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Posted: 12/21/2003 3:54:07 PM EDT
In 1956, the visionary architect Frank Lloyd Wright sketched out plans for The Illinois (right), a mile-high skyscraper that would accommodate 100,000 people, parking for 15,000 cars and enough office space to house the entire state government

Link Posted: 12/21/2003 4:02:34 PM EDT
The FLW design is surely better looking than that POS that was revealed yesterday.  The main problem is that Wright was a piss poor structural engineer; clueless, in fact.
Link Posted: 12/21/2003 4:06:04 PM EDT
why not replace it with the same thing? ..except make the twin towers even bigger?
Link Posted: 12/21/2003 4:24:41 PM EDT
In 1956...enough office space to house the entire state government
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Ha!  Now it would only be room enough to house 10% of a single department of the state government!z
Link Posted: 12/21/2003 4:53:55 PM EDT
How about building a gun shop on the site?
Link Posted: 12/21/2003 5:07:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tivoli410:
why not replace it with the same thing? ..except make the twin towers even bigger?
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That would get my vote, only add some structural safety changes.
Link Posted: 12/21/2003 5:28:47 PM EDT
The trouble is going to be finding people who will work 100+ stories up in the sky.  
Link Posted: 12/21/2003 6:06:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AeroE:
The FLW design is surely better looking than that POS that was revealed yesterday.  The main problem is that Wright was a piss poor structural engineer; clueless, in fact.
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I usually like the FLW designs- we have a few of his houses in town here.

But what about the engineering in his Imperial Hotel?? It survived a large earthquake in Japan. His new design held up while most of the surrounding building didn't. Or was the hotel not soley his design??
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 4:35:02 AM EDT
I think they should replace the towers with twin ICBM silos.

And in the interest of diversity and multi-culturalism, point them at Mecca.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 5:42:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stipilot:
I think they should replace the towers with twin ICBM silos.

And in the interest of diversity and multi-culturalism, point them at Mecca.
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Best suggestion yet.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 9:52:35 AM EDT
Frank Lloyd Wright never built a building whose roof didn't leak.   Fallingwaters is a structural mess.  The art of building over a waterfall was more important to him than the engineering difficulties of dealing with that much moisture.  It is costing more to repair the moisture related damage than it cost to build the building in the first place.
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 10:06:04 AM EDT
[img]http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/WTC-finger.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 12/22/2003 10:19:56 AM EDT
Something elegant yet powerful that embodies the memories of those that died and served at Ground Zero, whatever that may be. Oh yeah, and it must have a gourmet BBQ restaraunt in the lobby that specializes in pork dishes.
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Link Posted: 12/22/2003 10:43:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AeroE:
The FLW design is surely better looking than that POS that was revealed yesterday.  The main problem is that Wright was a piss poor [red]structural engineer[/red]; clueless, in fact.
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First: he was an ARCHITECT not a Structural engineer and despite that he was a BRILLIANT Structural engineer (for the time) and pushed for new building technologies.

Some times innovators are miss understood, He Pioneered reinforced concrete, you have NO idea what you are talking about.

Johnston wax building is all I have to say.


[url]http://www.peterbeers.net/interests/flw_rt/Wisconsin/johnson_wax/johnson_wax.htm[/url]The ceiling and roof are supported by these large "lily pad" columns that start at a slender 9" at the bottom, and reach 18 feet in diameter at the top.  There are 77 of them that hold the building up.  The famous story about them was that the original building committee wouldn't grant Wright a permit to build the structure because they didn't think the columns could support the weight.  They determined that each column must support 12 tons in order to safely support the building.  Wright was disgusted by their lack of confidence and foresight and decided that a public demonstration was called for.  He constructed one of the columns and then invited the entire building committee along with the press to witness the demonstration of strength.  He even hired an orchestra to play while the demonstration went on.  His plan was to pile at least 12 tons of weight on the column and continue adding weight until the column collapsed.  His little demonstration payed off.  The column was able to support more than 60 tons of sand before it finally collapsed.... more than 5 times the weight that it was required to.  Needless to say he got the building permit.
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Please refrain from talking out your ass



Link Posted: 12/22/2003 10:52:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By icemanat95:
Frank Lloyd Wright [red]never[/red] built a building whose roof didn't leak.   Fallingwaters is a structural mess.  The art of building over a waterfall was more important to him than the engineering difficulties of dealing with that much moisture.  It is costing more to repair the moisture related damage than it cost to build the building in the first place.
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he built 1 or 2 that leaked 30-40 years after they were built. fallingwater was built in 1930 and is over 74 years old.
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