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Posted: 9/11/2004 3:58:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/11/2004 4:01:31 PM EST by 129s]
www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/ShowNewsGen.aspx?NewsID=667


The United States government has operated a secret budgeting and spending program for decades outside the framework of the American Constitution. The institutional and political roots of this system of clandestine finance reach back to at least a century. The turn of the 19th and 20th centuries saw the consolidation of American industry and banking under the control of a restrictive cartel that for all practical purposes assumed control of the economy. The great magnates of American industry and finance in the late nineteenth century were superb practitioners of covert operations. Witness to this fact are the institutions set up during the twentieth century through which their descendants maintain control.

This paper is a summary of the structure of the American political economy which fits the facts better than the official model. Officially, American capitalism is characterised by democracy, opportunity, self-improvement, open and free markets, and constructive regulation for the public good, in short, happiness. Under this construct America has never fought a war of aggression and harbours no designs to do so. Its leaders have the nation’s interests at heart, and its politicians listen to their constituencies. The truth is different. Why the United States is so widely misunderstood is due in part to a controlled educational system and media. As the system evolved over the decades, time lent it legitimacy spanning the political spectrum. Gustavus Meyers, author of the seminal work History of the Great American Fortunes and no panegyrist, believed – following Marx as did many on the left – that the consolidation of American industry was inevitable and that the men who accomplished it were acting their part in a predetermined historical evolution. Once monopoly control had been achieved, the proletariat would rise and its dictatorship would begin. We shy away from such determinism; nothing happens but as a consequence of what men do and choose to do. If Meyers were alive today, he would still be waiting.


Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:04:03 PM EST
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Foilhat smilie needed...
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:12:39 PM EST
What is the World Trade Center building #7, the Pentagon and Flight 800?
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:27:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/11/2004 4:29:12 PM EST by vito113]
UGA? were the fuck is UGA? what sort of country is UGA?!

This is not the day for tinfoil conspiracy shit…

Andy
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:36:17 PM EST
Welcome back Frdmftr1.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 7:56:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/11/2004 7:56:35 PM EST by Max_Mike]
Did I miss the word Jew or “Jewish bankers” anywhere in that… must have. You can dress up a goat but it is still a goat.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:03:40 AM EST
The fact that you call it conspiracy theory shows you have little clue of what the article is talking about.

Its about national banking laws and practices.


"I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.



"The monopoly of a single bank is certainly an evil. The multiplication of them was intended to cure it; but it multiplied an influence of the same character with the first, and completed the supplanting the precious metals by a paper circulation. Between such parties the less we meddle the better." --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1802



"It is literally true that the toleration of banks of paper discount costs the United States one-half their war taxes; or, in other words, doubles the expenses of every war. Now think but for a moment, what a change of condition that would be, which should save half our war expenses, require but half the taxes, and enthral us in debt but half the time." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813.



"The art and mystery of banks... is established on the principle that 'private debts are a public blessing.' That the evidences of those private debts, called bank notes, become active capital, and aliment the whole commerce, manufactures, and agriculture of the United States. Here are a set of people, for instance, who have bestowed on us the great blessing of running in our debt about two hundred millions of dollars, without our knowing who they are, where they are, or what property they have to pay this debt when called on; nay, who have made us so sensible of the blessings of letting them run in our debt, that we have exempted them by law from the repayment of these debts beyond a give proportion (generally estimated at one-third). And to fill up the measure of blessing, instead of paying, they receive an interest on what they owe from those to whom they owe; for all the notes, or evidences of what they owe, which we see in circulation, have been lent to somebody on an interest which is levied again on us through the medium of commerce. And they are so ready still to deal out their liberalities to us, that they are now willing to let themselves run in our debt ninety millions more, on our paying them the same premium of six or eight per cent interest, and on the same legal exemption from the repayment of more than thirty millions of the debt, when it shall be called for." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813



"The bank mania... is raising up a moneyed aristocracy in our country which has already set the government at defiance, and although forced at length to yield a little on this first essay of their strength, their principles are unyielded and unyielding. These have taken deep root in the hearts of that class from which our legislators are drawn, and the sop to Cerberus from fable has become history. Their principles lay hold of the good, their pelf of the bad, and thus those whom the Constitution had placed as guards to its portals, are sophisticated or suborned from their duties." --Thomas Jefferson to Josephus B. Stuart, 1817



"Everything predicted by the enemies of banks, in the beginning, is now coming to pass. We are to be ruined now by the deluge of bank paper. It is cruel that such revolutions in private fortunes should be at the mercy of avaricious adventurers, who, instead of employing their capital, if any they have, in manufactures, commerce, and other useful pursuits, make it an instrument to burden all the interchanges of property with their swindling profits, profits which are the price of no useful industry of theirs." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814


Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:06:58 AM EST

Its about national banking laws and practices.




I have typed a wonderful response debating each of your points.


But a picture is worth a 100's words so...




Sgatr15
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:11:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 6:11:50 AM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By 129s:
The fact that you call it conspiracy theory shows you have little clue of what the article is talking about.

Its about national banking laws and practices.


"I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.



