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Posted: 7/1/2012 10:49:10 AM EDT
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Its sad American Flags are made over seas and losing jobs over here.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 11:05:49 AM EDT
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9 person company that distributes flags going tits up! according to arfcom it will be the unions fault instead of corporate mismanagement! oh wait this is a non union company going tits up? unpossible!
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Posted: 7/1/2012 11:12:37 AM EDT
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9 person company that distributes flags going tits up! according to arfcom it will be the unions fault instead of corporate mismanagement! oh wait this is a non union company going tits up? unpossible!
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Posted: 7/1/2012 11:28:56 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 11:49:56 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! 
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:01:39 PM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! I was more thinking about people who insist that Chinese made flags will be the death of us (or whatever). There are plenty of non-union flag makers in the US, still doing fine. And I'm sure there are some union shops still kicking, as well. Nothing is ever really black and white, and so easily distilled. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:02:03 PM EDT
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Its sad American Flags are made over seas and losing jobs over here. I have never, nor will I ever, buy an non-USA made flag and I fly one 24/7/365. Relaced about once a year. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:02:42 PM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:06:38 PM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! I was more thinking about people who insist that Chinese made flags will be the death of us (or whatever). There are plenty of non-union flag makers in the US, still doing fine. And I'm sure there are some union shops still kicking, as well. Nothing is ever really black and white, and so easily distilled. why are you using logic in gd? |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:08:02 PM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. thanks for making my point. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 12:27:50 PM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. thanks for making my point. Fuck Unions and Fuck Obama. You realize they are the same dont you? Why do I doubt that you grasp the fact that they share common goals. |
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Posted: 7/1/2012 1:04:41 PM EDT
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The Flag Lady is still going strong. Her flags are all made in the U.S.A. and are excellent quality.
http://www.flagladyohio.com/ |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:00:43 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. thanks for making my point. Fuck Unions and Fuck Obama. You realize they are the same dont you? Why do I doubt that you grasp the fact that they share common goals. case in point, checkmate!!! 
grasp the point that this is a non union distribution company that was driven into the ground by corporate management! there is no union to blame on this one, but in true arfcom fashion its the unions fault.  
talk about sheeple! 
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:11:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! if those nine employees were union they would have went tits up long ago. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:11:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:13:56 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! if those nine employees were union they would have went tits up long ago. the largest and oldest flag manufacturer in the u.s.a. is a thriving union company. thanks for playing though.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:15:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: plus being a main campaign contributor to the democrats who have pretty much been the driving force behind federal regulation and taxes as well as state regulations and taxes which causes massive overhead driving production overseas. Quoted: Quoted: Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:29:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. thanks for making my point. Fuck Unions and Fuck Obama. You realize they are the same dont you? Why do I doubt that you grasp the fact that they share common goals. case in point, checkmate!!! grasp the point that this is a non union distribution company that was driven into the ground by corporate management! there is no union to blame on this one, but in true arfcom fashion its the unions fault. talk about sheeple! Where does it say anything about "corporate mismanagement"? What union do you belong to and who do they make their political contributions to? Here we go, let's fuck the taxpayers with overpriced union carpenters doing work on military Bases https://www.carpenters.org/Politics_Legislation/MilitaryBillHouseVotes.Gee the mob involved union? Gee the mob involved in your union? http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/14/nyregion/5-carpenters-union-leaders-indicted-in-extortion.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:37:18 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! Since you like the soap box, I would agree, it is the fault of unions. If unions didn't artificially drive up labor costs, the flags would still be mass produced in the US. The distributor going bankrupt probably didn't have much profit to start with, so now that everybody is taking down the stars and stripes to hoist the black flag, they have no income from new sales. Screw Unions. thanks for making my point. Fuck Unions and Fuck Obama. You realize they are the same dont you? Why do I doubt that you grasp the fact that they share common goals. case in point, checkmate!!!
grasp the point that this is a non union distribution company that was driven into the ground by corporate management! there is no union to blame on this one, but in true arfcom fashion its the unions fault.
talk about sheeple! Where does it say anything about "corporate mismanagement"? What union do you belong to and who do they make their political contributions to? there are no union members in the nine person company going bankrupt. who is at fault for the company going under? UBC, L.U. #13, 23 years, i have excercised my beck rights. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:40:58 AM EDT
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http://mafiatoday.com/tag/united-brotherhood-of-carpenters-and-joiners/
http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2009/nyfo080509.htm http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2012/03/union-corruption-report-january-2012/ |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:49:21 AM EDT
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ENRON ring a bell? you trying to tell me only unions are corrupt?
i'll wait here for the arfcom pile on! 
