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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:01:39 AM EST
Fox news just broke a story stating that the Air Force is losing 3 of the highest level guys including the Penagon Chief of staff. I guess they screwed up big!!!!!!!

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Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:06:54 AM EST
Maybe it's because they were involved in the AF selecting a Scarebus instead of the far superior Boeing, for the tanker replacement contract. And in doing so, violating an entire
herd of rules (and maybe some laws) concerning their requirement to select from options
that match their own contract requirements.


CJ
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:09:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Maybe it's because they were involved in the AF selecting a Scarebus instead of the far superior Boeing, for the tanker replacement contract. And in doing so, violating an entire
herd of rules (and maybe some laws) concerning their requirement to select from options
that match their own contract requirements.


CJ


Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:10:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:11:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2008 8:16:21 AM EST by PhotoKidD100]
Ummm......


Negligence and general oversight of their nuclear responsibilities and failure to adequately implement UAVs and UCAVs in theatre, Just to name a few of their issues.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:11:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Maybe it's because they were involved in the AF selecting a Scarebus instead of the far superior Boeing, for the tanker replacement contract. And in doing so, violating an entire
herd of rules (and maybe some laws) concerning their requirement to select from options
that match their own contract requirements.


CJ


OOooh, I better make some popcorn

I'm guessing,

Nuke mishandling
Gates saying they weren't getting with the GWOT
using high dollar Officer pilots for drones/not having enough drones/burning out officer pilots
The blue camo AF uniform.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 8:19:00 AM EST
Well they have started a stop loss on my career field maybe I should go back.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:26:23 AM EST
Put a helicopter guy in charge... That will straighten out all those retarded fighter jocks.
~Dg84
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:27:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:28:25 AM EST
Top two Air Force officials resigning

NBC: Secretary refused to fire chief of staff so both are forced out
NBC News and news services updated 12:27 p.m. MT, Thurs., June. 5, 2008

WASHINGTON - The nation's top two Air Force officials are resigning, and military sources told NBC News Thursday that they were being forced out.

At the White House, press secretary Dana Perino said President Bush knew about the resignations of Air Force Chief of Staff Michael Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne, but that the White House “has not played any role” in the shake-up.

Moseley, a general, is the Air Force's top uniformed officer. Wynne is the top civilian official.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates last week told Wynne to fire Moseley but Wynne refused, sources told NBC. As a result, Gates took the unprecedented step of asking both men to resign.

Gates wanted Moseley out because of several different scandals plaguing the Air Force in recent months, the sources added.

Word of the resignations was first reported by InsideDefense.com and the Air Force Times earlier Thursday.

'Resign or be fired'
After Wynne's refusal, Moseley reportedly was told Thursday that he had to leave. "Top-level Pentagon officials gave Moseley the option to resign or be fired during a meeting this morning," the InsideDefense.com reported, quoting an unidentified military official.

The Air Force Times noted that the resignations follow high-profile scandals and disagreements with lawmakers and Gates over the Air Force's role in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Gates earlier this year publicly stated that the Air Force could dedicate more resources, especially unmanned drones, to those battlefronts.

Other controversies include the awarding of a contract for the Air Force's elite Thunderbirds flying group and the service's mistaken shipment of fuses for nuclear missiles to Taiwan in 2006, a congressional source who had been informed about the matter told Reuters.

"There has been a lack of accountability that raised concerns," the source said.

More resignations to follow?
Sources told the Air Force Times that other senior officers could also be relieved.

A public announcement was expected later in the day. There was no immediate word on who would be nominated to replace Moseley and Wynne.

The Air Force has endured a number of embarrassing setbacks over the past year. In August, for instance, a B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown across the country. The pilot and crew were unaware they had nuclear arms aboard.

The error was considered so grave that President Bush was quickly informed.

Moseley later announced that in response to flaws exposed during the nuclear weapons error, the Air Force would change the way bomber crews organize for their nuclear training mission.

Gates also has been trying to learn more about how fuses for Air Force ballistic missiles were mistakenly shipped to Taiwan. Gates was briefed last week on the conclusions of an internal investigation of that matter but the results have not been made public.

