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Posted: 10/20/2004 5:43:56 PM EST
A change to world gov't would only take a Kerry victory to happen. Do you think we've come that close to world gov't that all it takes is a democratic victory this time?

M4-AK
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:46:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:48:08 PM EST
Hey whats wrong with a New World Order ???
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:49:14 PM EST
I see there are some believers in the resiliancy of America.

Whats your opinions?

M4-AK
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:50:07 PM EST
Most likely? Some limited riots if sKerry loses.


But we are careening for the brink as a Nation, I just don't think this election will do it.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:50:13 PM EST
The day America falls - is the day the civilization likely also falls.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:51:37 PM EST
Amerika ceased to exist as the free country our fore-fathers fought and died for about 50 years ago. We are simply observing the inevitable outcome of a liberal/activist controled education system, media and government. The only real question left is, "Where do we escape to?" Pessimistic or realistic? Let's watch.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:52:27 PM EST
We're at that awkward stage either way.

The bigger question is why have we allowed so much power to reside in the hands of one man that you're afraid if the majority choose the wrong one, of the two they're presented as choices, the republic will die?

We're supposed to be electing a public serveant, to execute the duties spelled out by the constitution. Actually we should be able to train a monkey to be president, there's very little latitude.

We are not crowning a king.

I'm afraid it's human nature to pledge your allegience to a sovereign, the only difference between our system and the old is that we have two competing royal families, and every few years we have a joust.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:52:51 PM EST
There is no escape.

We'll just need to FIX IT after the cleansing
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:53:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
Amerika ceased to exist as the free country our fore-fathers fought and died for about 50 years ago. We are simply observing the inevitable outcome of a liberal/activist controled education system, media and government. The only real question left is, "Where do we escape to?" Pessimistic or realistic? Let's watch.



I believe you may be right. But I pray you're wrong.

M4-AK
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:54:04 PM EST
I dont think that any one election will drastically push us over the edge. Instead, we will just gradually lose friction down the perillous(sp?) slope until we just fall over the edge.


John Kerry isnt singly responsible for how bad our country is, or how bad it will be. He won't help it, but he isn't the only one at fault. After all, look at who our two main candidates are. Its like choosing between the Emperor and Darth Vader. Hell, Kerry even looks like the Emperor...
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:54:05 PM EST
Which of the founding fathers stated that a civil war would be required every 100 years to maintain the democracy?
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:55:37 PM EST
The citizens of the United States of America have become so desensitized about the true meaning of freedom that, if we were brought back to the 1770s, the Revolutionary War would never have happened.

JMHO.

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:55:44 PM EST
10mm,

No not about 50 years ago, 91 years ago we sold our soul.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:56:39 PM EST
I think America will have some HUGE problems down the road. Is this the election that starts it?? I don't know, if Kerry wins more than likely. I really don't think that Kerry is going to win though.

If you want to see something that will scare the shit out of you as to the future of this country check the link below, and no it's not a tinfoil hat nut job site.

Federation for American Immigration Reform

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:57:10 PM EST
hate to break it to you, but we've gone through some dividing elections before.

Nixon/Kennedy was one that comes to mind.

Which one where the winner got less than the political vote, was it Garfield?

We've been there, done that.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:57:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:
The day America falls - is the day the civilization likely also falls.



The day America falls is the day us patriots start working to rebuild it better than before.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 5:58:41 PM EST
The sky is falling!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:00:25 PM EST
Aliens, ghosts and gubmint oh my!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:00:29 PM EST
That half of Americans would even consider John Kerry and all he stands for is unbelievable but true. Half do.

M4-AK
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:02:06 PM EST
I don't think it's going to end it, but it's going to change it for sure.

If Kerry loses there will be screaming, lawsuits and general chaos for months to come. We'll be subjected to ANOTHER 4 years of hearing "Bush stole it... AGAIN". I think the 2000 elections forever changed how things are going to go from now on. Unless there is a HUGE win on their part, the dumocrats are going to scream "fraud" every eleciton they lose.

If Kerry makes it in and Republicans don't stand their ground we're going to be in deep shit. Kerry has made it PERFECTLY clear that what is good for America is to be filtered against what the world thinks and the world is gonna win. If he makes it in the best we can hope for is that the Republicans in D.C. grow a sack and legally shut down every piece of "one world" shit that Kerry sends their way.

As for civil unrest, you might see it some of the Democratic urban areas riot and you'll find your share of "useful idiots" out on the street elsewhere. If it goes beyond that I think that they will discover that the oft used expression "Fuck'em, we're the ones with the guns" will turn out to be more true than they could possibly imagine.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:02:34 PM EST
I haven't been here too long, but what's with all of these threads saying how we're all doomed if skerry gets elected? I DEFINATELY DO NOT want him to win, but save all of these for if and when it actually happens. Just my .02
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:04:09 PM EST

That half of Americans would even consider John Kerry and all he stands for is unbelievable but true. Half do.



