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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:08:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2015 7:23:47 PM EDT by chadwimc]
A Jap war rifle. Looks like an end of war type.
A friend said his son brought this home over 40 years ago as a project.
His son passed last year and he was cleaning out "stuff" that triggered memories.
Parents should never have to bury their kids...

Its rusty and I can't get the bolt open. So, in to a bucket of oil it goes...











I was able to get the bolt open. I had one of these as a teenager and seemed to remember something about the knob on the back being a safety. I poked and prodded and pushed and pulled. It turns out the safety was on. Bore looks good for what its been through. I may even trick my neighbor into shooting it... I cleaned a little of the goop off the receiver. It doesn't look like the mum was ground. It has years of crud built up. Is this one stamp a maker's mark?




Link Posted: 4/26/2015 10:14:29 PM EDT
Is the chrysanthemum intact? Please say yes..
Link Posted: 4/26/2015 10:17:05 PM EDT
May I ask how much you paid?

Nice piece. Hopefully it cleans up for you.


Love the older stuff. (Got my first muzzleloader a month ago)
Link Posted: 4/26/2015 10:17:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2015 10:22:16 PM EDT by FrankSymptoms]



If it is intact, it is worth far more that if it isn't.

The Japanese "demilled" their rifles by grinding the chrysanthemum off; they didn't want the Imperial seal to fall into enemy hands.

... it is generally accepted by most historians that the imperial chrysanthemums were ground off the rifles on the orders from General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of occupation forces at that time.
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Well hush mah  mouf.

eta My Dad had an Arisaka bringback; I got some brass from Norma, and reloaded it... used British .303 bullets IIRC... It fired all 20 rounds I (lightly) loaded for it and didn't damage it at all.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 5:05:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Is the chrysanthemum intact? Please say yes..
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I don't think it ever had a mum. It was rough when new...
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 5:07:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Beretta_Jerry:
May I ask how much you paid?

Nice piece. Hopefully it cleans up for you.


Love the older stuff. (Got my first muzzleloader a month ago)
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An elderly friend wanted it out of his house. It reminds him of his son who passed. Just the price of friendship over the last 25 years or so...
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 5:37:30 AM EDT
If the dad is a shooter at all, maybe the thing to do would be go thru that rifle and make it as like new as you can, and gift it back to him as a memory of his son..I would try......
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 6:15:16 AM EDT
Type 99 "last ditch" I see.......very nice. She should have a chrome lined bore and if the bolt matches could make a good shooter.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 6:22:37 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:


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If it is intact, it is worth far more that if it isn't.



The Japanese "demilled" their rifles by grinding the chrysanthemum off; they didn't want the Imperial seal to fall into enemy hands.






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Well hush mah  mouf.



eta My Dad had an Arisaka bringback; I got some brass from Norma, and reloaded it... used British .303 bullets IIRC... It fired all 20 rounds I (lightly) loaded for it and didn't damage it at all.
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:


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If it is intact, it is worth far more that if it isn't.



The Japanese "demilled" their rifles by grinding the chrysanthemum off; they didn't want the Imperial seal to fall into enemy hands.




... it is generally accepted by most historians that the imperial chrysanthemums were ground off the rifles on the orders from General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of occupation forces at that time.


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Well hush mah  mouf.



eta My Dad had an Arisaka bringback; I got some brass from Norma, and reloaded it... used British .303 bullets IIRC... It fired all 20 rounds I (lightly) loaded for it and didn't damage it at all.




 
There is no evidence to suggest MacArthur ordered that, and it generally falls down to "give a fuck."  The Japanese had a reason to give a fuck, but MacArthur didn't.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 7:49:50 AM EDT
Anything with a mum to the Japanese was considered a representation or "property" of the Emperor so they took it upon themselves to remove/grind down the mum themselves.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 8:05:31 AM EDT
That is the best looking "last ditch" I have seen.

I am surprised there is still a cut out on the receiver for the dust cover. Most of those got shitcanned anyway.  They made a lot of noise.

Not sure I would shoot it.  I am  going by reading not actual experience.  The metallurgy was supposed to be iffy on those.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 8:21:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AKSnowRider:
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No...dad gave it away for a reason.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 8:24:03 AM EDT
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No...dad gave it away for a reason.
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Originally Posted By AKSnowRider:
If the dad is a shooter at all, maybe the thing to do would be go thru that rifle and make it as like new as you can, and gift it back to him as a memory of his son..I would try......


No...dad gave it away for a reason.


This.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 8:25:20 AM EDT
Crude as they are, Arisakas are brutally strong actions, far stronger then 98 Mauser or 1914/1917 Enfields.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 9:07:30 AM EDT
Does the bolt number match the rifle OP?
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 6:36:48 AM EDT
Rather than a bucket of oil, I'd do electrolysis instead.

Here's a before and after of a lathe chuck treated to electrolysis.

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After:



Once cleaned up, I'd shoot that puppy.  Probably load some lead bullets for plinking.

Ray
Link Posted: 4/28/2015 7:31:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/28/2015 7:34:27 AM EDT by USMARINE1108]
Nice rifle.  If you're into finding the date/lot of it etc it can be hard with the last ditch rifles, but it can be traced down.  

I'll go out on a limb and say the way it sits right now is pretty much exactly how it left the factory sometime in 44 or 45.

ETA:  I mean it's not "beat up", it was built with corners cut and with crude machining.  See how the stock is 2 pieces (where your cheek goes)?  That's typical of last ditch rifles and many were never issued or used before the end of the war.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:26:47 PM EDT
Well, the action works. Now to dig up some ammo...
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:32:53 PM EDT
That's a damn nice last ditch rifle and the mums intact



Very nice op
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:49:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By chadwimc:
Well, the action works. Now to dig up some ammo...
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Like mentioned earlier, Norma makes (or made) brass for 7.7 Japanese that can be loaded with .303 bullets.  I have loaded and shot the same combo through my Type 99.  I forget what powder I used but it was in the Hornady reloading manual.

If it's a last ditch rifle I wouldn't shoot it but anything made before the writing was on the wall about the end of the Japanese empire I would shoot.
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