"The monopoly of a single bank is certainly an evil. The multiplication of them was intended to cure it; but it multiplied an influence of the same character with the first, and completed the supplanting the precious metals by a paper circulation. Between such parties the less we meddle the better." --Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1802



"It is literally true that the toleration of banks of paper discount costs the United States one-half their war taxes; or, in other words, doubles the expenses of every war. Now think but for a moment, what a change of condition that would be, which should save half our war expenses, require but half the taxes, and enthral us in debt but half the time." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813.



"The art and mystery of banks... is established on the principle that 'private debts are a public blessing.' That the evidences of those private debts, called bank notes, become active capital, and aliment the whole commerce, manufactures, and agriculture of the United States. Here are a set of people, for instance, who have bestowed on us the great blessing of running in our debt about two hundred millions of dollars, without our knowing who they are, where they are, or what property they have to pay this debt when called on; nay, who have made us so sensible of the blessings of letting them run in our debt, that we have exempted them by law from the repayment of these debts beyond a give proportion (generally estimated at one-third). And to fill up the measure of blessing, instead of paying, they receive an interest on what they owe from those to whom they owe; for all the notes, or evidences of what they owe, which we see in circulation, have been lent to somebody on an interest which is levied again on us through the medium of commerce. And they are so ready still to deal out their liberalities to us, that they are now willing to let themselves run in our debt ninety millions more, on our paying them the same premium of six or eight per cent interest, and on the same legal exemption from the repayment of more than thirty millions of the debt, when it shall be called for." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813



"The bank mania... is raising up a moneyed aristocracy in our country which has already set the government at defiance, and although forced at length to yield a little on this first essay of their strength, their principles are unyielded and unyielding. These have taken deep root in the hearts of that class from which our legislators are drawn, and the sop to Cerberus from fable has become history. Their principles lay hold of the good, their pelf of the bad, and thus those whom the Constitution had placed as guards to its portals, are sophisticated or suborned from their duties." --Thomas Jefferson to Josephus B. Stuart, 1817



"Everything predicted by the enemies of banks, in the beginning, is now coming to pass. We are to be ruined now by the deluge of bank paper. It is cruel that such revolutions in private fortunes should be at the mercy of avaricious adventurers, who, instead of employing their capital, if any they have, in manufactures, commerce, and other useful pursuits, make it an instrument to burden all the interchanges of property with their swindling profits, profits which are the price of no useful industry of theirs." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814






So the fact that Thomas Jefferson was suspicious of banks in the 1700s somehow is supposed to support the notion that there's a secret banking cartel that controls the eonomy TODAY ??? What in the world do the Jefferson quotes you just posted have to do with the original claim (and link) you posted??? You said that this supposed cartel was created in the beginning on the 20th century.


I also don't understand how a cartel created by "the great magnates of American industry and finance" - would somehow turn into a vehicle of Marxism. Can you EXPLAIN that, please?

(btw - suggesting that a secret cartel controls the U.S. economy kind of IS a "conspiracy theory" whether you like the term or not)
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:18:17 AM EST
Is it my imagination or is AR15.com attracting more loonies everyday?

And I second - where the hell is UGA.

To quote that erudite scholar Bugs Bunny - "What a maroon"

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:22:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By 129s:
www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/ShowNewsGen.aspx?NewsID=667


The United States government has operated a secret budgeting and spending program for decades outside the framework of the American Constitution. The institutional and political roots of this system of clandestine finance reach back to at least a century. The turn of the 19th and 20th centuries saw the consolidation of American industry and banking under the control of a restrictive cartel that for all practical purposes assumed control of the economy. The great magnates of American industry and finance in the late nineteenth century were superb practitioners of covert operations. Witness to this fact are the institutions set up during the twentieth century through which their descendants maintain control.

This paper is a summary of the structure of the American political economy which fits the facts better than the official model. Officially, American capitalism is characterised by democracy, opportunity, self-improvement, open and free markets, and constructive regulation for the public good, in short, happiness. Under this construct America has never fought a war of aggression and harbours no designs to do so. Its leaders have the nation’s interests at heart, and its politicians listen to their constituencies. The truth is different. Why the United States is so widely misunderstood is due in part to a controlled educational system and media. As the system evolved over the decades, time lent it legitimacy spanning the political spectrum. Gustavus Meyers, author of the seminal work History of the Great American Fortunes and no panegyrist, believed – following Marx as did many on the left – that the consolidation of American industry was inevitable and that the men who accomplished it were acting their part in a predetermined historical evolution. Once monopoly control had been achieved, the proletariat would rise and its dictatorship would begin. We shy away from such determinism; nothing happens but as a consequence of what men do and choose to do. If Meyers were alive today, he would still be waiting.







'nuff said...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:23:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 9:23:32 AM EST by napalm]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:




SIR!


As designated dupe and Psychopolitician #47 I am reporting for duty!


What are your commands, O Communist Infiltrator?

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:37:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By napalm:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:




SIR!


As designated dupe and Psychopolitician #47 I am reporting for duty!


What are your commands, O Communist Infiltrator?







Thank you, brother napalm. I'm not sure we will need the entire cadre for this one (the force seems weak in him).

But let's definitely keep an eye on him.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:46:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By napalm:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:




SIR!


As designated dupe and Psychopolitician #47 I am reporting for duty!


What are your commands, O Communist Infiltrator?







Thank you, brother napalm. I'm not sure we will need the entire cadre for this one (the force seems weak in him).

But let's definitely keep an eye on him.




Dammit, the Dutch Illuminati Master has been in our midst all along!
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