Actually I think it's only about 20% that support what Kerry stands for. The big problem we have is that 28% are not at all happy with Bush.

That leaves Bush with 52%

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:05:17 PM EST
We have never been at a point like this in our history. Kerry is a manifestation of how far wrong we have gone. If he is elected terrorist will run amok in our streets. The UN will step in and rule our world, while we sit around and complain about high gas prices. Nothing last forever....not even the most unique and free culture to ever exist. Most Amerikans will never even know what they lost.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:05:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By ctprelude:
I haven't been here too long, but what's with all of these threads saying how we're all doomed if skerry gets elected? I DEFINATELY DO NOT want him to win, but save all of these for if and when it actually happens. Just my .02


If not Kerry this time, what about next time. Half of Americans appear to agree with what Kerry and others like him say. We're not a long way from the possibility of this happening, we're at the point where half would agree with this direction for America.

M4-AK
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:07:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:
The sky is falling!



No, the sky certainly isn't falling but, the freedom that has been slowly milked from the Republic has resulted in a passivity amongst the citizenry. I see no overthrow of our government - ever. And I wouldn't promote one either. Changes need to take place from within.

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:09:24 PM EST

I was just today talking with some co-workers about how Kerry has lawyers ready to sue if he loses and it appears he is gonna try to "win" this election in the courts and not the polls. Fine by me because this could push America into "something" and it would be a great opportuntiy to set some things straight.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:12:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 6:15:12 PM EST by M4-AK]

Originally Posted By BluEyeddEvil:
I was just today talking with some co-workers about how Kerry has lawyers ready to sue if he loses and it appears he is gonna try to "win" this election in the courts and not the polls. Fine by me because this could push America into "something" and it would be a great opportuntiy to set some things straight.



What is that called when you have an election, but someone attempts (I mean plans not attempts) to overthrow the results and take power? The Dem's are so serious about taking control back they've got plans before the first vote is cast to ensure that they win.

M4-AK
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:16:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
Amerika ceased to exist as the free country our fore-fathers fought and died for about 50 years ago. We are simply observing the inevitable outcome of a liberal/activist controled education system, media and government. The only real question left is, "Where do we escape to?" Pessimistic or realistic? Let's watch.



It was the New Deal in the early 1930s which wrecked Constitutional government in the USA.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:18:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
Amerika ceased to exist as the free country our fore-fathers fought and died for about 50 years ago. We are simply observing the inevitable outcome of a liberal/activist controled education system, media and government. The only real question left is, "Where do we escape to?" Pessimistic or realistic? Let's watch.



It was the New Deal in the early 1930s which wrecked Constitutional government in the USA.

GunLvr



How's that?

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:19:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By M4-AK:
A change to world gov't would only take a Kerry victory to happen. Do you think we've come that close to world gov't that all it takes is a democratic victory this time?

M4-AK



I'll buy everyone here a hotdog the day it happens. Your odds are better at Lotto.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:21:24 PM EST
I think the most evil politician of my lifetime (other than Carter and Klinton), LBJ and his Great Society pretty much marked the beginning of the end. If I ever get within 100 miles of his grave I will go out of my way to spit on it if that is at all possible. I'd like to spit in Lady Bird's face too. Evil cunt!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:22:17 PM EST
I've kind of always believed that people would rather choose between a benevolent dictator and anarchy. All the rest is mostly a distraction to their more animal tendencies.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:30:23 PM EST
Liberals are as much a threat to the Republic as any jihadist. I fear the cold civil war is going to move in the WARM direction if folks don't wake up and see Kerry, the ACLU and the like for what they are. We will lose our sovereignty in the next four years if Bush loses.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:31:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By M4-AK:
A change to world gov't would only take a Kerry victory to happen. Do you think we've come that close to world gov't that all it takes is a democratic victory this time?




Yes.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:34:22 PM EST
And that is why not to register firearms.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:38:25 PM EST
Youzze guyz gotta really lighten up! really. You say 50% of people support Kerry. Wrong. 50% of the population does'nt even bother (despite all that's happened) to vote. I don't know weather that's a good thing or a bad thing?? If you're that stupid lazy and apathetic, good, stay at home. Franklyn said about 33% of the population was apathetic to the rebellion. They are just happy to be drones in the hive. So in the end neither side has a clear majority. Besides, in the world of the "super state" lawlessness on either side is not tolerated by the Silent Majority. They just call up the guys in the ski masks and that's all she wrote.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:55:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
www.weaverball.com/images/lariots.jpg


Cool. More target practice.

CW
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:00:19 PM EST
Close to 50% of likely voters support Kerry. There is a clear idealogical division in our nation and the brainwashed sheeple are growing in number and the Constitution has been in a constant state of revision. There's valid reason to be concerned and alarmed
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:06:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
10mm,

No not about 50 years ago, 91 years ago we sold our soul.




