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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:17:16 AM EDT
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He's right. Robots could be doing the repetitive "shit" jobs. Bring on the robot revolution already. I need a GD sex slave!
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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:26:50 AM EDT
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Linky no worky for me...and I'm not turning off my ad blocker for those clowns. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:32:16 AM EDT
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I think this is an older article. The guy is a fucking snowflake. Shit jobs exist, honest work is respectable work, I'm still waiting for technology to solve the world's ills.. 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:37:13 AM EDT
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I think this is an older article. The guy is a fucking snowflake. Shit jobs exist, honest work is respectable work, I'm still waiting for technology to solve the world's ills.. This. If you work for a living I could give a fuck less what you do, as long as you're earning your wages and paying taxes. Nobody wants to be the guy who cleans the potra-shitters at a job site, but you're damn grateful when he shows up. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 7:41:37 AM EDT
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I think this is an older article. The guy is a fucking snowflake. Shit jobs exist, honest work is respectable work, I'm still waiting for technology to solve the world's ills.. I think the topic is interesting mainly because I can see points from both sides of the argument (that "universal basic income" thread a few weeks ago got me thinking about it). I think he's right that a lot of menial, repetitive jobs (and even some that require quite a bit of skill/training) will be going away in a few decades (or less) due to automation. I'm not really sure I see his viewpoint on current times, though. He theorizes that a lot of the "bullshit" jobs of today basically amount to busy work for the sake of busy work (aka a jobs program to keep people employed). I can see that happening in the government sector, but I don't think the private sector is going to be paying people to perform unnecessary jobs. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:00:02 AM EDT
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"Anthropologist" jobs should go away...
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:07:55 AM EDT
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"Anthropologist" jobs should go away... |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:08:11 AM EDT
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Robots aren't going to replace medical and trade skill jobs...
If you are a person who works in retail or manufacturing...or hell...truck driving...may want to steer the kids towards a different profession. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:10:31 AM EDT
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I think the topic is interesting mainly because I can see points from both sides of the argument (that "universal basic income" thread a few weeks ago got me thinking about it). I think he's right that a lot of menial, repetitive jobs (and even some that require quite a bit of skill/training) will be going away in a few decades (or less) due to automation. I'm not really sure I see his viewpoint on current times, though. He theorizes that a lot of the "bullshit" jobs of today basically amount to busy work for the sake of busy work (aka a jobs program to keep people employed). I can see that happening in the government sector, but I don't think the private sector is going to be paying people to perform unnecessary jobs. You've obviously never worked for a large corporation. 90% of jobs amount to justifying their own existence. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:11:15 AM EDT
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Anyone looking to bring back jobs in this country can do it with one simple thing.
Kill the internet. 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:15:45 AM EDT
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Probably 90% of the non-productive "jobs" in the US are either government jobs (Federal, state, or local)---or they are jobs created to satisfy those governments.
Hopefully, when Trump makes America great again, many of those jobs will cease to exist---dumping more on the unemployment/welfare gravy train. Congress and the courts willing (pretty unlikely), he will eliminate that free ride as well. If your job is not directly supporting the production of something that is of value to the end user, it should be under scrutiny for elimination. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:22:58 AM EDT
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sociologist < psychologist < anthropologist < Walmart greater
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:40:59 AM EDT
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"This looks like something I can't do for myself. I think I need an anthropologist." Said no one, ever.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:45:42 AM EDT
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Security
Didn't have hardly any of it back in the day, now? My two drink tickets at the company Christmas party were handed out by a team of armed guards. 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:52:57 AM EDT
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I don't agree with this guy for the most part, but there are millions of jobs that shouldn't exist and they are all about non-productive bullshit. Compliance guy. Safety guy. Tax guy. These are jobs that don't actually produce anything, they just exist to make government happy and they are a HUGE drain on the economy. Big corporations waste an elephant ass load of money on these things. It's a "cost of doing business" that shouldn't be. If you're in the car business, your job should be directly related to making cars or selling cars...Not shuffling papers for a government agency. And speaking of gov agencies, fire at least 50% of those clowns as well.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:54:27 AM EDT
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He left out 90% of government workers. Otherwise, yeah.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 8:57:32 AM EDT
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You've obviously never worked for a large corporation. 90% of jobs amount to justifying their own existence. This! AND, sticking knives in the backs of coworkers who might show them up. TC |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:02:20 AM EDT
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There are too many un-needed professors......right professor?
