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Posted: 9/17/2009 4:13:24 PM EST
From 6mm.com

AB 962, a new law restricting ammo sales, was passed by the California Legislature last Friday and sent to Governor Schwarzenegger’s desk. If not vetoed by the Governor, this bill could have a major negative effect on the shooting sports in the Golden State. AB 962, authored by Assemblyman De León (Dem. Los Angeles) was narrowly passed on a strict party line vote, on the last day of the Legislative session.

New Law Targets Pistol Ammo But Would Also Embrace Rifle Ammunition
AB 962 will restrict the sales of pistol ammunition. Unfortunately, the restriction will include common rifle ammo such as .22LR, .22 Magnum, and .223 Rem, because these cartridges are also used in pistols. If codified into law, commencing February 1, 2011, AB 962 would require handgun ammunition vendors to obtain a complete profile on ammo-purchasers including: residential address, phone number, Driver’s License number, birth date, and signature. In addition, ammo buyers must provide a thumbprint when purchasing pistol ammunition. A violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.

In addition, AB 962 could effectively prohibit online or mail-order sales of pistol ammunition to California residents. This is because, according to the Leg. Counsel’s Digest, “delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee. A violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.”

The good news is that AB 962 was amended to eliminate the provision that would criminalize the “sale or transfer” or more than 50 rounds of pistol ammunition per month. Had that clause survived, it would have a chilling effect on all youth training programs because rangemasters, scout leaders, or shooting coaches could be jailed for handing out more than one box of rimfire ammo.

Nonetheless, AB 962 is a terrible piece of legislation. Unless Gov. Schwarzenegger vetoes AB 962, Californians will no longer be able to mail-order most rimfire ammo, all centerfire pistol ammo, and a potentially large selection of rifle ammunition. We can’t tell you exactly what kinds of rifle ammo would be embraced by AB 962, because the bill relies on the vague definitions of CA Penal Code Section 12323(a): “‘Handgun ammunition’ means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person… notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.”

The California Rifle and Pistol Assn. (CRPA) is asking ALL California gun owners to contact Gov. Schwarzenegger immediately and urge him to VETO AB 962. You can send an email via the Governor’s home page at www.gov.ca.gov/interact. (Type your name and email address, select Gun Control under the “Choose Your Subject” menu, hit “Submit” — then write your message.) You can also call or send a fax to the Governor’s office (Phone (916) 445-2841; Fax (916) 558-3160). Gov. Schwarzenegger has until October 11, 2009 to sign, approve without signing, or veto bills passed by the Legislature.


Only in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. You guys in CA have my sympathy.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:15:00 PM EST
He should just get it over with an ban the whole fuckin state....
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:16:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:17:38 PM EST by slanky]
Time for me to open up an ammo business right on the AZ border

Seriously though, that is f'd up. Although I'm not surprised by anything the PRK does anymore.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:18:25 PM EST
The RINOnater will sign it. Chalk up another triumph of stupid to Commifornia.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:19:23 PM EST
Let's hope he vetoes it. If he wants to re-elected he will.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:19:55 PM EST
Get to tha Choppah!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:20:06 PM EST
I think it's time for the revolt. Bunch of homos in Cali.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:20:11 PM EST
Makes me glad I'm about as far away from California as I can be.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:20:36 PM EST
Wow. Just when we start to turn the corner (Heller) in some areas, CA shows us how we can NEVER afford to sit by and take our liberties for granted.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:20:40 PM EST
California is lost. I'm proud of all the conservatives that have stayed to try and make a difference, but at some point you've got to realize a ship is lost, and abandon it.

It's time for all productive, tax-paying conservatives to GTFO of California and let it burn. In a few years, you can go back, bury the bodies, repaint, and make that shithole beautiful again.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:22:21 PM EST
You folks in CA need to go to war. Let's start the resistance movement on the west coast.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:23:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Loki41872:
California is lost. I'm proud of all the conservatives that have stayed to try and make a difference, but at some point you've got to realize a ship is lost, and abandon it.

It's time for all productive, tax-paying conservatives to GTFO of California and let it burn. In a few years, you can go back, bury the bodies, repaint, and make that shithole beautiful again.


