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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:23:13 PM EST
Crazy. I was just reading up on some vietname stuff.

I think my dad was in cam ranh bay? On c130's
I need to ask him to tell us more stuff.

Anyway, was wondering how many herky birds were lost (55) and saw that the total aircraft losses were close to ten thousand aircraft.

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:26:10 PM EST
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cool! my dad was at Cam Rahn too with the 45tfs/ triple nickel

I wonder how many we pushed off the carrier or ditched as well.....

ask him now, I can't ask my dad anymore and regret it.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:26:22 PM EST
I've read that we lost slightly more than 5,000 helicopters, half of which were shot down.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:36:16 PM EST
Yeah 5000+ rotary winged aircraft lost

400+ f4's

(Break down of planes at Wikipedia)
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 1:42:33 PM EST
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 2:27:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.
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Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.

WWII loses were expected

10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:

WWII loses were expected

10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.

WWII loses were expected

10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year


Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 2:42:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.
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You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics.
Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers.
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Originally Posted By Bounce19712:
cool! my dad was at Cam Rahn too with the 45tfs/ triple nickel

I wonder how many we pushed off the carrier or ditched as well.....

ask him now, I can't ask my dad anymore and regret it.
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Cam Rahn? The 45th flew out of Ubon, Thailand
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 2:51:02 PM EST
My old man flew 108 missions in the Thud and a couple hundred more in the Phantom II aka Rhino.
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Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.

It was safer to be on the front lines, than in a Aircraft in WW2.
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When I was 10 (USAF brat) I told my dad I wanted to fly helicopters. He told me that if you took every helicopter we lost in Vietnam and lined them up end to end across Vietnam you could walk across the country (width) on the helicopters. I don't know if he was just being sarcastic or not, I just remember him telling me that. Changed my mind pretty quick.


Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:42:20 PM EST
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Now tell us what the number of combat losses were.

A lot less than 10K.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 3:48:18 PM EST
I believe that over half of the F-105 production run was lost in SouthEast Asia.
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Once was enough, it was a most memorable day.
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Originally Posted By KA3B:
Now tell us what the number of combat losses were.

A lot less than 10K.
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Didn't they push quite a few Huey's off into the ocean?
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Originally Posted By hawktheslayer:


You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics.
Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers.

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Originally Posted By hawktheslayer:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics.
Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers.



Many of us who served back then believed that McNamera lost the war by trying to manage it from a desk in Washington using operations research optimization models and other shit he dreamed up assigning different points values to different targets.

This DID NOT work because the battlefield was a fluid and fast changing situation.

Also, I have always heard that the Red Chinese told LBJ and McNamera that they had a secret treaty with North Vietnam and if we started winning too much, the Chinese would send a million men into Vietnam just like they did in Korea years before (1951). This apparently scared LBJ and McNamera shitless.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.
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Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.

A whole lot of those were lost in training accidents.
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Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two.
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What's WWII stand for again?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 6:11:52 PM EST
We won't even have 400 planes to lose in WW3.
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0bama got the drones
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:49:56 PM EST
To make room for refugees aboard carriers after the fall of Saigon.
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Didn't they push quite a few Huey's off into the ocean?
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Originally Posted By WilliamGray:
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Now tell us what the number of combat losses were.

A lot less than 10K.


Didn't they push quite a few Huey's off into the ocean?

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:02:47 PM EST
My dad flew the friendly skies of Vietnam in an OV-10.
DFC
22 Air Medals
3 Purple Hearts.
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Originally Posted By Bounce19712:
cool! my dad was at Cam Rahn too with the 45tfs/ triple nickel

I wonder how many we pushed off the carrier or ditched as well.....

ask him now, I can't ask my dad anymore and regret it.
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My dad was in Cam Rahn Bay from '66-'67. That's him in the center.

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Many of us who served back then believed that McNamera lost the war by trying to manage it from a desk in Washington using operations research optimization models and other shit he dreamed up assigning different points values to different targets.

This DID NOT work because the battlefield was a fluid and fast changing situation.

Also, I have always heard that the Red Chinese told LBJ and McNamera that they had a secret treaty with North Vietnam and if we started winning too much, the Chinese would send a million men into Vietnam just like they did in Korea years before (1951). This apparently scared LBJ and McNamera shitless.
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Originally Posted By centurion:
Originally Posted By hawktheslayer:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


You forget---we weren't allowed to fight a REAL war; and often--high value military and industrial targets were denied to the military due to politics.
Had there been no politics; we would've crushed those communist motherfuckers.



Many of us who served back then believed that McNamera lost the war by trying to manage it from a desk in Washington using operations research optimization models and other shit he dreamed up assigning different points values to different targets.

This DID NOT work because the battlefield was a fluid and fast changing situation.

Also, I have always heard that the Red Chinese told LBJ and McNamera that they had a secret treaty with North Vietnam and if we started winning too much, the Chinese would send a million men into Vietnam just like they did in Korea years before (1951). This apparently scared LBJ and McNamera shitless.


Never trust a man whose middle name is "Strange".
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Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:


Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two.
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Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.

WWII loses were expected

10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year


Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two.
Dumb AAA, 88s firing into the air, as apposed to radar controlled missiles
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Dumb AAA, 88s firing into the air, as apposed to radar controlled missiles
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Seems like a staggering number for such a tiny sliver of jungle on a globe.

I wonder what the ww2 losses were.


Just US aircraft losses in WWII were "nearly 95,000" per Wikipedia.

WWII loses were expected

10k over 10 years makes sense, 1k per year


Yes. But we flew all over Europe. In comparison, Vietnam isn't all that big. I wonder what the crash per Sq mile and per day is between the two.
Dumb AAA, 88s firing into the air, as apposed to radar controlled missiles

vast majority were from AAA, not SAMs.
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Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:39:32 PM EST
I wonder how many of those "lost" aircraft were being flown by SNV pilots. Or lost due to obsolescence...
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:42:45 PM EST
about half of them were shot down by the chinese.
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Holy shit I think I just watch the episode the picture in your avatar comes from.
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