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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:15:51 AM EDT
what frame?
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:16:34 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up? If it requires no more work than installing parts - the company screwed up BIGTIME |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:18:09 AM EDT
I thought this thread would have something to do with a teenage girl.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:20:09 AM EDT
I'd be feeling like it was a setup and call for a return label and replacement.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:21:33 AM EDT
wow
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:21:39 AM EDT
Well it came new from the company, so it isn't stolen or used in a crime.
Time to go to the range. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:23:58 AM EDT
Yes the sending company fucked up big time.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:24:46 AM EDT
They fucked up. A complete frame is a "firearm"
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:25:36 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up? The company did fuck up ... unless your buddy is screwing with you, and actually received it through an FFL, because his idea of "building" a 1911 is just assembling the parts. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:27:07 AM EDT
The company done goofed, spectacularly.
I wonder when (if?) they'll notice that S/N missing; the ATF wouldn't look favorably upon that. Your end should be fine. Mailing it complete is illegal (shouldn't be), not receiving it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:27:30 AM EDT
So basically they sent him a completed firearm through the mail with no FFL's on either side.
Sounds like a crime. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:29:03 AM EDT
He unpacked it right in front of me, the slide needs some fitting but the rails are cut, holes are drilled, everything is ready to go. Man that's crazy, I wonder how many time this has happend from that company
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:29:20 AM EDT
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what frame? |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:29:38 AM EDT
In a situation like this would you send it back or?
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:31:14 AM EDT
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He unpacked it right in front of me, the slide needs some fitting but the rails are cut, holes are drilled, everything is ready to go. Man that's crazy, I wonder how many time this has happend from that company 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:31:33 AM EDT
I was under the impression that 1911 parts required so much hand fitting, a complete frame was an 80%.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:31:53 AM EDT
I would think hes not at fault for anything, the company on the other hand...
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:32:48 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that 1911 parts required so much hand fitting, a complete frame was an 80%. 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:33:51 AM EDT
I'd call them up and offer to send it back so they don't get screwed by the ATF. Who knows, they might even send you a free 80%.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:33:58 AM EDT
Perhaps he should write the ATF asking for clarification.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:34:13 AM EDT
Do the right thing and notify the company involved.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:34:20 AM EDT
I was doing a dealer to dealer transfer. They sent the firearm to my house.
I took it to my dealer to properly transfer the firearm. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:36:57 AM EDT
Have him take it to his ffl, do a form 4473, pay the $10 for background and he should be covered.
Not his fault they shipped it to him like that, but if he doesn't do the transfer he may leave himself open to interpretation by the man. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:37:34 AM EDT
name the company, could use cheap 1911
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:38:55 AM EDT
Ill tell him to call them up and see how they handle it. Its up to him though, he might just say fuck it and hit the range, hes that kinda guy...
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:41:15 AM EDT
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I would think hes not at fault for anything, the company on the other hand... |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:41:17 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up? I won't say you are stupid, but you did tell the entire internet someone you know has a possibly illegally shipped 1911. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:44:56 AM EDT
Curious, is the law against the purchasing of a firearm without an FFL, or the sale of one. After the fact, I do not think there is any Federsl law about owning a firearm not purchased from an FFL-state laws possibly. Of course there is a law against manufacture for sale without a license, but again is there a law against owning a gun not manufactured with a license? Isn't that the purpose of the whole 80% issue?
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:45:56 AM EDT
Call the company.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:47:09 AM EDT
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I won't say you are stupid, but you did tell the entire internet someone you know has a possibly illegally shipped 1911. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:56:55 AM EDT
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Internet is a big place and just trying to do the right thing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I won't say you are stupid, but you did tell the entire internet someone you know has a possibly illegally shipped 1911. 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:57:49 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up? Hide your dogs |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:58:39 AM EDT
I... uh... know a guy (yeah, let's go with that), that back about 10 years ago bought a pistol from another state on a gun auction site.
He sent the seller payment and his FFL's license copy... and a few days later the gun got delivered. To his home address. 
Shit happens. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:58:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:01:16 AM EDT
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what frame? |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:08:07 AM EDT
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And your buddy thanks you for posting his business on the web. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what frame? |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:09:34 AM EDT
I would let them know. They could report it stolen to law enforcement to cover thier butts with the ATF
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:12:56 AM EDT
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And your buddy thanks you for posting his business on the web. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:15:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:19:14 AM EDT
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I would let them know. They could report it stolen to law enforcement to cover thier butts with the ATF
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:20:53 AM EDT
So he just got off the phone with the company, hes going to ship it back and they are sending him the correct frame and a free barrel. Not a bad trade I guess, the guys voice on the other end went up another octave I'm pretty sure when we described it to him
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:21:05 AM EDT
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How does filing a false report cover their butts? I would call the company and tell them what happened and to rectify it you were going to bring it to your local FFL to complete the 4463. There would be no additional exchange of money with the company. I suspect they would be glad to complete the transaction this way once they realize you know how badly they F'd up and that you could either handle it this way or go through other official channels to correct it. It might be thought that an employee took it or another person if they have no idea what happened to a missing serilized item |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:47:09 AM EDT
Wonder if they sent your buddy a frame that was returned to them?
Someone else started it, F'd it up, serialized it, then sent it back and the company didn't check? |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:49:27 AM EDT
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Yeah I would advise him to send that back ASASP lol. If you don't do the right thing and contact them, they WILL contact you..... |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:00:47 PM EDT
I ordered some .357 SIG ammo from Sig and received a 516 complete upper
. Called them and they sent me a shipping label and two free boxes of ammo  .
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:05:51 PM EDT
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Perhaps he should write the ATF asking for clarification. 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:14:13 PM EDT
All I ever got was some CLP. Ordered one can, and a case of 12 showed up.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:15:07 PM EDT
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Wonder if they sent your buddy a frame that was returned to them? Someone else started it, F'd it up, serialized it, then sent it back and the company didn't check? |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:48:33 PM EDT
Why don't you guys just call the ATF?
Or have you already? 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 1:27:24 PM EDT
Quote History Quoted: I ordered some .357 SIG ammo from Sig and received a 516 complete upper . Called them and they sent me a shipping label and two free boxes of ammo .
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