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article197369.ece http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4139502&page=1 |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 1:54:50 AM EDT
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865558298/Unions-pensions-drove-Stockton-California-to-bankruptcy.html
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:00:14 AM EDT
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http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new_york_lawyer_ted_doumazios_is_disbarred_following_92m_mortgage_fraud_con/
$92,000,000.00 is chump change right? those two lawyers are in jail or walking the streets? your taking this thread way off topic. i object!
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:20:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new_york_lawyer_ted_doumazios_is_disbarred_following_92m_mortgage_fraud_con/ $92,000,000.00 is chump change right? those two lawyers are in jail or walking the streets? your taking this thread way off topic. i object! You made the ridiculous claim that this business went under because of the incompetence of management. The day when you need a union to insure safe working conditions is long past, you know the only point now is to inflate the cost of hiring carpenters above what they deserve in a free market. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:22:26 AM EDT
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Too early for the Union kids.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:30:14 AM EDT
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Wonder if that is the company, Liberty Flag, that wasw selling flags in Krogers for so cheap. Good quality and only around $10 IIRC. I wondered how they made any profit. Maybe they made one of those "exclusive sell for Walmart" type deals and cut their own throats?
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:44:33 AM EDT
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http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new_york_lawyer_ted_doumazios_is_disbarred_following_92m_mortgage_fraud_con/ $92,000,000.00 is chump change right? those two lawyers are in jail or walking the streets? your taking this thread way off topic. i object! You made the ridiculous claim that this business went under because of the incompetence of management. The day when you need a union to insure safe working conditions is long past, you know the only point now is to inflate the cost of hiring carpenters above what they deserve in a free market. you make the ridiculous claim to know how safe a construction site is! there are about 5,000 construction fatalities a year. how many lawyers get killed working in they're air conditioned office every year? a lawyer sitting in his soft leather chair charging how much a hour... ragging about inflated prices? irony i tell ya! when is the last time you saw a lawyer get crushed to death by a 3000# transformer? when is the last time you saw a lawyer fall to his death 30 floors down a elevator shaft? when is the last time you saw a lawyer crushed to death by a overturned 70,000 cement mixer? when is the last time you saw a lawyer electrocuted to death by high voltage? ETA if construction is so safe why are there so many personal injury lawyers advertising in union and non union construction publications? |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 4:38:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Try 774 construction fatalities a year out of a total of 4200 fatalities at year. Quoted: Quoted: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new_york_lawyer_ted_doumazios_is_disbarred_following_92m_mortgage_fraud_con/ $92,000,000.00 is chump change right? those two lawyers are in jail or walking the streets? your taking this thread way off topic. i object! You made the ridiculous claim that this business went under because of the incompetence of management. The day when you need a union to insure safe working conditions is long past, you know the only point now is to inflate the cost of hiring carpenters above what they deserve in a free market. you make the ridiculous claim to know how safe a construction site is! there are about 5,000 construction fatalities a year. how many lawyers get killed working in they're air conditioned office every year? a lawyer sitting in his soft leather chair charging how much a hour... ragging about inflated prices? irony i tell ya! when is the last time you saw a lawyer get crushed to death by a 3000# transformer? when is the last time you saw a lawyer fall to his death 30 floors down a elevator shaft? when is the last time you saw a lawyer crushed to death by a overturned 70,000 cement mixer? when is the last time you saw a lawyer electrocuted to death by high voltage? ETA if construction is so safe why are there so many personal injury lawyers advertising in union and non union construction publications? More people drown per year than are killed on construction sites I've done dangerous work, like working in a factory and on farms, I decided to not make a career of that. Did someone use a gun to chase you up a ladder with a hammer? Risk will never be eliminated from certain jobs, including construction, but these are reasonably safe jobs, particularly if the person do the job follows safety procedures and doesn't to do things like not bother strapping off on heights, pays attention when working around electrical lines and so on. I defended job site accidents for insurers for years when I first started out. I don't think I ever saw a guy injured who wasn't doing something careless. Lawyers advertise for job site construction cases because in some states, like NY, there are strict liability provisions that the unions got passed. You can fall off a scaffold without your safety harness even when you were issued one, were told that day to use it in a safety briefing and have been working construction for 15 years. Also the injuries are also often pretty bad so despite the worker often being partially/mostly/completely at fault the cases settle because the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 4:42:21 AM EDT
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Hard to compete with Annin. They seem to be run right, and they put out an excellent product at a fair price.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 4:44:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! werd |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:33:18 AM EDT
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If you believe in liberty ( political, religious, and economic) then business losses and bankruptcy are just as important a part of a healthy economy as successfully profitable business.
