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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:28:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:28:54 PM EDT
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Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:29:24 PM EDT
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Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. same here |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:18:54 AM EDT
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For at LEAST the last 24 years it's been optional to "affirm" instead of swear, in which case you drop the "so help me God" at the end.
This is not news. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:22:05 AM EDT
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It's always been optional. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:25:07 AM EDT
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For at LEAST the last 24 years it's been optional to "affirm" instead of swear, in which case you drop the "so help me God" at the end. This is not news. Yep. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:28:00 AM EDT
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Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. Came here to post something like this. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:32:16 AM EDT
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God hasn't been part of the military for a long time.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:43:44 AM EDT
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Slow news week. They couldn't come up with a fresh article on benefits being slashed, force shaping, or PT so they had to come up with something to re-state what's in the regs. Never understood why people buy the Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine Corps Times, there's never any substance in it. They must have an exclusive deal with AAFES/NEX because it gets top rack placement at every checkout.
Another worthless rag is the Stars and Stripes. Not the same, but equally worthless. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:53:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: same here Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. same here So you two are in on the ground floor of the conspiracy. I hope you're proud of yourselves. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:58:00 AM EDT
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Should we force people to swear to Vishnu? How about Allah (even though that is God)?
Why require people to swear an oath to something they don't believe in? Wouldn't that make the oath less meaningful to them? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:58:49 AM EDT
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God hasn't been part of the military for a long time. Your experience in the military is vastly different than mine. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:59:54 AM EDT
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Im sure the bible thumpers will be along shortly with tales of how God is being removed from everything and how the country is going down the tubes.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:59:55 AM EDT
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Should we force people to swear to Vishnu? How about Allah (even though that is God)? Why require people to swear an oath to something they don't believe in? Wouldn't that make the oath less meaningful to them? They never were required, read the first couple posts. I had the option 14 years ago and every subsequent reenlistment, and I swear to God every time. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:00:31 AM EDT
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The horror! My God, the horror!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:04:32 AM EDT
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As a Christian I can say that's fine with me.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:06:41 AM EDT
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Should we force people to swear to Vishnu? How about Allah (even though that is God)? Why require people to swear an oath to something they don't believe in? Wouldn't that make the oath less meaningful to them? The whole concept of swearing an oath to God (whichever flavor you prefer) is to make a promise before the highest moral authority in the universe. It's a way to ensure the swearer understands the gravity of the promise he's about to make, and it's a statement before witnesses of how serious the oath-taker will take his/her duties and responsibilities. But it's literally been decades since the military required anyone to swear to God if they didn't want to. In 1986 was asked if I wanted to swear or affirm my enlistment oath, so at least that long. Once again, non-news. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:07:34 AM EDT
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So you two are in on the ground floor of the conspiracy. I hope you're proud of yourselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. same here So you two are in on the ground floor of the conspiracy. I hope you're proud of yourselves. I exercised the option. 
I also *gasp* prayed aloud and led worship/bible studies in uniform while in theater (KSA). 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:27:02 AM EDT
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So help me Yaweh
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:32:20 AM EDT
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Old old news, and trust me I'd know.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:41:06 AM EDT
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Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. Call me traditional but I still swear when I re up, even though Im atheist. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:51:21 AM EDT
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By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:52:55 AM EDT
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With all the raping, drug use and cheating, I doubt service academy cadets have much time to think about God anyway.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Call me traditional but I still swear when I re up, even though Im atheist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. Call me traditional but I still swear when I re up, even though Im atheist. Than what meaning does "so help me god" to you? Why include it? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:56:00 AM EDT
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With all the raping, drug use and cheating, I doubt service academy cadets have much time to think about God anyway. Congrats on the most ignorant statement of the year. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:57:52 AM EDT
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Congrats on the most ignorant statement of the year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With all the raping, drug use and cheating, I doubt service academy cadets have much time to think about God anyway. Congrats on the most ignorant statement of the year. How so? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:04:28 AM EDT
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With all the raping, drug use and cheating, I doubt service academy cadets have much time to think about God anyway. Congrats on the most ignorant statement of the year. How so? While there are a few that choose to sexually assualt, use drugs (spice is the specific one coming up), and cheating, we are talking about less than 1% of the cadet population. I wonder how much of the population at Harvard, Princeton, LSU, and UNLV partake in these actions? The media only cares about what sells stories, so take what the media reports as biased. Since I work intimately with cadets, most of those stories are trumped up and wouldn't be reported at regular universities. We hold them to a much higher accountability, and have very little tolerance for discourse. The vast majority of cadets are fine upstanding military members. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:13:10 AM EDT
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I disagree. Having attended the naval academy, my experience was that the kids there are no more moral or upstanding than the kids of any other college (or kids not in college). Troublemakers, cheats, drunks and slimeballs. Same as college kids everywhere. Worse actually, with their sense of entitlement. God isn't anymore welcome in their lives than He would be in the lives of the libtard hippies down the street at St Johns. I don't care either way- just an observation.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:17:02 AM EDT
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I disagree. Having attended the naval academy, my experience was that the kids there are no more moral or upstanding than the kids of any other college (or kids not in college). Troublemakers, cheats, drunks and slimeballs. Same as college kids everywhere. Worse actually, with their sense of entitlement. God isn't anymore welcome in their lives than He would be in the lives of the libtard hippies down the street at St Johns. I don't care either way- just an observation. Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion and you also have credibility for it. I'm an authority figure so I might not see what you see, but I also see things you never saw. What year did you grad? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:28:07 AM EDT
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2000. And in retrospect, what do I know- its not as though I had extensive experience in other college environments. I just wasn't terribly impressed with what I saw. Service academy cadets work hard and endure a lot. Morally superior? Thinking about God? Not any more than other kids not required to take an oath.
As an aside, I just remembered the bible says not to take oaths anyway. It's probably a good thing that it's going away. I retract everything I said 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:28:42 AM EDT
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I thank God I never joined the Chair Force!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:29:45 AM EDT
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I thank God I never joined the Chair Force! I thank God you never did too!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:30:03 AM EDT
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same here Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh, it was optional in my oath of enlistment 18 years ago. I just assumed it would be the same for officers. same here same here |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:31:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thank God you never did too! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thank God I never joined the Chair Force!  Why join an organization where you sit around waiting for someone to die from a heart attack or retire in order to get a payraise?
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:45:53 AM EDT
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Yep, because then I'd be a Chair Force loser. Why join an organization where you sit around waiting for someone to die from a heart attack or retire in order to get a payraise?Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Quoted: I thank God I never joined the Chair Force! Why join an organization where you sit around waiting for someone to die from a heart attack or retire in order to get a payraise?I retract my latter statement, you now have the most ignorant comment of the year. Resume please? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:04:59 AM EDT
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I retract my latter statement, you now have the most ignorant comment of the year. Resume please? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Quoted: I thank God I never joined the Chair Force! Why join an organization where you sit around waiting for someone to die from a heart attack or retire in order to get a payraise?I retract my latter statement, you now have the most ignorant comment of the year. Resume please? He's actually correct if the discussion is about DAF civilians.
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