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Posted: 11/29/2014 12:35:20 AM EDT
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:36:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
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Why do they wear useless "armor" also?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:38:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
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Storm troopers weren't clones.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:39:00 AM EDT
For the first two movies they hit what they were supposed to...

After that lucas is an idiot with story telling.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:39:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
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They are copies of him physically - but they don't have the years of training and experience of the original.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:40:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:


Storm troopers weren't clones.
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


This, big difference between "clone troopers" and "stormtroopers".

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:44:22 AM EDT
Nature vs nurture.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:44:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:


Storm troopers weren't clones.
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.



Some were, some were not - the original clones were part of the newly-formed Stormtroopers, along with non-clone recruits.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:45:47 AM EDT
they were blind the whole time






Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:47:32 AM EDT
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That would actually make sense.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:47:36 AM EDT
They're just the inept Nazis from the Indiana Jones movies dressed in white plastic.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:47:53 AM EDT
Should have cloned Jerry Miculek, but then Episode IV would have been about 10 minutes and there wouldn't have been a V and VI.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:48:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:


Storm troopers weren't clones.
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:49:53 AM EDT
It was all planned.... every missed shot.
Prepare to be educated
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:51:44 AM EDT
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Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect
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Originally Posted By matt58:
Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect



That is basically correct. The clones made up the "Grand Army of the Republic", but when it morphed i to the Empire, the clone "GAR" became the imperial stormtroopers. However, new non-clone human recruits also became stormtroopers, but they were considered "inferior", which probably explains the piss-poor shooting.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:52:27 AM EDT
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It was all planned.... every missed shot.
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Tried to post this, but I have failed to learn about ar15 force
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:52:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By matt58:


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect
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Originally Posted By matt58:
Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect


If they were the original clones they would be about 50 years old in episode 4. Could explain why they couldn't hit shit.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:52:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By matt58:


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect
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Originally Posted By matt58:
Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect


Pretty much that last part. They stopped getting new clones and just recruited.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:54:11 AM EDT
Two reasons:

1. Vader sensed that Luke Skywalker was his son and strong in the force, and he wanted to turn his son to the dark side.

2. They put a tracking device on the Millenium Falcon so they could track it back to the Rebels.

Vader couldn't achieve any of those objectives, if the Stormtroopers killed Skywalker and his associates. They were ordered not to kill them, but rather drive them back to the Millenium Falcon so they could escape.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 12:56:26 AM EDT
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It was all planned.... every missed shot.
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/thread.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:02:24 AM EDT
Luke said it when he was in disguise as a stormtrooper. He couldn't see shih in the helmet.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:02:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Raider14:
It was all planned.... every missed shot.
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This.

Also consider the opening of TESB, where the Rebs are getting their asses handed to them in a pitched battle.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:03:43 AM EDT
It's like copying a copy... you eventually hit a point of diminished returns.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:04:49 AM EDT
Hear the reason for yourself.

A Stormtroopers Tale

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:04:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:07:03 AM EDT
Some were still clones. It was a status symbol for people of influence. If you had money you could have a platoon of clones of you made for the Empire's army.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:21:16 AM EDT
I think I'm going with the planned incompetency angle.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:28:47 AM EDT
If they were "realistically" masterful and deadly opponents, the franchise would have been over quickly... Like the A-Team.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:46:13 AM EDT
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It was all planned.... every missed shot.
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Sounds just like the Obama administration. They appear to be idiots but in reality they
are carrying out their master plan against their enemies which just happens to be America and its productive citizens.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:48:41 AM EDT
In the last few Karen Travis books, it is not exactly said but some clone troopers show up towards the end of the series and long after order 66 and Jacen Solo's adventure that are accelerated vat grown, and flash-trained instead of trained from birth by a cadre of Mandolorian mercs. Obviously they lack the experience and knowledge the original 1 Million clone troopers had. In that part of the book, the main clone troopers characters make comments to that affect, even asking a "new" clone where and who he trained under. Which was met with silence, as the new clones weren't trained and have no idea what they are talking about. That all said though.. the new JJ Abrams film is supposed to be a completely new reboot of sorts and all that EU stuff from the last 30 years is apparently no longer considered "Cannon" by Lucasarts. Which to be honest kinda ticks me off a tad, as this means no Grand Admiral Thrawn.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 1:48:52 AM EDT
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Storm troopers weren't clones.
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Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


Yep
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:27:28 AM EDT
Imperial troops kicked the shit out of the Rebel on Hoth.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:40:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By KaiK:


If they were the original clones they would be about 50 years old in episode 4. Could explain why they couldn't hit shit.
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Originally Posted By matt58:
Originally Posted By SilverLightning:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Storm troopers weren't clones.