I agree that it's sad see a flag company fail, but would you want the gubbermint to bail out the failing business? |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:24:14 AM EDT
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Hard to compete with Annin. They seem to be run right, and they put out an excellent product at a fair price. annin is kicking ass like there is no tomorrow. this is what happens when labor and management work together for the common good of making money. this is impossible for gd to grasp.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:26:31 AM EDT
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Try 774 construction fatalities a year out of a total of 4200 fatalities at year. Quoted:
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http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new_york_lawyer_ted_doumazios_is_disbarred_following_92m_mortgage_fraud_con/ $92,000,000.00 is chump change right? those two lawyers are in jail or walking the streets? your taking this thread way off topic. i object! You made the ridiculous claim that this business went under because of the incompetence of management. The day when you need a union to insure safe working conditions is long past, you know the only point now is to inflate the cost of hiring carpenters above what they deserve in a free market. you make the ridiculous claim to know how safe a construction site is! there are about 5,000 construction fatalities a year. how many lawyers get killed working in they're air conditioned office every year? a lawyer sitting in his soft leather chair charging how much a hour... ragging about inflated prices? irony i tell ya! when is the last time you saw a lawyer get crushed to death by a 3000# transformer? when is the last time you saw a lawyer fall to his death 30 floors down a elevator shaft? when is the last time you saw a lawyer crushed to death by a overturned 70,000 cement mixer? when is the last time you saw a lawyer electrocuted to death by high voltage? ETA if construction is so safe why are there so many personal injury lawyers advertising in union and non union construction publications? More people drown per year than are killed on construction sites I've done dangerous work, like working in a factory and on farms, I decided to not make a career of that. Did someone use a gun to chase you up a ladder with a hammer? Risk will never be eliminated from certain jobs, including construction, but these are reasonably safe jobs, particularly if the person do the job follows safety procedures and doesn't to do things like not bother strapping off on heights, pays attention when working around electrical lines and so on. I defended job site accidents for insurers for years when I first started out. I don't think I ever saw a guy injured who wasn't doing something careless. Lawyers advertise for job site construction cases because in some states, like NY, there are strict liability provisions that the unions got passed. You can fall off a scaffold without your safety harness even when you were issued one, were told that day to use it in a safety briefing and have been working construction for 15 years. Also the injuries are also often pretty bad so despite the worker often being partially/mostly/completely at fault the cases settle because the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong.
your correct. when big blue collapsed it was the workers who were killed and injured fault. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:34:39 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. WATCH YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!! according to arfcom, poorly run companies don't exist! its the unions fault!!! I was more thinking about people who insist that Chinese made flags will be the death of us (or whatever). There are plenty of non-union flag makers in the US, still doing fine. And I'm sure there are some union shops still kicking, as well. Nothing is ever really black and white, and so easily distilled. sure let's see you open a company and compete with a chinese firm that pays 5 cents an hour to the employees arfcom GD - you just never know where a thread is going to go. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:38:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: use the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong. your correct. when big blue collapsed it was the workers who were killed and injured fault. Some ironworkers left the site the same day because of concern over high winds, so why were these guys, I assume in the same union, up there? Why didn't the union tell these men not go up?
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:45:21 AM EDT
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use the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong.
your correct. when big blue collapsed it was the workers who were killed and injured fault. exactly what i expected from a attorney at large site staff member. gd is so predictable! |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:50:12 AM EDT
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if the company had been union, it would have failed years ago.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:53:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was in a union, they didn't shit about unsafe working conditions at the plant. I worked a machine that was unsafe for months, I didn't know any better. My shop steward saw me reaching inside a machine that had safety interlocks disconnected where I could have lost a finger a million times in my 12 hour shift as he walked around. Unions haven't had shit to do with safety in many many decades.Quoted: Quoted: use the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong. your correct. when big blue collapsed it was the workers who were killed and injured fault. exactly what i expected from a attorney at large site staff member. gd is so predictable! Love the socialist attempt to dredge up class warfare by constantly mentioning I am an attorney. I left the union and went to law school, no one is stopping you from doing it.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:56:50 AM EDT
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use the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong.