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:09:25 AM EDT
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Probably 90% of the non-productive "jobs" in the US are either government jobs (Federal, state, or local)---or they are jobs created to satisfy those governments. Hopefully, when Trump makes America great again, many of those jobs will cease to exist---dumping more on the unemployment/welfare gravy train. Congress and the courts willing (pretty unlikely), he will eliminate that free ride as well. If your job is not directly supporting the production of something that is of value to the end user, it should be under scrutiny for elimination. Yep. Last shutdown ~95% of the Fed.gov jobs were non-essential and furloughed. WTF do we have so many non-essential people on the payroll? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:14:26 AM EDT
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Directionally, he's 100% correct....unfortunately, he also left his own job off the list.
It'll take a little while, but it won't be long before skilled jobs are also automated. The safest jobs in America right now are ones that teach the skills of the role in vocational school. There is no way to automate an electrician, plumber, or HVAC guy. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:14:46 AM EDT
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But that transition may be tough since work is an important part of American culture, and wealth redistribution often comes in the form of higher taxes. All I need to know about the article and it's writer. "I don't want to work, but I want the same rewards as someone who does work. " |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:17:52 AM EDT
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The world needs ditch diggers.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:19:02 AM EDT
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Probably 90% of the non-productive "jobs" in the US are either government jobs (Federal, state, or local)---or they are jobs created to satisfy those governments. Hopefully, when Trump makes America great again, many of those jobs will cease to exist---dumping more on the unemployment/welfare gravy train. Congress and the courts willing (pretty unlikely), he will eliminate that free ride as well. Very unlikely. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:30:55 AM EDT
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There are too many un-needed professors......right professor? JHC you have no idea how right you are... |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:33:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:36:00 AM EDT
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"This looks like something I can't do for myself. I think I need an anthropologist." Said no one, ever. Not entirely true. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:36:47 AM EDT
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The country would be better off without lawyers. Simplify laws and court systems and eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
Tort reform baby! |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:37:58 AM EDT
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Probably 90% of the non-productive "jobs" in the US are either government jobs (Federal, state, or local)---or they are jobs created to satisfy those governments. Hopefully, when Trump makes America great again, many of those jobs will cease to exist---dumping more on the unemployment/welfare gravy train. Congress and the courts willing (pretty unlikely), he will eliminate that free ride as well. If your job is not directly supporting the production of something that is of value to the end user, it should be under scrutiny for elimination. I'm pretty sure trumps goals don't include increasing unemployment and joblessness.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:39:35 AM EDT
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The economy would be a lot better off if the legions of people whose entire careers center in ensuring compliance with some asinine government regulation could instead work and build or produce something
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:39:58 AM EDT
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I think the topic is interesting mainly because I can see points from both sides of the argument (that "universal basic income" thread a few weeks ago got me thinking about it). I think he's right that a lot of menial, repetitive jobs (and even some that require quite a bit of skill/training) will be going away in a few decades (or less) due to automation. I'm not really sure I see his viewpoint on current times, though. He theorizes that a lot of the "bullshit" jobs of today basically amount to busy work for the sake of busy work (aka a jobs program to keep people employed). I can see that happening in the government sector, but I don't think the private sector is going to be paying people to perform unnecessary jobs. What he has described is 99% of government workers at the state and federal level. Private industry culls the weak from the heard pretty regularly. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:42:07 AM EDT
