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Posted: 8/28/2013 9:54:42 AM EDT
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Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV?
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How long until the Mega Advanced Super Hornet comes out?
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:00:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mattl:
Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV F35?
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Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:01:32 AM EDT
"low-cost "?????????????????
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Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV F35?



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You understand the main limiting factor in a fighter is the on-board pilot yes? "Flying pred" should be done with drones or UCAVs.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:04:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Element94:
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When the air frame is that long in the tooth (old) is does get cheaper.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:11:01 AM EDT
When are they hitting the fleet?
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:12:19 AM EDT
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Super King Kamehameha Hornet.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:16:09 AM EDT
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Airplane performance is not limited just by pilot tolerance. Not by a long shot. Besides that, that hard turning, afterburners burning dogfight is a tiny corner of the operations envelope, and it's getting smaller.


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You just justified my argument indirectly.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 10:59:00 AM EDT
I can see where the EF-18G fleet would be in line for those conformal fuel tanks. Free up more pylons for HARM missiles in place of external fuel tanks to make it more lethal to enemy air defenses.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:03:13 AM EDT
Super duper ultra jefe grand mal assraping hyper double plus good mega bug.

I like it for its simplicity.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:06:27 AM EDT
That plane is well-hung.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:10:14 AM EDT
When the pilots of Mega Force are trained and ready


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Originally Posted By CBags04:
How long until the Mega Advanced Super Hornet comes out?
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Anyone else catch the comment about the landing?

"Beautiful landing! Like a butterfly with sore feet"

Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:12:37 AM EDT
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so ... which part were you responsible for?
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:15:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AeroE:

You have no idea of what you're claiming.

Airplane performance is not limited just by pilot tolerance. Not by a long shot. Besides that, that hard turning, afterburners burning dogfight is a tiny corner of the operations envelope, and it's getting smaller.

As for the cost, don't worry, the Pentagon will dictate the price and the profit if such an airplane was put into production. NOT what the market will bear.

Don't hold your breathe waiting on the Great Takeover of Unmanned Air Vehicles That Replace Every Airplane Carrying a Person, you'll turn blue.


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Just on an aside.

What do you think of the feasibility of the squire/knight model. Where the UAV's are used with Piloted craft to carry additional ordnance, and are linked into his avionics so that its seemless to him.

The pilot gets alerted if he OR the drones have a firing solution and the Pilot presses the button, the weapon is released by the craft (either the Pilot/Knight or the UAV/squire) with the best chance of destroying the enemy as determined by the software.

It seems like a plausible way to bolster our manned combat fleet without going whole hat into the ethical territory of autonomous platforms firing weapons without a man in the loop.

I've heard it discussed that the technical difficulty in the avionics of getting the Drones to maintain formation based on the manned aircraft are less thorny then the latency speed of light issues that crop up with distant remote pilots.

Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:16:11 AM EDT
Fuck that plane. Bring back the F-14 Tomcat!
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:16:40 AM EDT
what's the new top speed? clearly that's a larger frontal area presenting itself to airflow
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:17:31 AM EDT
I'd like to see what an advanced cockpit is like with modern technology. I'm betting the ability to get information to the pilot in a readily processable way is by far more important than the amount of gees it can pull.

I'd also like to understand its capabilities with passive sensors. Do they could tap into the 9x sensors or have its own on-board IR sensor suite?

Can it land with AMRAAMS on all 10 (11?) weapon stations?
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:18:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By danpass:

so ... which part were you responsible for?
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so ... which part were you responsible for?


He makes all the pointy bits pointy. Cutting edge, even.

He leaves the round bits to Union labor/outsourcing to some guy named Bob in Dayton, OH.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:19:48 AM EDT
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None, directly. I worked on the production F-18 for exactly 30 days in 1992, worked on the HARV a little about '89, and salvaged some parts while I was a co-op in '82. There are no doubt parts on there that contain evolutions from other jobs I've worked, but I don't know the extent.



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Originally Posted By AeroE:

so ... which part were you responsible for?


None, directly. I worked on the production F-18 for exactly 30 days in 1992, worked on the HARV a little about '89, and salvaged some parts while I was a co-op in '82. There are no doubt parts on there that contain evolutions from other jobs I've worked, but I don't know the extent.





Yep. A super POINTY version of the F-18.

Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:20:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Katana16j:
Just on an aside.

What do you think of the feasibility of the squire/knight model. Where the UAV's are used with Piloted craft to carry additional ordnance, and are linked into his avionics so that its seemless to him.

The pilot gets alerted if he OR the drones have a firing solution and the Pilot presses the button, the weapon is released by the craft (either the Pilot/Knight or the UAV/squire) with the best chance of destroying the enemy as determined by the software.