I GTFO back in 92, smartest thing I ever did.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:23:51 PM EST
More ammunition for me
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:24:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
Let's hope he vetoes it. If he wants to re-elected he will.


I don't think he can run for reelection.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:25:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By squirrell18:
I think it's time for the revolt. Bunch of homos in Cali.


You are aware you live in New York right?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:25:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
Let's hope he vetoes it. If he wants to re-elected he will.


Signing it will not have any negative impact on his re-election. Not in that state it wont. Besides hes looking at finacial collapse under his watch now. Doubtful even that state would be stupid enough to re-elect him.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:26:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGocka:
Makes me glad I'm about as far away from California as I can be.


Connecticut guns laws that much better?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:26:59 PM EST
what the fuck?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:27:00 PM EST
They cry on TV they are broke then want to do something like this ? You know how much tax revenue is collected on ammo every week ?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:27:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By beltfed74:

Originally Posted By squirrell18:
I think it's time for the revolt. Bunch of homos in Cali.


You are aware you live in New York right?


No shit, pot meet kettle.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:29:51 PM EST
Well I guess I am going to buy as much as I can for now.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH fuuuuuuuuuuuck
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:30:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By glockfan45:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
Makes me glad I'm about as far away from California as I can be.


Connecticut guns laws that much better?

Yup. CT laws aren't all that bad. No collapsible stock, flash hider, or threaded barrel. Other than that they are pretty good. CCW is easy to get. No mag capacity limit. No license to buy ammo. Really not too bad here.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:30:47 PM EST
AB 962, a new law restricting ammo sales, was passed by the California Legislature last Friday and sent to Governor Schwarzenegger’s desk.



Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:31:46 PM EST
theyre robbing peter to pay paul and those dipshits in sack are worried about ammo?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:31:54 PM EST
Yeah! good thing they got this taken care of! it was a much bigger problem then the fact the state can't pay it's bills. Stupid MF'ers
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:35:39 PM EST
You guys laugh but those chamberings on the list, well people in California have money. So the rest of the countrys going to have two more years of bare shelves at WalMart.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:36:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By bm3:
Well I guess I am going to buy as much as I can for now.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH fuuuuuuuuuuuck


Want some good advice? Take your family and flee. Like many former Kalifornians before you. You won't regret it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:36:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By cckw:
Yeah! good thing they got this taken care of! it was a much bigger problem then the fact the state can't pay it's bills. Stupid MF'ers


Never waste a good crisis. They are also good diversions.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:37:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By slanky:
Time for me to open up an ammo business right on the AZ border

Seriously though, that is f'd up. Although I'm not surprised by anything the PRK does anymore.



Put an AIMSURPLUS right in Quartzsite, AZ and they would be rich in a few days...
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:38:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By slanky:
Time for me to open up an ammo business right on the AZ border

Seriously though, that is f'd up. Although I'm not surprised by anything the PRK does anymore.



I know you are jokeing, but the first business on the north side of the Oklahoma/Texas border along I35 is a Casino, the south side, a porn shop.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:40:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:42:20 PM EST by kingoftheroad]
Originally Posted By 10mmPatriot:
Originally Posted By bm3:
Well I guess I am going to buy as much as I can for now.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH fuuuuuuuuuuuck


Want some good advice? Take your family and flee. Like many former Kalifornians before you. You won't regret it.


this, just do it man
you could come to the front lines in wisconsin, and vote the god vote here, where we need to out number the libs.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:41:19 PM EST
Plz help,


i got this post from calguns.net


"You can oppose this bill by calling 1-916-445-2841 its on the automated message system that means its important and will be easy to oppose by calling and listening to the correct promps (First press 1 then 2 then 2 then 2 to oppose) Call over and over again even if the line is busy you will get through after a few times and call more than once to oppose AB 962 you can call as many times and vote as you like also email the gov's office over and over make your self heard VETO AB 962.
"
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:41:37 PM EST
It would be one HELL of a lot better if EVERY ammo manufacturer, distributor, and reseller were to decide to follow Ronnie Barrett's example and,
if this bill isn't vetoed, set an absolute policy not to sell ANY ammo into CA for any reason whatsoever, including and especially deny any and all
sales to any and all CA governmental agencies including law enforcement.

