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Posted: 8/23/2017 2:48:24 PM EST
Trying to decide on Ruger or Savage. Mainly deer hunting. No 30.06 or. 270.School me on all the other calibers. Any input will be appreciated.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:49:07 PM EST
6.5 Creedmore, either brand.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:50:15 PM EST
Tag for...later.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:51:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 2:51:33 PM EST by RCC1]
The only thing funnier than 6.5 CREEDMOOR fanboys are the ones that do not know how to spell CREEDMOOR.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:51:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 2:53:29 PM EST by AZ_Sky]
Since I hunt both deer and elk I use a Ruger M77 MKll 7 Rem Mag.
But if I were to only hunt deer I absolutely would use my new favorite medium game cartridge which is the 6.5 Creedmoor.
My Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 CM is too heavy too carry in the field so I would need to get another 'field' rifle in that cartridge so I'll just stick with my 7 Rem Mag.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:51:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 2:52:38 PM EST by RCC1]
Are we talking white tails or muledeer?

Ranges at which you usually shoot at?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:53:42 PM EST
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The only thing funnier than 6.5 CREEDMOOR fanboys are the ones that do not know how to spell CREEDMOOR.
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It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:55:54 PM EST
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It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
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Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44:
Originally Posted By RCC1:
The only thing funnier than 6.5 CREEDMOOR fanboys are the ones that do not know how to spell CREEDMOOR.
It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
There is nothing wrong with it. But there are other calibers that are very capable. The answer to every rifle question isn't 6.5 creedmoor simply because it's the new "in" thing.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:57:30 PM EST
223
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:00:00 PM EST
Savage in .308. Get the Accu-trigger.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:02:31 PM EST
7mm-08 excellent all around deer cartridge
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:04:31 PM EST
.87
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:04:43 PM EST
A humble suggestion.... take a hard look at the Thompson/Center Compass, in 6.5CM. It's a whole lotta rifle for the coin. 5R threaded barrel, comes with scope mounts, and right now there is a $75 rebate. Mine was right around $220, shipped.

Trigger and bolt smoothness is not the greatest, but it shoots groups so tight I'm afraid y'all might call me a liar if I post numbers. And for about two Benjamins it's almost disposable.

I took mine deer hunting last weekend. Didn't see any, but that's not the rifle's fault
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:05:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 3:08:14 PM EST by AudiDat]
I wanted a new deer rifle last year, so bought one of these in .308
Lightweight, detachable box mag, stainless, guaranteed 1MOA or better accuracy. It's really a pretty nice rifle.

I went with .308 because its a very flexible round, lots of different loads, works for nearly all game types in this country, and you can find ammo for it anywhere...I've seen it in gas stations and hardware stores!
WEll, that and i own lots of other 308 rifles so might as well be consistent.


ETA: Edited to reflect the link to the right rifle...
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:06:36 PM EST
I took many deer and elk with a .270.  It's a fine cartridge for most anything you're likely to hunt, but may be a little light for moose.  I also used a 7mm STW to great effect many years ago and found it a very flat shooting rifle, capable of taking down anything in North America at impressive distances.  I know guys who swear by 308, 7mm-08, 7mm mag, 30-30 and 45-70.  Even met an old guy once who was hunting mule deer with an 375 H&H.  There are a ton of good choices.  People have been hunting effectively for thousands of years without the new cool caliber that is suddenly popular. 
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:07:54 PM EST
3006
Will kill everything from Alligators to Zebra.

Took out a lot of Nat-zi's to.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:09:05 PM EST
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It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
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The only thing funnier than 6.5 CREEDMOOR fanboys are the ones that do not know how to spell CREEDMOOR.
It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
6.5 Swede
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:11:56 PM EST
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6.5 CREADMOARE
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:13:47 PM EST
.308 Savage
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:14:25 PM EST
The old. 243 Winchester is a tried and true deer round.

So is the. 308. And both will be available wherever you find ammo.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:14:34 PM EST
Not sure what a now rifle is. but cant go wrong with .223/.308/6.5creedmore/ in rifles.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:19:09 PM EST
If i was in the market for one,i would give the Savage Mod.11 Hog Hunter a look.
Comes with a great set of iron sights,rare these days. [.308]
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:20:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 3:21:47 PM EST by Troutman84]
Why no .270?

For "mainly deer hunting", it's about the best you're gonna do.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:21:35 PM EST
For well over a century, the answer to "what is the best medium game cartridge in a handy, light-recoiling rifle?" has been simple: 7x57 Mauser (.275 Rigby, if you're a Brit.). Full marks also go to its Viking cousin, the 6.5x55 Swede. They are much of a muchness.