Explain please. The cloners from Kamino based all the clone/Storm troopers off of Jengo Fett by request for a clone army from Master Sifo-Dyas before he was killed by Count Dooko. Once Order 66 was put into play, the clone army was now under the control of the First Galactic Empire. Over time they morphed into the storm troopers I suspect


If they were the original clones they would be about 50 years old in episode 4. Could explain why they couldn't hit shit.


Clones were expensive. Once the Empire was secure, they didn't need clones to fight, so they used conscripts and set up recruitment. The clones all had been genetically altered, and one of the alterations was rapid aging so that they could be fielded faster. The average age of a clone in the field was about 7-8 years old. Based on that aging, it would be safe to assume that the vast majority of clone troopers had died of old age by A New Hope.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:42:21 AM EDT
Bunch of nerds in here.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:45:15 AM EDT
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Bunch of nerds in here.
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Those who live in glass houses shouldn't bang trannies.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:47:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Bunch of nerds in here.
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fuckin right
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:49:36 AM EDT
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Imperial troops kicked the shit out of the Rebel on Hoth.
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Well yeah if there was only one rebel, how could they lose?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:49:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RandomGuy1911A1:


Those who live in glass houses shouldn't bang trannies.
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Bunch of nerds in here.


Those who live in glass houses shouldn't bang trannies.


Well atleast I'm not a nerd.




Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:55:06 AM EDT
You know how sometimes you make a copy of a copy and it's not quite as sharp as, well, the original? Well, that's kind of what happened.

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 3:06:58 AM EDT
Replication errors.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 3:10:46 AM EDT
Poor job satisfaction resulting in apathy resulting in poor aim.
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The storm troopers on the Death Star are all MPs, the ones in the field are the grunts. This perfectly explains the disparity in combat effectiveness.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 3:36:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
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When you make a copy of a copy of a copy.....





Link Posted: 11/29/2014 3:47:18 AM EDT
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Why do they wear useless "armor" also?
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Originally Posted By marksman121:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Why do they wear useless "armor" also?

By that logic all body armor not rated Type IV is useless.


A civilian grade weapons isn't able to penetrate ST armor.
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

By that logic all body armor not rated Type IV is useless.


A civilian grade weapons isn't able to penetrate ST armor.
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Originally Posted By marksman121:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Why do they wear useless "armor" also?

By that logic all body armor not rated Type IV is useless.


A civilian grade weapons isn't able to penetrate ST armor.


And yet a slow moving rock to the chest can drop a stormtrooper...
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And yet a slow moving rock to the chest can drop a stormtrooper...
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Originally Posted By marksman121:
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?


Why do they wear useless "armor" also?

By that logic all body armor not rated Type IV is useless.


A civilian grade weapons isn't able to penetrate ST armor.


And yet a slow moving rock to the chest can drop a stormtrooper...
Wear whatever helmet you want some one cranking you in the head with a 2x4 will still fuck your day up.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 5:38:27 AM EDT
The storm troopers down on the planets hooking and jabbing are grunts.

The storm troopers that miss shots, and run away are back on the ship...pogs.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 5:42:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
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Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:13:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
If Jango Fett was insanely super deadly, and all the clones were clones of him, and all the storm troopers were Jango Fett clones....

Then why can't the damn storm troopers hit anything? Why do they suck at fighting so much?
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They never meant to shoot any of the main characters for a reason. Look at the battle on Hoth and the boarding of the Tantavine IV the Stormtroopers kicked the shit out of the rebels
Don't count that shit on Endor because that's when George Lucas started going full retard.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:24:17 AM EDT
Even on Endor, the Imperials were kicking Ewok ass pretty good until Chewie jacked the AT-ST.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:35:32 AM EDT
How the battle of endor should have happened:

Scene, death star throne room

Emperor: I sense a disturbance in the force...
Vader: I too sense it.
Luke: like.... Tens of thousands of koalas...exploding...
Vader: That is it, exactly.
Luke: Why are stormtroopers massacring koalas?

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