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Posted: 9/17/2005 7:33:24 PM EDT
They were saying how the problem with the world today is the Globalists. And the only way to battle Globalism is with Nationalism.

Hmmm.... Nationalism is scary. That's how Hitler came to power... by giving the Germans a strong sense of Nationalism.

With the obivious divide in this country... it could just as easily break Globalist/Nationalist as it can White/Black...

Thoughts?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:35:33 PM EDT
It wasn't just Nationalism that led to the troubles with Nazi Germany.


Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:41:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
It wasn't just Nationalism that led to the troubles with Nazi Germany.


ablecd.wz.cz/darkside/article/nazi-parade-2.jpg



No, it was the conditions imposed upon Germany after they lost a war, that led to the national "moral vaccume" that Hitler filled...

What happens when we get to that point? Are we there now? W. is up there preaching the "one big happily family speech" Folks dig that shit...
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:43:22 PM EDT
If it comes to that, personally i'de join the side of my country.

Read: Country, not politicians.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:45:08 PM EDT
I don't think a Nazi type organization could happen here, but I doubt the Germans thought it could happen there either. I do see globalism as a huge problem, but also one that we can't stop.

The black/white thing I don't see a problem with, meaning I don't think we'll ever have that type of battle. Isolated riots maybe, but not some open warfare deal between people simply over race.


I could be wrong though. It's happened many times before.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:47:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 7:48:07 PM EDT by Cypher214]

Originally Posted By nationwide:
They were saying how the problem with the world today is the Globalists. And the only way to battle Globalism is with Nationalism.

Hmmm.... Nationalism is scary. That's how Hitler came to power... by giving the Germans a strong sense of Nationalism.

With the obivious divide in this country... it could just as easily break Globalist/Nationalist as it can White/Black...

Thoughts?



PLEASE can we just hurry up and get on with it... all this waiting and speculating is getting old.

For once I want a legitimate reason for all the "tactical" and "mil-spec" purchases.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:48:34 PM EDT
Well the US is (generally) full of Nationalism. we've got great national pride. That's what pisses off so many Europeans, they are tending towards Globalism. It's also why so many other countries think of us as arrogant.

But taken to an extreme, yes, Nationalism could lead to tribalism.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:56:23 PM EDT
Well, with the Nazi's you've got a whole slew of issues in the rise. You could write a book. Many have.

Anyway, I think all -ism's are like whiskey. Living without it is bad. Bad bad bad. You need some to be a real honest to god human being. But too much is also bad and you'll wake up with strange things.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:57:57 PM EDT
You can pick up some real crazies on short wave.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:00:13 PM EDT
Nationalism.....

Nationwide......

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:01:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
You can pick up some real crazies on short wave.



What frequencies are you guys listening to? What times?

Bob
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:04:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 8:07:43 PM EDT by nationwide]

Originally Posted By Ky_Bob:

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
You can pick up some real crazies on short wave.



What frequencies are you guys listening to? What times?

Bob



This was on 5850 mHz around 0100 UTC, IIRC...

ETA: They said the transmitter was in Maine, but to QSL to an address in Indiana... trying to Google different calls to see what I come up with...

ETA: Found it... program linky
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:05:47 PM EDT
Part of the reason the Nazis came to power was the extremely weird political structure that allowed the Nazis to co-opt (yes I know, only liberal professors use that word, bite me) enough of the vote to get their foot in the door. There were 4 or 5 major partys that split the vote in Weimer Germany.

Also, the Nazis used a paramilitary organization (SA) to violently obstruct leftists from the polls. Then they got lucky when Hindenberg asked Hitler to be Chancellor.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:06:14 PM EDT
Given that the global economy and the exchange of goods and services across national borders is a fact, those countries that "Try" and protect their home-grown (Efficient or not) industries through prohibitive import fees and tariffs will just get left further and further behind.



Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:12:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
You can pick up some real crazies on short wave.



No worse than what you pick up on cable TV or even free broadcast (ABC,CBS,NBC...)
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:13:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
You can pick up some real crazies on short wave.



No worse than what you pick up on cable TV or even free broadcast (ABC,CBS,NBC...)



True
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:20:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 8:21:06 PM EDT by Ky_Bob]

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By Ky_Bob:

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
You can pick up some real crazies on short wave.



What frequencies are you guys listening to? What times?

Bob



This was on 5850 mHz around 0100 UTC, IIRC...

ETA: They said the transmitter was in Maine, but to QSL to an address in Indiana... trying to Google different calls to see what I come up with...


ETA: Found it... program linky



Thanks, I guess it is time to drag out the Yaesu and hook it back up.

Bob
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:26:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 8:27:27 PM EDT by nationwide]

Originally Posted By Treadhead:
Given that the global economy and the exchange of goods and services across national borders is a fact, those countries that "Try" and protect their home-grown (Efficient or not) industries through prohibitive import fees and tariffs will just get left further and further behind.






But it's always been a global economy, with exception of the years "in between" the wars where the US was isolationist...

No, the Globalism today isn't the marketplace, it's the control of national policy across the different nation-states...

ETA: And the only goal of that flavor of Globalism is to make it easier tomorrow to assume more control and further erode the concept of "national soverignty"
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:54:10 PM EDT

A troubling thought after listening to short wave last night...




You realized that you don't quite have the room for a 160m dipole?



Your SWR is too high?

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:18:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By Treadhead:
Given that the global economy and the exchange of goods and services across national borders is a fact, those countries that "Try" and protect their home-grown (Efficient or not) industries through prohibitive import fees and tariffs will just get left further and further behind.






But it's always been a global economy, with exception of the years "in between" the wars where the US was isolationist...

No, the Globalism today isn't the marketplace, it's the control of national policy across the different nation-states...

ETA: And the only goal of that flavor of Globalism is to make it easier tomorrow to assume more control and further erode the concept of "national soverignty"



Well I'll respectfully disagree NW.

Whatever the aims of individual states are as far as exports go the very fact that a given product is available to whatever percentage of the market is able to access it WILL effect those that attempt to gain political advantage "In-House" by restricting said access.

The genie is out of the bottle, ain't no-one gonna put her back in at this point. You either get competetive or you die.
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