If the cops couldn't get any ammo, the law would soon be repealed.

You'd have to make your point that way.

And, you'd have to stick together on this. If just ONE asshole continued to allow sales to CA LEOs, the whole plan would be screwed.


CJ
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:42:47 PM EST
called, emailed, and faxed.

Need a firemission.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:43:20 PM EST
I'm sure Assachusetts will follow suit.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:43:55 PM EST
jest look at my name

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:44:52 PM EST
My advice to Californians Gtfo, Come to OK if youre not a liberal jackass.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:45:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Originally Posted By slanky:
Time for me to open up an ammo business right on the AZ border

Seriously though, that is f'd up. Although I'm not surprised by anything the PRK does anymore.



I know you are jokeing, but the first business on the north side of the Oklahoma/Texas border along I35 is a Casino, the south side, a porn shop.


Everytime I go buy it I can't help but think "just legalize it already" Texas could make sooo much money off legalized gambling.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:45:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By hp6:
From 6mm.com

AB 962, a new law restricting ammo sales, was passed by the California Legislature last Friday and sent to Governor Schwarzenegger’s desk. If not vetoed by the Governor, this bill could have a major negative effect on the shooting sports in the Golden State. AB 962, authored by Assemblyman De León (Dem. Los Angeles) was narrowly passed on a strict party line vote, on the last day of the Legislative session.

New Law Targets Pistol Ammo But Would Also Embrace Rifle Ammunition
AB 962 will restrict the sales of pistol ammunition. Unfortunately, the restriction will include common rifle ammo such as .22LR, .22 Magnum, and .223 Rem, because these cartridges are also used in pistols. If codified into law, commencing February 1, 2011, AB 962 would require handgun ammunition vendors to obtain a complete profile on ammo-purchasers including: residential address, phone number, Driver’s License number, birth date, and signature. In addition, ammo buyers must provide a thumbprint when purchasing pistol ammunition. A violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.

In addition, AB 962 could effectively prohibit online or mail-order sales of pistol ammunition to California residents. This is because, according to the Leg. Counsel’s Digest, “delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee. A violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.”

The good news is that AB 962 was amended to eliminate the provision that would criminalize the “sale or transfer” or more than 50 rounds of pistol ammunition per month. Had that clause survived, it would have a chilling effect on all youth training programs because rangemasters, scout leaders, or shooting coaches could be jailed for handing out more than one box of rimfire ammo.

Nonetheless, AB 962 is a terrible piece of legislation. Unless Gov. Schwarzenegger vetoes AB 962, Californians will no longer be able to mail-order most rimfire ammo, all centerfire pistol ammo, and a potentially large selection of rifle ammunition. We can’t tell you exactly what kinds of rifle ammo would be embraced by AB 962, because the bill relies on the vague definitions of CA Penal Code Section 12323(a): “‘Handgun ammunition’ means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person… notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.”

The California Rifle and Pistol Assn. (CRPA) is asking ALL California gun owners to contact Gov. Schwarzenegger immediately and urge him to VETO AB 962. You can send an email via the Governor’s home page at www.gov.ca.gov/interact. (Type your name and email address, select Gun Control under the “Choose Your Subject” menu, hit “Submit” — then write your message.) You can also call or send a fax to the Governor’s office (Phone (916) 445-2841; Fax (916) 558-3160). Gov. Schwarzenegger has until October 11, 2009 to sign, approve without signing, or veto bills passed by the Legislature.


Only in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. You guys in CA have my sympathy.


Coming to a State near you...
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:46:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By GNRNR:
My advice to Californians Gtfo, Come to OK if youre not a liberal jackass.

Yeah, OK is good. Nevada is full and we hate guns.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:46:23 PM EST
Fuck California
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:46:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
called, emailed, and faxed.

Need a firemission.


Go make a thread with all the info and I'm sure we will all help out as much as we can.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:48:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:54:16 PM EST by wheel]
Originally Posted By WoodDevil:
I'm sure Assachusetts will follow suit.