your correct. when big blue collapsed it was the workers who were killed and injured fault. Some ironworkers left the site the same day because of concern over high winds, so why were these guys, I assume in the same union, up there? Why didn't the union tell these men not go up? for the same reason the fallen nyc fire fighters and cops went into the burning towers during 9-11, it was they're job. thats why they did it. now make disparaging remarks about those union members! don't worry since your site staff you'll get away with it. i prefer to remember them as our fallen heroes! im sure ymmv. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:01:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: Complete bullshit. You are comparing firefighters and police rushing into a damaged and burning building in an emergency to union ironworkers letting their brother union members go up in a crane on a jobsite and die when the other union members walked away from the site because of high winds? Quoted: Quoted: use the insurer doesn't want to risk some liberal Chicago jury giving some crying widow and orphans a billion bucks even though their insured did nothing wrong. your correct. when big blue collapsed it was the workers who were killed and injured fault. Some ironworkers left the site the same day because of concern over high winds, so why were these guys, I assume in the same union, up there? Why didn't the union tell these men not go up? for the same reason the fallen nyc fire fighters and cops went into the burning towers during 9-11, it was they're job. thats why they did it. now make disparaging remarks about those union members! don't worry since your site staff you'll get away with it. i prefer to remember them as our fallen heroes! im sure ymmv. I made no disparaging remarks about the men who were killed, rather I questioned why their fellow union members did nothing to save them when they knew the risk of high winds on the job site. Another irrational appeal to emotion like the "5,000 construction workers killed a year" claim |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:12:04 AM EDT
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if its one thing i have learned on arfcom... communist union members are communist union members no matter what! you spin it anyway you want, arfcom paints with such a wide brush its not even funny. is the bar association i presume you and chicago jesus to be a members of communist also? so in true arfcom fashion, chicago jesus is a communist lawyer so that makes all lawyers communist! i would start listing communist lawyers but that would take me forever and a lifetime... i only type with two fingers. stick that shit in your peace pipe and smoke it!
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:17:42 AM EDT
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shows you how bad our immigration problem & patriotism really is.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:17:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: You know as well as I do that trade unions exist to get their members wages they wouldn't be paid without the union and the laws unions have gotten passed to protect unions. They were a good idea in the 19th and early 20th century when coal companies could set up company towns and factories had 8 year olds working there getting their little fingers torn off in unshielded gears and sprockets. Now it's all about the money. Wages triple or more on "prevailing wage" jobs at taxpayer expense.if its one thing i have learned on arfcom... communist union members are communist union members no matter what! you spin it anyway you want, arfcom paints with such a wide brush its not even funny. is the bar association i presume you and chicago jesus to be a members of communist also? so in true arfcom fashion, chicago jesus is a communist lawyer so that makes all lawyers communist! i would start listing communist lawyers but that would take me forever and a lifetime... i only type with two fingers. stick that shit in your peace pipe and smoke it! |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:31:40 AM EDT
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Or it's possible that...you know...it was just a poorly run company. couple that with an economy where most people have less disposable income for things like flags and this shit happens. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:37:28 AM EDT
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You know as well as I do that trade unions exist to get their members wages they wouldn't be paid without the union and the laws unions have gotten passed to protect unions. They were a good idea in the 19th and early 20th century when coal companies could set up company towns and factories had 8 year olds working there getting their little fingers torn off in unshielded gears and sprockets. Now it's all about the money. Wages triple or more on "prevailing wage" jobs at taxpayer expense.if its one thing i have learned on arfcom... communist union members are communist union members no matter what! you spin it anyway you want, arfcom paints with such a wide brush its not even funny. is the bar association i presume you and chicago jesus to be a members of communist also? so in true arfcom fashion, chicago jesus is a communist lawyer so that makes all lawyers communist! i would start listing communist lawyers but that would take me forever and a lifetime... i only type with two fingers. stick that shit in your peace pipe and smoke it!
