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Posted: 1/28/2014 4:10:30 AM EDT
FOX spending a lot of time explaining that there is a fee built into Obamacare to fund abortion. Never would have thought this would happen......

Secret abortion fees hidden in ObamaCare premiums, lawmakers say
Published January 27, 2014
watchdog.org


Insurance companies working under the Obamacare umbrella have secretly added a surcharge to cover the cost of abortions, an apparent violation of federal law that forbids the practice, congressional leaders charge.

Consumers signing up for insurance in an Obamacare exchange won't find a single sentence telling them that they will pay at least $1 a month to fund abortions.Per FOX News...
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Originally Posted By para_frame:
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Google.com
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:24:55 AM EDT
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Since the Fox News article and the OP cite Watchdog.org, here's a link to that (searching Watchdog didn't turn it up and the Fox News link is broken):

The original article at Watchdog.org has more information.

ETA:

This article at the Heritage Foundation contains still more information.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:27:34 AM EDT
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  



Money is fungible.




There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.






Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:27:42 AM EDT
Well bless their hearts.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:33:37 AM EDT
I'm not sure why anyone is really surprised.   Since when has he done something that is ethical or with the consideration of the legal process?
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Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.


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Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:

Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.



Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.


You say that like it's a bad thing. Humans naturally do this. It's part of natural selection. It will only be a matter of time before conception and fetal development happen outside of a human womb and the fetus' genetics are modified to resist disease and other undesirable abnormalities.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:39:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
I'm not sure why anyone is really surprised.   Since when has he done something that is ethical or with the consideration of the legal process?
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Originally Posted By The_Big_Green_Chile:
You say that like it's a bad thing. Humans naturally do this. It's part of natural selection. It will only be a matter of time before conception and fetal development happen outside of a human womb and the fetus' genetics are modified to resist disease and other undesirable abnormalities.
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Sigh.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:

Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.



Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.



Question:

If I (or my partner) has had a genetic disorder in their blood-line, such as Downs (not the case in reality).....and we choose not to reproduce because we don't want to bring a downs person into the world if we can help it (to prevent their suffering)...........is the Eugenics?  It provides the same result, just no "direct action."

Or what about selecting the most "attractive" mate.....is that eugenics?  

Apparently you want people born into this world with genetic defects just so that we aren't "choosing ourselves."  You like the thought of "random chance" rather than being able to prevent your kid from having a genetic defect.....

IMHO, what your propose sounds much like "fairness doctrine" for genetic code.
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Originally Posted By The_Big_Green_Chile:
...... It will only be a matter of time before conception and fetal development happen outside of a human womb and the fetus' genetics are modified to resist disease and other undesirable abnormalities.
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So we will all look like this? Are we a effective team?

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Originally Posted By fla556guy:



Question:

If I (or my partner) has had a genetic disorder in their blood-line, such as Downs (not the case in reality).....and we choose not to reproduce because we don't want to bring a downs person into the world if we can help it (to prevent their suffering)...........is the Eugenics?  It provides the same result, just no "direct action."

Or what about selecting the most "attractive" mate.....is that eugenics?  

Apparently you want people born into this world with genetic defects just so that we aren't "choosing ourselves."  You like the thought of "random chance" rather than being able to prevent your kid from having a genetic defect.....

IMHO, what your propose sounds much like "fairness doctrine" for genetic code.
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.



Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.



Question:

If I (or my partner) has had a genetic disorder in their blood-line, such as Downs (not the case in reality).....and we choose not to reproduce because we don't want to bring a downs person into the world if we can help it (to prevent their suffering)...........is the Eugenics?  It provides the same result, just no "direct action."

Or what about selecting the most "attractive" mate.....is that eugenics?  

Apparently you want people born into this world with genetic defects just so that we aren't "choosing ourselves."  You like the thought of "random chance" rather than being able to prevent your kid from having a genetic defect.....

IMHO, what your propose sounds much like "fairness doctrine" for genetic code.




You've made a quite great leap in equating killing an unborn child with deciding never to become pregnant, and an even greater leap in equating killing an unborn child with marrying the most attractive mate possible.

Do you think it's a good idea to set fire to your house in order to cook the steak in your fridge?  Same result as charring it on the grill, right?

What he proposed is actually simple respect for life.

ETA:  Also, I'd ask you how you feel about the issue in the OP?  Planned Parenthood is getting funding from the government, and that funding is in part made possible by this hidden fee included in the price of something the government forces every American to buy.  Thus, a great many Americans are required by force of law to do something that deeply disturbs their conscience.  Is that OK with you?
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Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.


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Its like demanding the government doesn't spend 'your taxes' on welfare, the military, illegals, green energy, foreign aid, blah blah blah.  It simply does not work like that.
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:


So we will all look like this? Are we a effective team?

http://i.stack.imgur.com/hV8mF.png
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Originally Posted By The_Big_Green_Chile:
...... It will only be a matter of time before conception and fetal development happen outside of a human womb and the fetus' genetics are modified to resist disease and other undesirable abnormalities.


So we will all look like this? Are we a effective team?

http://i.stack.imgur.com/hV8mF.png


I don't plan on being that short.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
I'm not sure why anyone is really surprised.   Since when has he done something that is ethical or with the consideration of the legal process?
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:



Question:

If I (or my partner) has had a genetic disorder in their blood-line, such as Downs (not the case in reality).....and we choose not to reproduce because we don't want to bring a downs person into the world if we can help it (to prevent their suffering)...........is the Eugenics?  It provides the same result, just no "direct action."

Or what about selecting the most "attractive" mate.....is that eugenics?  

Apparently you want people born into this world with genetic defects just so that we aren't "choosing ourselves."  You like the thought of "random chance" rather than being able to prevent your kid from having a genetic defect.....

IMHO, what your propose sounds much like "fairness doctrine" for genetic code.
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.



Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.



Question:

If I (or my partner) has had a genetic disorder in their blood-line, such as Downs (not the case in reality).....and we choose not to reproduce because we don't want to bring a downs person into the world if we can help it (to prevent their suffering)...........is the Eugenics?  It provides the same result, just no "direct action."

Or what about selecting the most "attractive" mate.....is that eugenics?  

Apparently you want people born into this world with genetic defects just so that we aren't "choosing ourselves."  You like the thought of "random chance" rather than being able to prevent your kid from having a genetic defect.....

IMHO, what your propose sounds much like "fairness doctrine" for genetic code.

When Margret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) used the term Planned Parenthood and agreed with Eugenics she was referring to:





On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."  Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:

Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Even if you remove the surcharge, it will still happen.  

Money is fungible.

There is no way to avoid this and the notion that it could have been is a scam.



Which is why Planned Abortions er, Planned Parenthood is so successful, when you get funding for women's health services you can afford to support your real goal of Eugenics on the abortion end.


Eugenics is what abortion is all about.
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:


So we will all look like this? Are we a effective team?

http://i.stack.imgur.com/hV8mF.png
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Originally Posted By The_Big_Green_Chile:
...... It will only be a matter of time before conception and fetal development happen outside of a human womb and the fetus' genetics are modified to resist disease and other undesirable abnormalities.


So we will all look like this? Are we a effective team?

http://i.stack.imgur.com/hV8mF.png

Damn, she was hot.
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