Both are accurate, efficient, economical cartridges that can handle bullets of .300+ sectional density, which makes them astoundingly reliable killers, especially when paired with Nosler Partitions. If there was a 160gr 6.5mm Partition, it would be impossible to choose between the 2; since there is not, a very slight edge goes to the 7x57.

All of these "new" cartridges are merely variably decent copies of what has gone before: utterly unnecessary, superfluous exercises in marketing and vanity.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:32:50 PM EST
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There is nothing wrong with it. But there are other calibers that are very capable. The answer to every rifle question isn't 6.5 creedmoor simply because it's the new "in" thing.
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I spell it right most of the time, but I've also replaced every other large caliber with the 6.5CM, for elk and deer. It's pretty tough to make an argument against it, imo.

To further complicate it, I've replaced two of my .225 barrels on my ARs with 6.5G barrels, making 3 total Grendel rifles now.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:34:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PigBat:
For well over a century, the answer to "what is the best medium game cartridge in a handy, light-recoiling rifle?" has been simple: 7x57 Mauser (.275 Rigby, if you're a Brit.). Full marks also go to its Viking cousin, the 6.5x55 Swede. They are much of a muchness.

Both are accurate, efficient, economical cartridges that can handle bullets of .300+ sectional density, which makes them astoundingly reliable killers, especially when paired with Nosler Partitions. If there was a 160gr 6.5mm Partition, it would be impossible to choose between the 2; since there is not, a very slight edge goes to the 7x57.

All of these "new" cartridges are merely variably decent copies of what has gone before: utterly unnecessary, superfluous exercises in marketing and vanity.
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As a huge 6.5 Swede fan...

Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:37:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:43:36 PM EST
My Savage 10FP shot 0.50 MOA with BTHP Hornady Match. Rifle felt clunky, action sucked.

Dad's 77 Mk2 (discontinued) shot 1 MOA with whatever decent hunting load he was using. Rifle felt GOOD. Ergonomics were great, trigger was just OK (Hawkeye has fixed this apparently) l, and the action was great.

I dislike Savages extractor style.

Out of those two, I would get the Ruger Hawkeye (Not the American)

But I went with a Tikka T3 personally, and in the Savage price range, (Cheaper Remy 748?, Winchesters XP or whatever) Tikka made more sense for me
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:44:24 PM EST
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You misspelled GRENDEL
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:44:52 PM EST
Probably no farther than 250 yards. And tell me why savage over Ruger. Bolt or semi auto? Recoil on 308? Will need scope due to age.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:48:18 PM EST
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You misspelled GRENDEL
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I am fully versed on Grendels
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:55:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 3:56:56 PM EST by Ameshawki]
I have an American in 308 and it does what I ask of it. I'm sure the Savage would as well. I bought the American because my dealer got stiffed on an order and wanted to get rid of it cheap. Any caliber between 243 and 308 will be fine for whitetail. For mule deer I'd maybe go up a notch.

The bolt action hunting rifle is one thing just about all the makers have figured out. Not sure there's a bad one out there.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 4:11:53 PM EST
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I am not a fanboy, i don't own one, so yeah I misspelled it. it is ballistically superior, has low recoil and ammo is now plentiful.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 4:12:54 PM EST
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There is nothing wrong with it. But there are other calibers that are very capable. The answer to every rifle question isn't 6.5 creedmoor simply because it's the new "in" thing.
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I never said to get it because it's the new in thing.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 4:15:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 4:22:15 PM EST by cttb]
I would definitely pick Savage over Ruger. I believe Savage presents a lower chance of getting a rifle that doesn't shoot well. Savages that don't shoot well out of the box are rare. Savage also offers a wider range of options.

Apparently it's not cool anymore, but I think .308 is still a great choice for medium game at medium ranges.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 4:22:50 PM EST
6.5 has a great bullet weight range, and is great for all most animals. The Creedmoor is a nice shooting round with lots of ammo options and excellent ballistics.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 4:26:27 PM EST
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6.5 Swede
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Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44:
Originally Posted By RCC1:
The only thing funnier than 6.5 CREEDMOOR fanboys are the ones that do not know how to spell CREEDMOOR.
It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
6.5 Swede
There's your answer! Who needs some fancy new cartridge when the 6.5 Swede has been killing stuff since 1894!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 4:28:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By richlands55:
Probably no farther than 250 yards. And tell me why savage over Ruger. Bolt or semi auto? Recoil on 308? Will need scope due to age.
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What is your budget, including optics?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 6:14:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2017 6:17:49 PM EST by RoadieWingZ]
.300 BLK ... or 6.5 Kredemower...

ETA: Anesthesia from medikal prosedure still wearing off so pleaz inore the statemint abuv...
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:03:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PigBat:
For well over a century, the answer to "what is the best medium game cartridge in a handy, light-recoiling rifle?" has been simple: 7x57 Mauser (.275 Rigby, if you're a Brit.). Full marks also go to its Viking cousin, the 6.5x55 Swede. They are much of a muchness.