Where I work, the client's people are union. My company is not. The sole purpose of their union is to protect wages and keep people that have no business being on site employeed. If a contractor is caught working without their PPE, climbing a ladder with fall protection, or working on equipment without following Tag Lock Clear Try, they can be walked off site for a few days to permamently. The client's people aren't held to any of those things. If you attempt to bring it up around one of them, they go straight to their union rep, who them starts tearing into management. I know of several section of the plant that I could find people sleeping in their chairs, but management can't touch them. I know of a manager that almost lost his job because he tried to force workers that were screwing off on personal stuff to do their job. If they are tasked to work on somehing, it is only done after hours on overtime because they are too busy sleeping or planning their next vacation to be bothered with work on regular time. Hell one of the union reps was bragging about how they saved the job a damn druggie. The druggie got popped by a random drug test and made to go through the drug progam to save his job. Well, next time he got popped after the progam, he was dirty again. The client was in the process of terminating the man when the union stepped in and blocked it. And they were proud of it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:44:06 AM EDT
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You know as well as I do that trade unions exist to get their members wages they wouldn't be paid without the union and the laws unions have gotten passed to protect unions. They were a good idea in the 19th and early 20th century when coal companies could set up company towns and factories had 8 year olds working there getting their little fingers torn off in unshielded gears and sprockets. Now it's all about the money. Wages triple or more on "prevailing wage" jobs at taxpayer expense.if its one thing i have learned on arfcom... communist union members are communist union members no matter what! you spin it anyway you want, arfcom paints with such a wide brush its not even funny. is the bar association i presume you and chicago jesus to be a members of communist also? so in true arfcom fashion, chicago jesus is a communist lawyer so that makes all lawyers communist! i would start listing communist lawyers but that would take me forever and a lifetime... i only type with two fingers. stick that shit in your peace pipe and smoke it!
NEWS FLASH: THE WAY YOU MAKE A LIVING IS ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY!!! i can work non union if i want to. i don't feel like making $10 - $15 a hour, 1099 at the end of the year. no medical, no benefits, no retirement fund, no job training, no safety training, no anything! i prefer my wage and benefit package the way it is... fair to me and my employer. nobody forces my employer to be signatory with the union year after year. in fact he prefers it! |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:47:24 AM EDT
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Damn shame. I hate to see a small business fold. I've seen more than my share of shops fold due to circumstances beyond their control.
It amazes me that a single Chinese made American flag is sold in this country. It does make a statement as to what kind of people we are as a whole. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:51:43 AM EDT
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Its sad American Flags are made over seas and losing jobs over here. I have never, nor will I ever, buy an non-USA made flag and I fly one 24/7/365. Relaced about once a year. Buy them like boots you like, get a few and cycle through them. They last much better that way. I refuse to buy anything with the Stars and Stripes on it that isn't made here. It also makes my eyes cross when supposedly Patriot-based groups sell chotskys that are not made here. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:55:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You know as well as I do that trade unions exist to get their members wages they wouldn't be paid without the union and the laws unions have gotten passed to protect unions. They were a good idea in the 19th and early 20th century when coal companies could set up company towns and factories had 8 year olds working there getting their little fingers torn off in unshielded gears and sprockets. Now it's all about the money. Wages triple or more on "prevailing wage" jobs at taxpayer expense.if its one thing i have learned on arfcom... communist union members are communist union members no matter what! you spin it anyway you want, arfcom paints with such a wide brush its not even funny. is the bar association i presume you and chicago jesus to be a members of communist also? so in true arfcom fashion, chicago jesus is a communist lawyer so that makes all lawyers communist! i would start listing communist lawyers but that would take me forever and a lifetime... i only type with two fingers. stick that shit in your peace pipe and smoke it! NEWS FLASH: THE WAY YOU MAKE A LIVING IS ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY!!! i can work non union if i want to. i don't feel like making $10 - $15 a hour, 1099 at the end of the year. no medical, no benefits, no retirement fund, no job training, no safety training, no anything! i prefer my wage and benefit package the way it is... fair to me and my employer. nobody forces my employer to be signatory with the union year after year. in fact he prefers it! I'm betting your employer has some reason to be using the Union, probably to bid .gov jobs or for political reasons. You have to admit it would be an unusual situation where an employer would use union employees if he was not required to, or received some benefit from doing so. |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 7:57:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Damn shame. I hate to see a small business fold. I've seen more than my share of shops fold due to circumstances beyond their control. It amazes me that a single Chinese made American flag is sold in this country. It does make a statement as to what kind of people we are as a whole. I have no idea at percentages, but I would bet that most flags are sewn overseas, just like pretty much everything is sewn overseas. My wife wanted a US made flag and looked for awhile finding just chinese flags (she's not the best googler ). She bought a flag from LaRue then went through the same thing trying to get a US made flag pole.
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