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Yep. Last shutdown ~95% of the Fed.gov jobs were non-essential and furloughed. WTF do we have so many non-essential people on the payroll? Really? The .gov came to a complete fucking halt and nothing got done. It cost more to restart and play catch-up more than anything else. The sequestrations were nothing more than political grandstanding and posturing. Essential jobs? They furloughed the guy that drives the forklift, ships/receives the freight, the IT guy, the safety and HAZMAT guy. So when the computer system went down no one was there to fix it. When the truck driver showed up to pick-up the freight no one was there to drive the forklift. It didn't matter anyways, the guy that ships the freight wasn't there to do the required paperwork and he was the only guy who knew how to fill out the forms and paperwork using the manual system. The safety guy wasn't there to ensure that people were qualified and were wearing the proper safety gear to do the job. The HAZMAT guy wasn't there to ensure that the HAZMAT was packed properly and that the paperwork was filled out correctly. The upshot? The assistant manager, the secretary and the contractor who was there to fuel and clean vehicles ended up taking 4 hours loading a pallet of HAZMAT onto a truck. They managed to damage the cargo, damage the forklift and damage the building in addition to breaking several federal and state laws. The driver didn't know that the freight had been damaged until he pulled into his yard and then realized that the paperwork was incomplete and filled out improperly. It would have taken the people who were on furlough 20 minutes to do the job. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:50:08 AM EDT
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I think the topic is interesting mainly because I can see points from both sides of the argument (that "universal basic income" thread a few weeks ago got me thinking about it). I think he's right that a lot of menial, repetitive jobs (and even some that require quite a bit of skill/training) will be going away in a few decades (or less) due to automation. I'm not really sure I see his viewpoint on current times, though. He theorizes that a lot of the "bullshit" jobs of today basically amount to busy work for the sake of busy work (aka a jobs program to keep people employed). I can see that happening in the government sector, but I don't think the private sector is going to be paying people to perform unnecessary jobs. The private sector does actually do that - in the name of compliance, corporate social responsibility and corporate governance. Those jobs probably don't add much shareholder value, but they must have them due to politics/regulations. I work for a $30 billion/year revenue firm and we have a "Diversity and Inclusion" officer as an executive position. You can figure out what that means. And that's just one example, I could probably find many more. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:51:33 AM EDT
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He's right. Robots could be doing the repetitive "shit" jobs. Bring on the robot revolution already. I need a GD sex slave! 13'er to the max. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:53:06 AM EDT
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Anthropologists should get a real job.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:55:47 AM EDT
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This article is about an epidemic that is already known to the skilled managers and execs.
A lot of middle management is nothing but padding. High paid do-nothing's. They make the internal business newsletters, forward emails to the whole site, put their name on everything they can, etc. Disgusting to see when they come down on the blue collars that actually get all the shit done. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:56:52 AM EDT
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You've obviously never worked for a large corporation. 90% of jobs amount to justifying their own existence. This. People are bidding the point of article. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:59:27 AM EDT
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This. If you work for a living I could give a fuck less what you do, as long as you're earning your wages and paying taxes. Nobody wants to be the guy who cleans the potra-shitters at a job site, but you're damn grateful when he shows up. Some or those shit jobs make GOOD money. No one wants to haul, service, clean, repair Portable Toilets. It is literally a shit jobs. But the guy thag does.... usually runs his own business and makes good profit because he's willing to get elbow deep and shit and do the jobs other folks are too dainty to do. I respect the hell out of a number of folks that work menial jobs. Some have attitudes that they deserve better. But some don't and do it with pride and understand that they can either rise up or take it for what it is and expand it. My first job other than working for my Abuelo was working at Eckerd's Drugs as a stock boy. I stocked shelves and wrangled shopping carts as a teenager. I rose up the ranms to be a shift manager. Was damn proud of that as a kid. But then just as now.... some don't want to work hard and instead want stuff given to them. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:02:37 AM EDT
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What he has described is 99% of government workers at the state and federal level. Private industry culls the weak from the heard pretty regularly. Not with the current 'discrimination' laws and tax code for a 'diverse' workforce. Get rid of those laws and watch productively go off the current charts. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:07:13 AM EDT
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Any job that has "Facilitator" in its title should be immediately eliminated.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:07:25 AM EDT
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"middle management" being unnecessary always makes me chuckle. We've all had supervisors or managers who themselves were ineffective or incompetent, no question about that.