It seems like a plausible way to bolster our manned combat fleet without going whole hat into the ethical territory of autonomous platforms firing weapons without a man in the loop.

I've heard it discussed that the technical difficulty in the avionics of getting the Drones to maintain formation based on the manned aircraft are less thorny then the latency speed of light issues that crop up with distant remote pilots.

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Look up the term "forward air controller" it's nothing new.


Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:24:33 AM EDT
The Super Hornet is a fantastic aircraft, especially when you consider all you get for the money invested. It is the least expensive, advanced multi-role non 5th generation fighter aircraft the western world has to offer. The conformal fuel tanks have addressed the short legs issue. Now it just needs the EPE engines to give the damn thing some acceleration. A carrier air wing composed of advanced Super Hornets, the F-35 and whatever the production variant of the X-47B ends up as will pose a most formidable threat for any potential opponent.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:25:39 AM EDT
Can't see the link right now.

If they put Camaro tail lights on it like they did to the new Vette, I'm gonna be pissed!




Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:26:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TangledThorns:
Fuck that plane. Bring back the F-14 Tomcat!
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...and the battleships!



So, is this the HyperHornet?
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:28:02 AM EDT
I'd like to know more about that weapon pod.
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I'd like to know more about that weapon pod.
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I sounds like an externally mounted internal weapons bay . It hides weapons from radar and is probably cheaper than putting a stealth shell on each individual weapon.



Link Posted: 8/28/2013 11:34:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Katana16j:

Just on an aside.

What do you think of the feasibility of the squire/knight model. Where the UAV's are used with Piloted craft to carry additional ordnance, and are linked into his avionics so that its seemless to him.

The pilot gets alerted if he OR the drones have a firing solution and the Pilot presses the button, the weapon is released by the craft (either the Pilot/Knight or the UAV/squire) with the best chance of destroying the enemy as determined by the software.

It seems like a plausible way to bolster our manned combat fleet without going whole hat into the ethical territory of autonomous platforms firing weapons without a man in the loop.

I've heard it discussed that the technical difficulty in the avionics of getting the Drones to maintain formation based on the manned aircraft are less thorny then the latency speed of light issues that crop up with distant remote pilots.

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Missile and bomb caddies seem like they'd have a lot of advantages.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 12:11:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TangledThorns:
Fuck that plane. Bring back the F-14 Tomcat!
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The F-14 was a platform to carry the Phoenix missile which was never updated or replaced and IIRC is out of service. The Phoenix's task was killing bombers at extreme range.
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It looks like a fat chick.
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I'd ride that fat chick.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:45:04 PM EDT
So how hard would it be to give it thrust vectoring? That would be a Super Duper Bug.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:46:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Matt_The_Hokie:
So how hard would it be to give it thrust vectoring? That would be a Super Duper Bug.
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Does it actually need thrust-vectoring? The latest generation of AAMs seem to make that unnecessary in non-stealthy aircraft.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:47:42 PM EDT
I guess every little bit helps on a crowded flight or hangar deck, but with relatively small amount of the wing folding on the bugs and super bugs, I wonder if it's worth the added complexity and weight to have the folding mechanism at all.
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Originally Posted By Matt_The_Hokie:
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Super Duper Bug has main and tail rotors.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:49:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Matt_The_Hokie:
I'd ride that fat chick.
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Originally Posted By Matt_The_Hokie:
I'd ride that fat chick.


Oh yeah - built for comfort right there...
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they sure made it uglier :)
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they sure made it uglier :)
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Fat chicks need lovin' too.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:56:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
I guess every little bit helps on a crowded flight or hangar deck, but with relatively small amount of the wing folding on the bugs and super bugs, I wonder if it's worth the added complexity and weight to have the folding mechanism at all.
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Yes.
On the Superhornet the wing length is 44.7 feet spread, 32.6 feet folded.
Take 32.6 from 44.7 and you get 12.1 feet.
You can now put 4 Superhornets with the wings folded in the same space as three Superhornets with the wings spread.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:57:21 PM EDT
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Conformal fuel tanks?
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Didn't read the linked article that AeroE posted I see.
Link Posted: 8/28/2013 2:57:58 PM EDT
seems like the weapons pod would cut down on the payload the hornet can carry?
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seems like the weapons pod would cut down on the payload the hornet can carry?
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It looks like the pylons can be put back on for more conventional payloads

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It looks like the pylons can be put back on for more conventional payloads
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
seems like the weapons pod would cut down on the payload the hornet can carry?

It looks like the pylons can be put back on for more conventional payloads


If you're flying "stealth" you're going to carry your weapon of choice in the pod.
If you're a bomb truck you remove the stealth pod and hang the regular pylons.
It's all explained in the video.
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FWIW, the last F18 order came in early and under-budget.
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