Affect of Federal AWB on CA AWB--Advice needed

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Affect of Federal AWB on CA AWB--Advice needed

Mxpatriot51 Death Before Dishonor Joined Jun 2006 Posts 915 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 3:24:12 PM EST Hey guys, what were to happen if this HR 1022 (?) passed (AWB) and an individual in CA had an off list AR lower? Would it be declared a federal AW and then be able to possess the characteristics of an AW? Also, what's the timeline look like for this AWB ban? Are we talking passing/not passing in days, weeks, months? Thanks
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Lon_Moer Joined Jan 2004 Posts 7011 EE Offline PRK	Posted: 2/24/2007 3:26:46 PM EST They were during the last federal ban.

Dsparil Joined Oct 2006 Posts 179 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 3:27:01 PM EST a HUGE number of business would be closed up, people would lose their livelihood, our rights will be stripped away, costs will skyrocket the usual.

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Posted: 2/24/2007 3:30:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:
They were during the last federal ban.

How does that work? OLL's didn't start coming in until the sunset of the Fed AWB, which was in '01, right?

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Mxpatriot51 Death Before Dishonor Joined Jun 2006 Posts 919 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 3:47:36 PM EST bump
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Posted: 2/24/2007 4:02:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:

Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:
They were during the last federal ban.

How does that work? OLL's didn't start coming in until the sunset of the Fed AWB, which was in '01, right?

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FS-FNRL Joined May 2002 Posts 359 EE Offline USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 4:11:17 PM EST Hum interesting question. I do not know. I wonder if it would over ride the state level AWB’s (being newer than the states) and open up those states for AW sales (assuming their was a grandfather clause allowing previously owned AW to be transferred).

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Posted: 2/24/2007 4:26:07 PM EST

Your OLL would have to remain fixed mag or gripless.

States can only have more restrictive laws then the fed gov. They cannot be less restrictive.

All the Ca regulations would remain in effect. And there would be no more new OLLs (or any new lowers for that matter).

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opti12206 Joined Mar 2006 Posts 5317 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 4:29:48 PM EST I would think that the Federal AWB would overrule any state ABW, but I really am just guessing here.

Tannim Member Joined Nov 2004 Posts 2720 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 4:34:54 PM EST In addition to that new OLL would not be legal because they are based on an AR-15 receiver.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 4:43:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:

Hey guys, what were to happen if this HR 1022 (?) passed (AWB) and an individual in CA had an off list AR lower? Would it be declared a federal AW and then be able to possess the characteristics of an AW?

I'm not sure I'm reading this right. It almost sounds as if you are hoping that 1022 would pass, because then even though CA won't declare your off-list lower to be an AW, the federal AWB would declare it to be an AW and thus allow you to build it into a full rifle complete with all "evil" features under CA law. Please tell me I am mistaken.

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Posted: 2/24/2007 5:33:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By zrxc77:

Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:

Hey guys, what were to happen if this HR 1022 (?) passed (AWB) and an individual in CA had an off list AR lower? Would it be declared a federal AW and then be able to possess the characteristics of an AW?

I'm not sure I'm reading this right. It almost sounds as if you are hoping that 1022 would pass, because then even though CA won't declare your off-list lower to be an AW, the federal AWB would declare it to be an AW and thus allow you to build it into a full rifle complete with all "evil" features under CA law. Please tell me I am mistaken.

I do not want the ban to pass. But, if it did and OLL owners would be allowed AW features, that would be a postive in a sea of negative. I want to have both bases covered.

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alaman Joined Jul 2002 Posts 3492 EE Offline AL, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 5:35:40 PM EST anybody that would obey that unconstitutional law would be an idiot

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Posted: 2/24/2007 5:41:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By alaman:
anybody that would obey that unconstitutional law would be an idiot

how are you going to disobey? unless you can make your own parts, it would be difficult. As I understand, the bill bans new parts kits and uppers as well ("conversion kits").

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Posted: 2/24/2007 5:57:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:

I do not want the ban to pass. But, if it did and OLL owners would be allowed AW features, that would be a postive in a sea of negative. I want to have both bases covered.

Okay. I don't think I would consider anything related to HR-1022 positive, but I can understand that you want to be informed of all the possible implications.

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alaman Joined Jul 2002 Posts 3494 EE Offline AL, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 5:59:41 PM EST Already stocked up. How many obeyed the last one?

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Posted: 2/24/2007 6:06:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By alaman:
anybody that would obey that unconstitutional law would be an idiot

how are you going to disobey? unless you can make your own parts, it would be difficult. As I understand, the bill bans new parts kits and uppers as well ("conversion kits").

you might not be able to make new hi caps, but slapping a preban upper and a post ban lower together wouldn't be all that difficult. This is assuming that lowers in their current configuration could still be made.

leelaw Say What? Joined Apr 2003 Posts 11240 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 2/24/2007 6:10:41 PM EST Youwould get a lot better information about this if you asked in the California Hometown Forum, rather than GD. You're more likely to get flamed here by an assclown than you are getting good information.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 6:11:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:
Hey guys, what were to happen if this HR 1022 (?) passed (AWB) and an individual in CA had an off list AR lower? Would it be declared a federal AW and then be able to possess the characteristics of an AW?

Thanks

no you will still need to comply with sb23.

sb23=no evil features in california

Mxpatriot51 Death Before Dishonor Joined Jun 2006 Posts 922 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 2/25/2007 5:53:53 AM EST So the deal with the "parts kits" is that you'd have to piece the lower together piece by piece; not just buying a single lower kit with all your fire control/mag release/buffer parts in it, right? Will we still be able to buy replacement/spare parts for our AR's? Will we still be able to buy uppers? Complete uppers?
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Posted: 2/25/2007 6:17:18 AM EST

[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 6:17:43 AM EST by Tannim]

Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:
So the deal with the "parts kits" is that you'd have to piece the lower together piece by piece; not just buying a single lower kit with all your fire control/mag release/buffer parts in it, right?

Will we still be able to buy replacement/spare parts for our AR's?

Will we still be able to buy uppers? Complete uppers?

I believe you could still buy complete uppers as replacement parts. After all, there's nothing to convert because the lower and all guns based up the lower would be illegal. IE: There will be NO post ban AR-15s EVER. So for the AR-15 there can be no "conversion kits".

However, you know the ATF. They will declare them conversion kits even though no one could buy new lowers to "convert".

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