Both are accurate, efficient, economical cartridges that can handle bullets of .300+ sectional density, which makes them astoundingly reliable killers, especially when paired with Nosler Partitions. If there was a 160gr 6.5mm Partition, it would be impossible to choose between the 2; since there is not, a very slight edge goes to the 7x57.

All of these "new" cartridges are merely variably decent copies of what has gone before: utterly unnecessary, superfluous exercises in marketing and vanity.
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I'd say the only advantage is that they mostly fit in short actions, which are the standard size.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:04:40 AM EST
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As a huge 6.5 Swede fan...

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Originally Posted By PigBat:
For well over a century, the answer to "what is the best medium game cartridge in a handy, light-recoiling rifle?" has been simple: 7x57 Mauser (.275 Rigby, if you're a Brit.). Full marks also go to its Viking cousin, the 6.5x55 Swede. They are much of a muchness.

Both are accurate, efficient, economical cartridges that can handle bullets of .300+ sectional density, which makes them astoundingly reliable killers, especially when paired with Nosler Partitions. If there was a 160gr 6.5mm Partition, it would be impossible to choose between the 2; since there is not, a very slight edge goes to the 7x57.

All of these "new" cartridges are merely variably decent copies of what has gone before: utterly unnecessary, superfluous exercises in marketing and vanity.
As a huge 6.5 Swede fan...

Which sentence was wrong?
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:20:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By muzzled:
Savage in .308. Get the Accu-trigger.
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I'll throw in with you.

Bought a 10FP LE2b (MCM A3) and a Model 12 VLP in 22-250 back in '05 and both are pretty accurate out of the box.

308 Win. ammunition is ubiquitous and comes in many factory loads, it's easy to reload for, is relatively cheap and the round offer long barrel life.

Chris
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:33:12 AM EST
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308
243 (faster twist barrel for up the new 115 gr bullets
260 rem or 6.5 creed (either since they are pretty equal)
7mm rem mag

maybe one of the short magnums...

I really like the Mossberg predator rifle. Takes 308 AR mags which can be had in 5, 10, 20 & 25 rounders. The gun is built like a Savage and uses Savage pattern barrel threads. Nice trigger. Wish I could justify a 308 and maybe use it to build a 260 Remington down the road...
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:43:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RoadieWingZ:
.300 BLK ... or 6.5 Kredemower...

ETA: Anesthesia from medikal prosedure still wearing off so pleaz inore the statemint abuv...
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Please, go on...

Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:46:47 AM EST
No 30-06, no care. 30-06 fer lyfe.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 12:56:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2017 12:57:41 AM EST by crashburnrepeat]
What's your budget?

I have been *ridiculously* impressed with my Ruger American Predator in .223. If I was on a budget, and wanted the most accurate deer gun that wasn't a pain in the ass to lug around, I'd get a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor, 6mm Creedmoor or .243. All will kill deer and be more accurate than you should expect at 350 and change. They are super light, and apparently impervious to pretty much anything but probably flame. REALLY lightweight.


There's a shitload of good guns in that range now, Ruger Americans, Savage M10/11/12/16, Thompson, even Weatherby Vanguards can be found for under 500 bucks.

Your main decision is what caliber do you want.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 1:16:42 AM EST
Arevwe talking a right now rifle, or a maybe later rifle??
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 9:24:32 AM EST
Meant new rifle. For about the same price savage comes with a scope, ruger don't. Leaning toward a. 308
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 9:30:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2017 9:31:25 AM EST by RePp]
Any semi modern cartridge with decent ammo will work fine and out to 300 yards and you wont see any difference. Pick one and enjoy. Also buy a Tikka.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 9:37:28 AM EST
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There's your answer! Who needs some fancy new cartridge when the 6.5 Swede has been killing stuff since 1894!
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Originally Posted By BURN:
Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44:
Originally Posted By RCC1:
The only thing funnier than 6.5 CREEDMOOR fanboys are the ones that do not know how to spell CREEDMOOR.
It's a fantastic cartridge, which is gaining popularity very quickly. What's your problem with people who like it?
6.5 Swede
There's your answer! Who needs some fancy new cartridge when the 6.5 Swede has been killing stuff since 1894!
6.5x55 is always the answer.

Fact.






Unless you're a short-action heathen.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 9:39:31 AM EST
I'm required to tell you of the awesomeness of the .270 Winchester especially from a classic bolt action

however though the .30-06 is never wrong, nor is the .308, 7mm-08, 7x57, .260 Remington, .243 Win, 6.5x55, or the current fad of the week but actually really capable 6.5 Creedmoor
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