But if anything the positions are becoming even more critical than in the past. The push for everyone to go to college, the gutting of apprenticeships and trade schools, the shift from teaching critical thinking to everyone graduates whatever it takes, global competitive price pressure and increased automation... All these things have lead us to a point that it may not matter what Trump does to increase domestic manufacturing. Whether it's tariffs or Reagan like spending or rebuilding the military, the biggest problem manufactures like me are going to have is finding the competent people capable of working even semi independently from the crop of window lickers currently available. They need hand holding. Mark my words, if half of the things that I think are going to happen after January actually come to pass, welders and machinists and electro mechanical techs and automation techs etc etc will be able to pick and choose from a host of companies competing against each other to recruit them. I've tried to run lean when it comes to supervisors. It works in the short term. Over the long term it is detrimental as employees inevitably drift away from following procedures and begin treating each other like they are in high school again because no one is watching. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:10:13 AM EDT
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This article is about an epidemic that is already known to the skilled managers and execs. A lot of middle management is nothing but padding. High paid do-nothing's. They make the internal business newsletters, forward emails to the whole site, put their name on everything they can, etc. Disgusting to see when they come down on the blue collars that actually get all the shit done. My coworker and I have talked about the money and hassle that would be saved if they gut a majority of what we call the front office at our shop. They really serve no purpose except to answer calls and pass on all the work to myself and my coworker. Plus they get involved in things we are working on causing more problems and a waste of money and time all because they had an idea when they were on the shitter and think they know how to our jobs better then we do, even if they never got their hands dirty in their life. They kinda look down upon blue collar workers even though we are the ones making the money for the place and think their shit don't stink as they are fresh out of college. A few were shocked to find out that I have a Masters degree yet I am doing blue collar work, I know what the future is bringing and I truly love what I am doing and could never be a cubicle monkey like them. Hell, work is paying me to do my job and do online classes for free and I will be one of the few if only at the shop know how to set up,design,and work on the new tech that they plan on rolling out. When my son is older I'm going to try to push him to the STEM and try to get a trade job as that where the money is and one of the few things that really can't be replaced by automation. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:18:42 AM EDT
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"Anthropologist" jobs should go away... London School of Economics should go away (Fabian Society founded) |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:20:24 AM EDT
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The country would be better off without lawyers. Simplify laws and court systems and eliminate frivolous lawsuits. Tort reform baby! AI robots. Equality. No robot activism. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:31:12 AM EDT
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Yep!! Totally agree!
However, the bullshit jobs are 85-90% of the Federal, State, and local governments that produce absolutely NOTHING of use. What they do 'produce' (crap regulations, over bearing taxes, general bureaucratic horse dung) usually effects the country adversely! KTA |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:32:40 AM EDT
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I think this is an older article. The guy is a fucking snowflake. Shit jobs exist, honest work is respectable work, I'm still waiting for technology to solve the world's ills.. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:33:37 AM EDT
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Not with the current 'discrimination' laws and tax code for a 'diverse' workforce. Get rid of those laws and watch productively go off the current charts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What he has described is 99% of government workers at the state and federal level. Private industry culls the weak from the heard pretty regularly. Not with the current 'discrimination' laws and tax code for a 'diverse' workforce. Get rid of those laws and watch productively go off the current charts. Anti-discrimination laws make it much harder in the private sector but not impossible. For a while I was an operations manager at a very large bank, I can tell you it is possible to cull the heard. We had two methods, one was to document EVERYTHING performance related and if you fell below the line you were cut or we would just move people to a group the was going to be eliminated and then let nature take its course. Now I work on federal contracts for Health and Human Services. HHS could run just fine with a 90% staff reduction if it were allowed. Under the Obama administration he turned the federal workforce into just another welfare program. It is massively bloated and lets just say that the demographics don't exactly line up to reflect the American landscape. God forbid you try to put process imporovements and efficiencies in place, you will have administrators all over your ass. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:35:54 AM EDT
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In the IT world, we have seen, and continue to see high paying jobs done away with through automation. This happened to system administrators when compute went to VMs. It is happening in my area, networking, with SDN, movement to cloud, etc. I'm transitioning to an Information Security role.
What do people do for income when there are more people than jobs? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:37:25 AM EDT
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I agree in part. I think busy-work jobs have value in that they keep people's minds occupied and also in not conditioning people to expect handouts for doing nothing (which is one of the arguments against UBI) and this will become more apparent in the future as AI and automation make further inroads into the labor force.
There is also something he didn't mention, and that is that there are also huge inefficiencies in the private sector and especially in academia related to social justice nonsense: hiring unqualified minorities merely to fend off accusations of racism for example, and identity-related studies departments and curriculum requirements at universities. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:51:16 AM EDT
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The private sector does actually do that - in the name of compliance, corporate social responsibility and corporate governance. Those jobs probably don't add much shareholder value, but they must have them due to politics/regulations. I work for a $30 billion/year revenue firm and we have a "Diversity and Inclusion" officer as an executive position. You can figure out what that means. And that's just one example, I could probably find many more. it means "stack HR with obese minority females, who then only hire obese minority females for all positions regardless of qualifications." BTDT. Bonus if you can hire a lesbian minority foreign-born female. "OMG, that checks FOUR diversity boxes!! We're so inclusive!!" They don't see the irony. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:53:51 AM EDT
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Anyone looking to bring back jobs in this country can do it with one simple thing.Kill the internet. Killing the Internet would cause the lose of a number of jobs. Aside from content creators and techs that keep it running, what happens when all of the other employees are no longer distracted. That's right, they become more productive and suddenly you don't need five people to work in accounts receivable because three people can get that work done now. 
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