbers are there that it will take.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:24:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
Is there enough ammo in gun owners possession to defend the constitution as the founding fathers intended? If only they had mentioned bearing surface to air missiles to keep the fuhrer from droning out the rights of a free state.


Really; think about it for a second: If the people decide to unite, the government would be fundamentally changed overnight with very few if ANY shots even taken. A couple thousand police and soldiers simply can't kill damn near 200 million people.
The best fight is a bloodless fight. Everyone says "You are fired. Pack your shit and GIT." That's all. Everyone quits doing their daily routine, and the whole train stops. We throw the rifraf off, and the train starts again.

Look to how few died in flipping over Egypt. A country with a lot of land, but most of it is not really usable. The population centers saw full tilt protests, and yes, some violence. But in reality???? That's a pretty bloodless turnover of a country. Was it done right? Did it really meet its' objectives? Maybe not.
But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that if the United States flips on its' head that things will be peachy-keen in 72 hrs. There would be a lot of issues to sort out.
Most of which will simply not require ammo to solve.




Over the next 4 to 5 years the government will be buying about 1.6 billion bullets roughly 5 for each American.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:27:33 PM EDT
If the SHTF any time more than 10 people get together more than once you will be a terrorist cell.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:41:06 PM EDT
Interesting thread for post #2
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 5:41:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 5:42:35 PM EDT by raresheg]
Imagine 100,000,000 Chris Dorners running around...

ETA: Gosh...what a horrible thought...
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:12:46 PM EDT
Take the ammo off those you defeat, but be careful about easy pickings....
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:16:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
Fat chance I know. of working together.


Like herding cats
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:21:54 PM EDT
I fear we will suffocate before the realization that a clear bag (as seen by the majority)of tyranny is slipped over our heads.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:23:42 PM EDT
we have more in our personal possession than our forefathers, however is it enough?
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:33:04 PM EDT
Sorry, but I doubt no more than maybe one in five hundred would revolt. At least not over gun ownership.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:33:24 PM EDT
How do we voice the truths in a way that Americans will recognize. Freedom is missed most when taken away then it is to late.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:36:59 PM EDT
First we decide to change the world.
Then we tell everyone exactly how we are going to do it
Then they all join in
And then we tell them all exactly how to go about so there will never be injustice ever again.
The World According To Monty Python

Thank me later.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:38:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 6:38:19 PM EDT by Element64]
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
Is there enough ammo in gun owners possession to defend the constitution as the founding fathers intended? If only they had mentioned bearing surface to air missiles to keep the fuhrer from droning out the rights of a free state.


2 posts in 2 years. Wow.

You need to read Sun Tzu. He will tell you how resupply will work.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:40:24 PM EDT
Our government has been a Monty Python show for a while now.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:40:38 PM EDT
I'm sure Ahmed the the Syrian FSA had FALs and AKs in his closet with 10000 rounds. They did not have shit before their war started.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:40:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armalitedave:
We will run out of ammo quickly and then we will have to fight with swords and black powder rifles. Militias have some ammo horded but it may be tough to get too.

DHS and "militias" will be using the same caliber weapons if you get my drift.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:42:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HogJaws:
Originally Posted By armalitedave:
We will run out of ammo quickly and then we will have to fight with swords and black powder rifles. Militias have some ammo horded but it may be tough to get too.

DHS and "militias" will be using the same caliber weapons if you get my drift.


Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:46:10 PM EDT
Some one had a sig line that said "if you don't full auto weapons on the first day of the revolution, you will have them on the second".

Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:48:48 PM EDT
Over the next 4 to 5 years the government will be buying about 1.6 billion bullets roughly 5 for each American.


Well, Okay- you got me. I'll head on over, and turn my shit in tomorrow morning.

You DO realize that in Iraqistan, we expend about 250,000 bullets for EVERY confirmed kill, right?

Yeah, 250,000 per. So think about that for a bit.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:55:23 PM EDT
I don't think we will fight. Laws will pass.Laws will be followed. America falls into place. I really hope this is wrong.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:58:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ranchitecture:
I'm sure Ahmed the the Syrian FSA had FALs and AKs in his closet with 10000 rounds. They did not have shit before their war started.


+1 Our founding fathers designed things so that the next time around we would have the potential to be very well armed. I heard somewhere that about 50% of the full auto weapons in the US belong to the government, the other 50% are privately held. A guy with an AR, some web gear, mags, and say an ammo can full of ammo is pretty well armed compared to a lot of the people fighting wars right now.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 6:59:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Over the next 4 to 5 years the government will be buying about 1.6 billion bullets roughly 5 for each American.


Well, Okay- you got me. I'll head on over, and turn my shit in tomorrow morning.

You DO realize that in Iraqistan, we expend about 250,000 bullets for EVERY confirmed kill, right?

Yeah, 250,000 per. So think about that for a bit.


Well here they just burn them, it saves a lot of ammo. But gas prices go up.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:02:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RocketmanOU:
Interesting thread for post #2


Yet we have this.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:04:05 PM EDT
Yes, BUT....
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:05:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bowbender7:
Originally Posted By RocketmanOU:
Interesting thread for post #2


Yet we have this.


Hmm, I'm with you guys!
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:05:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:08:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RocketmanOU:
Interesting thread for post #2







Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:09:35 PM EDT
Jung what does that mean?
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:09:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By d_rob1031:
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
Fat chance I know. of working together.


Like herding cats


This.

Without any organization and with the hoarding "look out for number 1 and screw the rest" mentality of most preppers, all the government will need are a couple of SWAT teams to go door to door. Everyone will be too busy locked up in their own homes by themselves protecting their personal stash from everyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMNPQ35OUc
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:11:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JUNG1999:
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It is a rough time to be new here. Or be a law abiding citizen who pays taxes. Not to mention being a fucking retard from wherever they come from.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:12:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
Jung what does that mean?


It means that,



you seem.................familiar.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:20:24 PM EDT
I have not been engaged in this sort of tread before. I was just wondering if anyone thought we had the wherewithal and means to stay free.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:26:26 PM EDT
I have enough ammo to get more.
Where did you say that you lived?
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:28:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ShotTherapy_JR:
Lets see, THEY drop their weapons when WE gun em down, then we take their guns and get the edge


and that's how we will get the fun weapons, AT4's, M203's. M240's, M249's, etc.

Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:32:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:36:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Donkeyslayer:
I don't think we will fight. Laws will pass.Laws will be followed. America falls into place. I really hope this is wrong.


Yup. Already well underway.

Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:37:50 PM EDT
make sure if you want a resupply on ammo from fallen enemys that you buy weapons that shoot the same caliber as your enemies....any exotic weapon will serve no purpose in battle because you will likely be out of ammo by day 2....exotic weapons are a waste in shtf
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:40:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 7:42:23 PM EDT by Donkeyslayer]
I oooooooooooooo
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:42:35 PM EDT
You saw the havoc one rouge ex-cop did, he practically shut down the greater L.A. area.

now imagine a few hundred in every state....
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:45:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hey-Mikey:
I'll be dead before I run out of ammo and I don't have that much.




Funny yet not so funny.
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