You're obviously not aware of the state of things here in Mass. While there are no actual laws banning mail order purchase of ammo from out of state, the Attorney General has scared/threatened several such vendors, such that few now will sell to us from out of state. Those few that are still willing to ship to Mass. will rename nameless

By the way, same I hear is true for brass, but I don't have first hand experience with that.

Also, just as with firearm purchases, some level of license must be provided when purchasing ammo at local stores. That can be an FID card or a carry permit.

So effectively we've had similar restrictions as this new Calif law here for years now.

.
.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:50:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
It would be one HELL of a lot better if EVERY ammo manufacturer, distributor, and reseller were to decide to follow Ronnie Barrett's example and,
if this bill isn't vetoed, set an absolute policy not to sell ANY ammo into CA for any reason whatsoever, including and especially deny any and all
sales to any and all CA governmental agencies including law enforcement.

If the cops couldn't get any ammo, the law would soon be repealed.

You'd have to make your point that way.

And, you'd have to stick together on this. If just ONE asshole continued to allow sales to CA LEOs, the whole plan would be screwed.


CJ


Good idea, but never happen. Federal Government wouldn't allow it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:51:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By hp6:


narrowly passed on a strict party line vote,


Remember kids, there's absolutely no difference between republicans and demotards. I read that 45 times a day here.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:51:12 PM EST
This is yet another fine example of liberal domination of the state legislature.

Escaped from CA in 2003...
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:52:46 PM EST
If I were still living in San Fran, I'd drive to another state to buy in bulk.

Luckly I'm not.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:53:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
It would be one HELL of a lot better if EVERY ammo manufacturer, distributor, and reseller were to decide to follow Ronnie Barrett's example and,
if this bill isn't vetoed, set an absolute policy not to sell ANY ammo into CA for any reason whatsoever, including and especially deny any and all
sales to any and all CA governmental agencies including law enforcement.

If the cops couldn't get any ammo, the law would soon be repealed.

You'd have to make your point that way.

And, you'd have to stick together on this. If just ONE asshole continued to allow sales to CA LEOs, the whole plan would be screwed.


CJ


Good idea, but never happen. Federal Government wouldn't allow it.

Bullshit. Up to this point, there is absolutely no .gov requirement for any company to be FORCED to do business with ANYBODY. Anyone holding a contract, even a .gov
contract, can terminate the contract if they want to. It's always written right into the contract. If it's not, the contract writer was absolutely incompetent.

All ammo is made by civilian companies, and that even includes the Lake City factory. Cancel a few contracts and they wouldn't be required under any law to even
sell ammo to the US Army.

CJ


Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:54:49 PM EST
I can't WAIT to see what NJ will come up with as they have to always have a more messed up law than California.

My sympathy to my California bretheren...

RW3
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:55:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By squirrell18:
I think it's time for the revolt. Bunch of homos in Cali.


Yep, and what really suck's is NY will be next to follow. They always do
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:57:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Originally Posted By Loki41872:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
It would be one HELL of a lot better if EVERY ammo manufacturer, distributor, and reseller were to decide to follow Ronnie Barrett's example and,
if this bill isn't vetoed, set an absolute policy not to sell ANY ammo into CA for any reason whatsoever, including and especially deny any and all
sales to any and all CA governmental agencies including law enforcement.

If the cops couldn't get any ammo, the law would soon be repealed.

You'd have to make your point that way.

And, you'd have to stick together on this. If just ONE asshole continued to allow sales to CA LEOs, the whole plan would be screwed.


CJ


Good idea, but never happen. Federal Government wouldn't allow it.

Bullshit. Up to this point, there is absolutely no .gov requirement for any company to be FORCED to do business with ANYBODY. Anyone holding a contract, even a .gov
contract, can terminate the contract if they want to. It's always written right into the contract. If it's not, the contract writer was absolutely incompetent.

All ammo is made by civilian companies, and that even includes the Lake City factory. Cancel a few contracts and they wouldn't be required under any law to even
sell ammo to the US Army.

CJ




You seem to forget what government we're talking about here.
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