What happened 91 years ago?
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:10:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By M4-AK:

Originally Posted By ctprelude:
I haven't been here too long, but what's with all of these threads saying how we're all doomed if skerry gets elected? I DEFINATELY DO NOT want him to win, but save all of these for if and when it actually happens. Just my .02


If not Kerry this time, what about next time. Half of Americans appear to agree with what Kerry and others like him say. We're not a long way from the possibility of this happening, we're at the point where half would agree with this direction for America.

M4-AK



I completely agree, but what more can we do other than what we are already doing? We all need to vote and keep our congressmen in line with what WE want, other than that what else can we do?
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:24:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:37:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By bvmjethead:

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
10mm,

No not about 50 years ago, 91 years ago we sold our soul.




What happened 91 years ago?



Might be refering to WW-I and the League of Nations, the forerunner of the UN.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:09:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 8:10:20 PM EST by lippo]


Kerry will be the end of our country. Plain and simple.

Why anyone would cast a vote for that lying traitor is completely beyond me. But that could be said about most politicians. The only way we can "fix" things, is to be able to hold our politicians responsible for their actions and to have it, so they can not submit laws or changes that are contrary to the strict and clear language of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Other than that, we are screwed.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:13:59 PM EST
Innocent you have it wrong, Thomas Jefferson said "A revolution would be neccesary every 20 years to renew the democracy!"
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:27:03 PM EST
Bush will win.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:31:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
Aliens, ghosts and gubmint oh my!



shaddup you commie


Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:32:25 PM EST
John Kerry is not the end all of this nation... just another in a long line of socialists.

America WILL become a Euro-Socialist like nation. Its only a matter of time. We've been on that road since the birth of the progressive movement in the 1890s-1900s and we've been rocketing forward on it since Roosevelt. During the 1980s Reagan slowed and even slightly reversed the trend, but not enough.

Truly, the problem is Americans attitudes about socialism, government interference, and the idea of a nanny state are changing. The sad truth is most Americans WANT government interference to protect them. This has in turn created an ever growing culture of dependancy.


The scariest part of the Eurosocialist ideal is the kinds of freedoms which get eroded as a result.
Just look at the EU.

No Freedom of Religion: Advocating any one Religion is bigoted and hateful and thus falls under hatespeech laws.
No Freedom of Speech: For obvious reasons. See the above.
No Freedom of Self Defense: Self evident basic human right? Not in Europe!
No Right to Bear Arms: Unless you're rich. Peasants cannot be trusted.
No Property Ownership: You may pay taxes on it, but the government really owns all the land.

For God's sakes there is an actual clause in the charter of the EU that says any member citizens rights may legally be revoked for the good of the Union!

You know what the scariets part of that list is? Some of its already coming to pass in various states and in varying degrees...
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 9:02:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By smokycity:

Originally Posted By bvmjethead:

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
10mm,

No not about 50 years ago, 91 years ago we sold our soul.




What happened 91 years ago?



Might be refering to WW-I and the League of Nations, the forerunner of the UN.



No,

I'm referring to the federal reserve act. The 16th amendment was also 1913, but income tax is a minor issue compared to central banking.

While I agree the new deal was a major step in the wrong direction, it was a direct result of the federal reserve act, which brought about the great depression in the first place. (any GOP types who want to disagree with that statement would be disagreeing with Greenspan as well)

The great depression occurred primarily because the federal reserve provided an unlimited amount of credit, and there was a limited amount of money available to service that debt. The roaring '20s were just a debt binge, and the great depression the hangover.

The new deal just provided a mechanism by which to create unlimited amounts of money, rather than the proper course which was admitting loaning money nobody earned at interest was a really bad idea and scrapping it.

The welfare state depends on central banking for its existence, and no matter who's elected the welfare state will continue to grow, as will the debt in all areas of the economy, until central banking is eliminated from the system, voluntarily or by outright collapse.

It's a matter of simple mathematics, the way the monetary system works now we have to keep borrowing more and more money all the time, continuously, or the money supply contracts and the economy along with it.

That's why interest rates have been falling for the last 25 years, they have to so we the people can service more and more debt.

Every penny of debt in the system is irredeemable. Individual accounts can be paid off but the total debt in the economy cannot, there isn't nearly enough money to do so.

Because the money is loaned into existance at interest, as soon as the interest begins to accrue there is more debt owed than money created by incurring the debt.

The foundation on which the welfare state is built is irredeemable debt instruments as legal tender for the payment of all debts, public and private.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 10:26:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By dogear:
Close to 50% of likely voters support Kerry. There is a clear idealogical division in our nation and the brainwashed sheeple are growing in number and the Constitution has been in a constant state of revision. There's valid reason to be concerned and alarmed



Damned straight.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 10:44:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Hey whats wrong with a New World Order ???



Isn't that what we're fighting for in Iraq?
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