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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:15:00 AM EDT
Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:15:51 AM EDT
what frame?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:16:34 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up?
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If it requires no more work than installing parts - the company screwed up BIGTIME
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:18:09 AM EDT
I thought this thread would have something to do with a teenage girl.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:20:09 AM EDT
I'd be feeling like it was a setup and call for a return label and replacement.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:21:33 AM EDT
wow 
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:21:39 AM EDT
Well it came new from the company, so it isn't stolen or used in a crime.

Time to go to the range.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:23:58 AM EDT
Yes the sending company fucked up big time.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:24:46 AM EDT
They fucked up. A complete frame is a "firearm"
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:25:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:27:07 AM EDT
The company done goofed, spectacularly.
I wonder when (if?) they'll notice that S/N missing; the ATF wouldn't look favorably upon that.

Your end should be fine. Mailing it complete is illegal (shouldn't be), not receiving it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:27:30 AM EDT
So basically they sent him a completed firearm through the mail with no FFL's on either side.

Sounds like a crime.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:29:03 AM EDT
He unpacked it right in front of me, the slide needs some fitting but the rails are cut, holes are drilled, everything is ready to go. Man that's crazy, I wonder how many time this has happend from that company
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:29:20 AM EDT
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Frame?  Bitch, You hanging a painting or something?  /chappell 
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:29:38 AM EDT
In a situation like this would you send it back or?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:31:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:31:33 AM EDT
I was under the impression that 1911 parts required so much hand fitting, a complete frame was an 80%.  
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:31:53 AM EDT
I would think hes not at fault for anything, the company on the other hand...
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:32:48 AM EDT
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lol
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:33:51 AM EDT
I'd call them up and offer to send it back so they don't get screwed by the ATF.  Who knows, they might even send you a free 80%.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:33:58 AM EDT
Perhaps he should write the ATF asking for clarification.


Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:34:13 AM EDT
Do the right thing and notify the company involved.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:34:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:36:57 AM EDT
Have him take it to his ffl, do a form 4473, pay the $10 for background and he should be covered. 

Not his fault they shipped it to him like that, but if he doesn't do the transfer he may leave himself open to interpretation by the man.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:37:34 AM EDT
name the company, could use cheap 1911
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:38:55 AM EDT
Ill tell him to call them up and see how they handle it. Its up to him though, he might just say fuck it and hit the range, hes that kinda guy...
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:41:15 AM EDT
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I would think hes not at fault for anything, the company on the other hand...
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Yeah I would advise him to send that back ASASP lol.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:41:17 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up?
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I won't say you are stupid, but you did tell the entire internet someone you know has a possibly illegally shipped 1911.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:44:56 AM EDT
Curious, is the law against the purchasing of a firearm without an FFL, or the sale of one.  After the fact, I do not think there is any Federsl law about owning a firearm not purchased from an FFL-state laws possibly.  Of course there is a law against manufacture for sale without a license, but again is there a law against owning a gun not manufactured with a license?  Isn't that the purpose of the whole 80% issue?
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I won't say you are stupid, but you did tell the entire internet someone you know has a possibly illegally shipped 1911.
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Internet is a big place and just trying to do the right thing
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:56:55 AM EDT
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I won't say you are stupid, but you did tell the entire internet someone you know has a possibly illegally shipped 1911.
Internet is a big place and just trying to do the right thing
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:57:49 AM EDT
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Just got done building my first 80% 1911 and turned out really nice. Had a buddy who wanted to do one so he ordered the frame and slide. They arrived and the frame was completely finished and had a serial number! No paperwork, nothing just a complete frame! Am I crazy or did the company do a major fuck up?
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Hide your dogs
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:58:39 AM EDT
I... uh... know a guy (yeah, let's go with that), that back about 10 years ago bought a pistol from another state on a gun auction site.

He sent the seller payment and his FFL's license copy... and a few days later the gun got delivered.  To his home address.  

Shit happens.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:58:42 AM EDT
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And your buddy thanks you for posting his business on the web.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:08:07 AM EDT
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And your buddy thanks you for posting his business on the web.
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And your buddy thanks you for posting his business on the web.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:09:34 AM EDT
I would let them know. They could report it stolen to law enforcement to cover thier butts with the ATF
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:12:56 AM EDT
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And your buddy thanks you for posting his business on the web.
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Well he is sitting right next to me, and waiting for customer service...
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:15:49 AM EDT
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I would let them know. They could report it stolen to law enforcement to cover thier butts with the ATF
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How does filing a false report cover their butts? I would call the company and tell them what happened and to rectify it you were going to bring it to your local FFL to complete the 4463. There would be no additional exchange of money with the company. I suspect they would be glad to complete the transaction this way once they realize you know how badly they F'd up and that you could either handle it this way or go through other official channels to correct it. 
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:20:53 AM EDT
So he just got off the phone with the company, hes going to ship it back and they are sending him the correct frame and a free barrel. Not a bad trade I guess, the guys voice on the other end went up another octave I'm pretty sure when we described it to him
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:21:05 AM EDT
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How does filing a false report cover their butts? I would call the company and tell them what happened and to rectify it you were going to bring it to your local FFL to complete the 4463. There would be no additional exchange of money with the company. I suspect they would be glad to complete the transaction this way once they realize you know how badly they F'd up and that you could either handle it this way or go through other official channels to correct it. 
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It might be thought that an employee took it or another person if they have no idea what happened to a missing serilized item
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:47:09 AM EDT
Wonder if they sent your buddy a frame that was returned to them?
Someone else started it, F'd it up, serialized it, then sent it back and the company didn't check?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 11:49:27 AM EDT
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Yeah I would advise him to send that back ASASP lol.
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Yep......many years ago I ordered a .357 MAX bbl for a TC contender......what showed up was a frame/receiver instead.

If you don't do the right thing and contact them, they WILL contact you.....
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 12:00:47 PM EDT
I ordered some .357 SIG ammo from Sig and received a 516 complete upper .  Called them and they sent me a shipping label and two free boxes of ammo .
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 12:05:51 PM EDT
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This.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 12:14:13 PM EDT
All I ever got was some CLP.  Ordered one can, and a case of 12 showed up.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 12:15:07 PM EDT
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Wonder if they sent your buddy a frame that was returned to them?
Someone else started it, F'd it up, serialized it, then sent it back and the company didn't check?
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A company accepting returns on 80% frames, and then reselling those returns to someone else without looking at them is pretty unimaginable.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 12:48:33 PM EDT
Why don't you guys just call the ATF? 

Or have you already?

Link Posted: 4/19/2017 1:27:24 PM EDT
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What's that part #?  
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