Four cone-shaped electrical fuses used in intercontinental ballistic missile warheads were shipped to the Taiwanese instead of the helicopter batteries they had ordered. The fuses originated at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyo., but the mix-up apparently occurred after the parts were shipped to Hill Air Force Base in Utah.

Authority 'compromised,' senator said
In another incident, the Pentagon inspector general found in April that a $50 million contract to promote the Thunderbirds aerial stunt team was tainted by improper influence and preferential treatment. No criminal conduct was found.

Moseley was not singled out for blame, but the investigation laid out a trail of communications from him and other Air Force leaders that eventually influenced the 2005 contract award. Included in that were friendly e-mails between Moseley and an executive in the company that won the bid.

"It is my sense that General Moseley's command authority has been compromised," Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said at the time.

Moseley became Air Force chief in September 2005; Wynne took office in November 2005.

Wynne is the second civilian chief of a military service to be forced out by Gates. In March 2007 the defense secretary pushed out Francis Harvey, the Army secretary, because Gates was dissatisfied with Harvey's handling of revelations of inadequate housing conditions and bureaucratic delays for troops recovering from war wounds at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.


NBC News producers Robert Windrem and Courtney Kube, as well as Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24988491/

Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:28:53 AM EST
Someone got tired of their shit.. Must be a big deal.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:29:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:29:57 AM EST
Well if they would RFid them they might find them quicker!
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:32:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Put a helicopter guy in charge... That will straighten out all those retarded fighter jocks.
~Dg84


WORD.

<------Used to work on CH-47D's for the Army...
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:38:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Maybe it's because they were involved in the AF selecting a Scarebus .....................CJ


Maybe they're going to work for Scarebus


Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:42:02 AM EST
The fighter jock mentality of the USAF is going to have to change.

It's an elite fraternity and they don't let anyone else play with the big boys.

When I was in AFROTC nearly all 3 & 4 star generals in the USAF were fighter jocks with an exception of 3. The others were either WSO or heavy pilots.

Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:44:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Put a helicopter guy in charge... That will straighten out all those retarded fighter jocks.
~Dg84


The current Vice Chief of Staff was a helicopter and transport pilot. With the GWOT going on we don't need a fighter jock running things.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:48:59 AM EST
Where's Chairborne? Maybe he's got some insight on things.
~Dg84
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 10:53:11 AM EST
They need to bring ask a old SAC General to come back for a few years, you can bet the Nuke problems will get cleaned up.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 11:55:01 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 12:02:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By AeroE:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
They need to bring ask a old SAC General to come back for a few years, you can bet the Nuke problems will get cleaned up.



You can bet there are more reasons than just the nuke incidents, those are just really good public excuses for the purge.


I know, I work for the USAF as DoD Civilian. The USAF has done some things the past few years that just make me shake my head. If they want some change, they need to put someone in who isn't a fighter jock and they need to do it in Air Staff as well.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 1:11:59 PM EST
A real ineffective duo ... Good riddance.

At least their future jobs at Grumman are safe for awhile longer !



Link Posted: 6/5/2008 1:16:14 PM EST


I sure hope they don't pull a Scott McClellan.

<sigh>

...but, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. See ya at the DNC convention fellas.
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 2:10:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By AeroE:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
They need to bring ask a old SAC General to come back for a few years, you can bet the Nuke problems will get cleaned up.



You can bet there are more reasons than just the nuke incidents, those are just really good public excuses for the purge.


Probably, but the nuke incidents themselves are sufficient cause. This has been brewing for a long time. The Joint Staff beat the drum of falling nuclear standards at every exercise conference I attended for 3 years. These 3 guys didn't start the problem - it's been going on since the early to mid 90s - but they were there for some of the most egregious and public lapses in nuclear surety to ever occur in the US Armed Force.


Link Posted: 6/5/2008 4:44:16 PM EST
interesting times indeed
Link Posted: 6/5/2008 9:09:47 PM EST
Interesting. However, the problems go deeper than these two guys. Existing Culture needs addressed in the corporate AF. Too many cult followers jumping on the latest business book philosophies that cause turmoil and senior guys looking out for retirement jobs.

Help us Curtis LeMay....you are our only hope.....
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